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The MacBook 12 is never going to happen again with Tim Cook. Steve Jobs loved taking it out of the envelope. (I had a padded sleeve for it that was just sized like that envelope.) There is a long thread in the MacBook forum. Apple has had many opportunities and years to come up with the device. And it hasn't happened. Same goes for the iPhone Mini. Also, abandoned. More likely is that foldable screen laptop prototype making it to market.
 
I doubt Apple would intentionally put an A-series chip in a MacBook 12". The 2020 Apple Developer Transition Kit used the A12Z, which was in the 2020 iPad Pro. While the A12Z was reportedly passable for testing, it certainly wasn't nearly as good as the M1 that was released six months later, some might say "gimped" in comparison. And the A12Z itself was beefed up A12X. Add to that the memory and bandwidth limitations of the A-series and the concept seems like a one-way ticket to netbookville. Is that something Apple is willing to live with given its current dominance on the desktop? I doubt it.
 
I doubt Apple would intentionally put an A-series chip in a MacBook 12". The 2020 Apple Developer Transition Kit used the A12Z, which was in the 2020 iPad Pro. While the A12Z was reportedly passable for testing, it certainly wasn't nearly as good as the M1 that was released six months later, some might say "gimped" in comparison. And the A12Z itself was beefed up A12X. Add to that the memory and bandwidth limitations of the A-series and the concept seems like a one-way ticket to netbookville. Is that something Apple is willing to live with given its current dominance on the desktop? I doubt it.
IRC that A12 was also customized to add desktop features like swap memory not in the regular A chip.
 
It really comes down to the markets Apple are trying to serve. For those that want ultra-portable (12 inch MacBook) then they probably see people willing to take an iPad and the trade offs that come with it. The market for ultra-portable (with full functionality) must be a small market.

In the PC world what would be equivalent of the 12" MacBook these days?
 
my spouse had one
it replaced a MB Pro that had been stolen
two catastrophic crashes later we got another MB Pro
 
The MacBook 12 is never going to happen again with Tim Cook. Steve Jobs loved taking it out of the envelope. (I had a padded sleeve for it that was just sized like that envelope.) There is a long thread in the MacBook forum. Apple has had many opportunities and years to come up with the device. And it hasn't happened. Same goes for the iPhone Mini. Also, abandoned. More likely is that foldable screen laptop prototype making it to market.
Not with Cook, but he don't have that long time left 😎

I bought a 13'6 last year, so I have a somewhat portable - pretty light, but too big.
I would sell it off instantly if/when next CEO introducing the new 12" 😍
 
I doubt Apple would intentionally put an A-series chip in a MacBook 12". The 2020 Apple Developer Transition Kit used the A12Z, which was in the 2020 iPad Pro. While the A12Z was reportedly passable for testing, it certainly wasn't nearly as good as the M1 that was released six months later, some might say "gimped" in comparison. And the A12Z itself was beefed up A12X. Add to that the memory and bandwidth limitations of the A-series and the concept seems like a one-way ticket to netbookville. Is that something Apple is willing to live with given its current dominance on the desktop? I doubt it.
It’s just a name, you can’t act like the name actually means anything. The A12Z was hardly a “beefed up” version, it just wasn’t the binned A12X, it literally just had 1 additional GPU core unlocked, that’s it. And the M1 is just an A14X, but Apple decided not to name it A14X and went with M1 instead. But again it’s just a name, doesn’t matter what they name it. They could’ve shipped the exact same chips and instead of calling them A14, M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max, and M1 Ultra, they could’ve just named them A14, A14X, A14XX, A14XXX, and A14XXXX and it wouldn’t have technically mattered. And the A series chip have gotten more powerful since then, way more powerful than the intel chips that use to run macOS. An A17 Pro could easily run macOS and it would still be overkill for majority of consumers.
 
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To answer your first question, the answer is 100% yes. Anyone buying a 12” MacBook would not care in the slightest whether it’s thunderbolt 3, or 4, or 5 etc. They are not users who are moving large files, so transfer speeds mean nothing to them, and since thunderbolt 3 is still very fast on its own, even the lowest version of thunderbolt is overkill for these kind of users. And while an older M-series chip would also be more than sufficient, I was actually suggesting an A-series chip in this machine. Think of it like the base iPad compared to the iPad Air. An A17 Pro for example would be more than enough power for this type of user and keeps the cost down and differentiates it from the MacBook Air line.

