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Apple Integrated Sensing Display?

A Scanner and Screen at the same time

Hi think it's a screen that doubles as a scanner. It's definitely gonna' save a lot of space. It's too big to be a camera aperture. I've suggested something like this to Apple before but they may have work in progress of that already. To add to that since it's a scanner that doesn't have that flourescent (I think every pixel is actually a small cam or scanner) that goes back and forth. It could also scan what you draw on it using your fingers and you can actually get rid of the keyboard. Then that would give birth to the Mac Newton (I don't think they will change that name). It would be better than a touch screen. I think they're gonna add a nice tablet to their line soon.

I would really love to have all that. You heard it here first. Thanks. =)

God bless,
Alvin
applecatholic.com
 
Alvin777 said:
Hi think it's a screen that double as a scanner. It's definitely gonna' save a lot of space. It's too big to be a camera aperture. I've suggested something like this to Apple before but they may have work in progress of that already.

God bless,
Alvin
applecatholic.com
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seems like it could be a good idea. I've noticed on my 15" Powerbook, pieces of paper fit under the screen very nicely. A scanner would be fine with me. But, i really don't want an isight, but it would be cool.
 
Originally Posted by Alvin777
Hi think it's a screen that double as a scanner. It's definitely gonna' save a lot of space. It's too big to be a camera aperture. I've suggested something like this to Apple before but they may have work in progress of that already.

God bless,
Alvin
applecatholic.com
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What about as a hand scanner- for ID verification (place your hand on the screen for it authenticate you)- or fingerprint for your phone/pda?

While we are discussing pie-in-the-sky ideas i think an iPredator invisibility suit would be the business- based on these technologies- easy- the front of the suit shows what the back is filming

Apples- photobooth software would seem to be easily adapted to make a good digital mirror- maybe with the photoshop heal tool it'd be perfect ;)

my post on the patent
 
Umm this isn't new. There It was either 2004 or late 2003 I read an article of a company demoing this tech. It was crappy, it was low res, but it was functional. I call prior art.
 
This is BIIIIIG!!! Can you imagine the possibilities from this in the *near* future?

Just think if you could combine this with some sort of image recognition - place a printed document on the screen and its automatically scanned, converted to real text, images etc and then appear on the desktop as a PDF file!!! Or just stick a sticky on the screen and have it re-appear on the desktop just like ....magic!! :eek:
 
wonderkid said:
Furthermore, in 1991 I was involved in promoting a prototype display technology developed at Imperial College here in London based upon an Optical Waveguide.
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Since you seem to know a bit about the subject, do you think it would be possible, as suggested above, to include a 128x32 area of the screen which contains this technology, and what kind of definition could we expect from such a device ?
 
3-D video conferencing!!!!

With cameras spread out thoughout the display, video conferencing will be amazing! You will be able to make eye contact with the person you are talking to! Not just kind-of.

And... if the software tracks your eyes, and the person you are talking to has an "iVid" too, you will be able to move your head and look behind them... or around the room on the other side, or whatever. It will be like those holograms... but in full HD color!!!
 
Kelmon said:
The current integrated iSight at the top of the display helps with this already but I feel that a camera effectively "behind" the display itself will make video conversations feel much more "face-to-face" as you'll be able to look the other person in the eye. I don't expect this technology to have much more application beyond making conversations more comfortable but that's still something nice to have.
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That is one benifit of the technology, but also imagine the kind of space savings involved in small electronics devices like camera phones and the like if they dont have to make room for the camera.
 
iSee said:
With cameras spread out thoughout the display, video conferencing will be amazing! You will be able to make eye contact with the person you are talking to! Not just kind-of.

And... if the software tracks your eyes, and the person you are talking to has an "iVid" too, you will be able to move your head and look behind them... or around the room on the other side, or whatever. It will be like those holograms... but in full HD color!!!
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Now we just need a screen that emits and detects matter, thus creating teleportation all in a display.
 
Baldanzi said:
Sorry...Telescreen was the right word. Its been a really long time since I've read that book.

Seems appropriate though since Apple did have that awsome "1984" Macintosh commercial.
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uggg


I so thought telescreen before all of you!!

lol

but ya... 1984 George Orwell... great novel.. u should read it if u havn't already
 
I think everyone here is thinking too small. You're all thinking about just enbedded cameras into the display.

But imagine a display that every pixel on that display can also see out to you. This could also work as a touch pad as it can sense where something is touching the screen just by "seeing" it.