As for the manufacturing lines being down and this being like starting from zero I also disagree. Apple discontinued the 12” MacBook in 2019, and one year later announced the transition to Apple silicon. That means, if going off the assumption that Apple will bring back the 12” MacBook, they knew that that was the plan when discontinuing it. So they absolutely could, and would, have planned ahead for that. The years of R&D they have with the 12” MacBook would put them far and away from “starting from zero”.

In regards to comparing it to a better speced MBA, don’t disregard the consumers desire to want and buy something as thin and light as the 12” MacBook. There are MANY people who would absolutely pay more just to have something as portable as that, but this time actually be usable. The vast majority of people buying laptops use them 99% of the time for web-based tasks and this would fit their needs beautifully. So when you say “the specs would be so anemic that no one wants one” that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Also as a last point, the new M4 Mac mini proves that the miniaturization process doesn’t always lead to being more expensive, or at least that Apple is willing to eat those costs early on. And looking at all of Apple’s other main product lines (not including the iMac) Tim Cook likes to have 3 tiers: the cheapest base tier, the mid tier, and the high end tier. Gone is Steve Jobs’ 2x2 matrix, this is the new way for better or worse. Except the laptop lineup doesn’t have the “cheapest base tier” as of right now, at least sort of, since Walmart still sells the M1 MBA for $699 that kind of fills that position for now. But I can absolutely see Apple wanting to replace that and the 12” MacBook works kind of perfectly for it.

I see your points.

"A" series chips don't come with Thunderbolt or any of the other standard Mac features like improved image/movie encoding etc., so it would either have to be a "special edition" A series chip with these added - which is costly - or more likely they have to stick to M series chips.

Knowing Apple and knowing that extreme miniaturization while keeping thermals in check is more costly, I would assume Apple would at best offer a truly bare-bones version - just for the price - and anything even slightly better would become massively more expensive.
Not unlike what they do with the new Mac mini.

It would at best be an M1 or M2 series 12" MacBook with 16GB RAM (or even just 8GB?) and 128GB SSD for $899. But would these specs really be useful?
Only for a few.

I bet the 256GB SSD version would already cost $1,199 to make sure Apple gets its premium for the more expensive miniature components. The 512GB SSD version would go for $1,599 and the 1TB for $1,999. And in order to not cannibalize MacBook Air sales 1TB will be the maximum available. If you want more, Apple upsells you to a MacBook Air model, which has higher margins for Apple anyway.

While I can see Apple squeezing in a Magsafe port, I doubt they will have 2 Thunderbolt ports ever. It will remain at just 1. Simply because the MacBook Air uses 2 ports and Apple will want to upsell people who really want or need 2 ports to the MacBook Air models. Again, for their higher margins. That's how they roll.


With all the above specs it will just be a "MacBook Air mini", though.

And that's not actually what every ultra-portable Mac user wants. Myself included.
I don't want an anemic machine less powerful than a MacBook Air just to get the size and weight down.
I am happy to pay a premium for a machine that is smaller yet at least as powerful as a MacBook Air, and I vastly prefer something in specs between the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro. That is why it needs to be a new product category e.g. "MacBook Ultra". Merely "MacBook" is the wrong name, no matter what.

I am the kind of user who would pay good money for an M4 12" MacBook with 64GB of RAM and 4 TB of SSD. And I am OK with Magsafe and 1 Thunderbolt 5 port.
But I doubt the current Apple management would ever go for that kind of market segment... Sadly.
And I am not sure I would ever want a "MacBook Air mini".
 
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I remember, reading on this site, a while ago, that Apple surveyed some professionals about a compact laptop, before the refresh of the MacBook Pro line into 14/16 and, for sure, after the MacBook was removed in 2019.

Nothing came out of it, but...

Also, I have read that Apple is probably in the process of designing the new MacBook Pro line up based mainly on the design of the new iPad Pro body, meaning thin, and light. The motherboard now takes so little space compare to all the other components.

Would it be really far fetch to think, that instead of renewing the line of MacBook (which everyone here would hope for, but doubt it ever happens), they would not simply add a new size to the Pro line (12/14/16), while keeping the Air one exactly as it is (13/15)?

Considering how the M# are powerful, and efficient even without fan, and that the pros are ready to spend the necessary money to get what they want, I can see something like this happen in a near future.

Since the new iPad Pro, Air doesn't mean so much "what it is thin and light" as it used to be. It's more of a sub-brand in itself.

There are also that rumor of a foldable laptop with keyboard on a screen with haptic feedback (based on patent filing), but let's not get ahead of ourselves too much here ;)

What do you think?