You could write down notes on a real notebook with a pen, and when you're ready to transfer your notes into a computer, instead of scanning it with a scanner and then OCRing it...just hold it up to this display and have it OCR on the fly. That's one use.

Having the whole display act as a camera has other uses also as others have mentioned, but I think they may be working on something altogether different than everyone thinks.
 
tny said:
Yes, it does. Otherwise Orwell could have patented the idea.
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No it doesn't. The US government, by whose authority patents are granted in this country, does not test, nor require others to test, devices to which patents are granted. In fact US Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) auditors believe that as many as 10% of all issued patents are invalid–a high percentage of those due to the fact the invention does not work.*

So there is no evidence that they can actually do it, and none is needed at the patent-granting stage, though that may invalidate the patent later.

*http://www.willitsell.com/patmyths.htm
 
SiliconAddict said:
Umm this isn't new. There It was either 2004 or late 2003 I read an article of a company demoing this tech. It was crappy, it was low res, but it was functional. I call prior art.
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If Apple perfects the technology, than that WOULD be something new. This technology has many very cool possible applications.
 
Am I the only one who thought of the Star Trek "viewscreen" when I read this? I mean, combine this with 200" Plasma/LCD displays and 10 years from now the idea of saying "oncreen" when you get an incoming video call could be a reality!
 
should be something related to PDA

either a PDA iPhone or rebirth of Newton!!!

No matter which one, I am waiting, haha;)
 
Kelmon said:
The current integrated iSight at the top of the display helps with this already but I feel that a camera effectively "behind" the display itself will make video conversations feel much more "face-to-face" as you'll be able to look the other person in the eye. I don't expect this technology to have much more application beyond making conversations more comfortable but that's still something nice to have.
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You're a 100% correct, this is like the current day teleprompter the news people use. It is the same idea, when you talk to people you want to see their eyes and most people when they video conference on a computer they look at the screen not the camera. This is part of the reason video conferencing on PC has not been very successful in the business world. People do not feel that the other persons is being honest if their eyes are not looking at them.

When Apple first did video on the Mac with quicktime and they explored doing two way video over the network, this idea of having the camera behind the screen was looked at, it was shot down at the time due to a few reason, one how do you mount a camera inside a CRT (tube) and second the big brother idea was an issue people were concern that if the camera was mounter in side the monitor people would be concern there was no way for them to know if the camera was recording them and they could not close a shutter or turn the camera away.

Still a great idea just not sure how you make it work right.
 
I think I'm a Mac-psychic...

I swear that at 4.19am this morning (albeit GMT not EST), the time when the story was posted on here, I was in my living room working on an essay and I had a vision of something just like this... I remember the time because the cat tried to jump on my iBook and nudged the screen so I caught a glance of the clock. I'm seriously freaked out now... And I couldn't have gone on MR and forgotten because the only net connection is upstairs...

Maybe I reached Mac nirvana by having been awake for 22hours typing on my iBook...:confused:
 
mmmh, smells like one of those patented products that never see the light of the day; i would LOVE for it to be real, but i guess in the best case scenario we're FAR from shipping devices...
 
tny said:
Yes, it does. Otherwise Orwell could have patented the idea.
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Actually, you never have to make it to patented, look at what is happening to Blackberry, they are being sued by a company who has a patent on a similar idea as what blackberry finally implemented. However, the other company is what is known as a Patent holding company, they come up or buy an idea, patent with no intentions of every making it since they have no clue how to make it then try to license the idea to others or sue those who they think figured out on thier own how to do it for infringing on their patents. Companies like this are sitting on lots of ideas which they have not figure out how to make just waiting for someone else to do it.

The problem with Orwell he was a writer not an inventor. and the idea of a camera behind a video displays is not new and their is plenty of prior "artwork" on this concept that the patent office would not grant a patent solely on this idea. Imagine what Apple is doing might not be this idea, it might have other uses as others have pointed out here.
 
Well, i don't think they would put so many lenses in a display. That's just a bit too much. But I could imagine some light sensors inside (or between) the pixels of a screen. So each pixel would have light sensing capabilities (you don't need lenses actually, since for webcam use, a static focus on the face in front of the screen works). Just take the light sensor of a lousy digital camera and strech it to a big screen. That might just work. The eye contact would be working perfect then with some software. You would even have some sence of space as mentioned my some ppl due to the spacong and size of this big light sensor. Now if that is the "much cooler" thing that was promised, that would be just great.
 
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