I think a '12" MacBook Pro' would be amazing! 👍
And I feel that it would be much more in line with what "executive" types of users would really want from an ultra-portable.

However, this will frustrate all those users in this thread who want a 12" $799 bargain bin Macintosh laptop...


This brings the real issue with the "ultra-portable market" segment to the point.

"Ultra-portable" is not actually one market segment. But instead at least two - if not three - segments that cannot easily be lumped together.
Vastly different kinds of users, from nearly opposing ends of the spectrum, cannot be served with one and the same laptop.
Merely offering different CPU, RAM and SSD sizes cannot do that trick. Materials used, build quality, battery capacity and screen quality, etc. will also have to be part of that differentiation.

Ultimately, this conundrum can only be resolved by introducing 2 or 3 completely different kinds of 12" MacBook devices:
* a super-cheap bargain bin low spec '12" MacBook' version that goes for the lowest price market segment with cheap materials and components,
* a '12" MacBook Air' version that goes for the average Mac user wanting an ultra-portable keeping prices roughly in the MacBook Air range,
* a '12" MacBook Pro' version that goes for the high-end "executive" ultra-portable market.

There is no other way. Yet Apple seemingly never understood this. Instead they tried to shoehorn all three types of users into one single device. That attempt will fail. As we have seen.
 
I think a '12" MacBook Pro' would be amazing! 👍
And I feel that it would be much more in line with what "executive" types of users would really want from an ultra-portable.

However, this will frustrate all those users in this thread who want a 12" $799 bargain bin Macintosh laptop...


This brings the real issue with the "ultra-portable market" segment to the point.

"Ultra-portable" is not actually one market segment. But instead at least two - if not three - segments that cannot easily be lumped together.
Vastly different kinds of users, from nearly opposing ends of the spectrum, cannot be served with one and the same laptop.
Merely offering different CPU, RAM and SSD sizes cannot do that trick. Materials used, build quality, battery capacity and screen quality, etc. will also have to be part of that differentiation.

Ultimately, this conundrum can only be resolved by introducing 2 or 3 completely different kinds of 12" MacBook devices:
* a super-cheap bargain bin low spec '12" MacBook' version that goes for the lowest price market segment with cheap materials and components,
* a '12" MacBook Air' version that goes for the average Mac user wanting an ultra-portable keeping prices roughly in the MacBook Air range,
* a '12" MacBook Pro' version that goes for the high-end "executive" ultra-portable market.

There is no other way. Yet Apple seemingly never understood this. Instead they tried to shoehorn all three types of users into one single device. That attempt will fail. As we have seen.
I see some users here arguing for a low fee, very portable device, but truly I don't believe in this at all. I think ultra-portable is a niche, and one it's worth paying for. Everyone here is passionate enough about the MacBook 12, they would pay a premium if it only had a M1, and nothing else, keeping all the compromises it currently has except being underpowered and efficient (battery life).

The Air is obviously now the everyone laptop, and the right move was to make a 15", not a 12". It didn't work with the 11" and the sweet stop always been bigger for the public, we see it with the iPad, the phone, etc.

For me, the Pro line is not one of mass market, but one where you can charm with something specific (power + portability, big bright screen, multiple ports, work-station replacement, etc.). They all come with some compromises (weight, form, price, etc). Ultra-portability is something specific, and yes, it comes with its compromises. It cannot be all at the same time, and for everyone. As a professional, you know the compromises you would face if you choose it, and you'll be fine with it. Your mom would not.

A no more than 2lbs, 12" laptop, with a great reliable keyboard, a powerful chip and super efficient one, offering all day battery life (12 hours+), ideally with nano-texture and an Apple modem in option for everywhere portability. I would pay a fortune for this. Really!

And if the one port is the compromise, for the form factor/weight, so f__ing be it. I don't think it's the short-coming at all of this laptop. It is just overblown, like its keyboard. It's like the power button on the new mini, or the port under the magic mouse. Only the geeks talk about this to be interesting on YouTube. They are NOT issues, just well though compromises.

I would use this machine as my sole computer, at work (connected to a Studio Display and Magic keyboard/mouse), around the house, outside, and while travelling.
 
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Bought my girlfriend one of those a couple years back for University, and long commutes.
Base 2016 model. Felt great to use. Light, portable, very usable even to this day.

I'm actually going to order one off ebay as secondary laptop
 
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And if the one port is the compromise, for the form factor/weight, so f__ing be it. I don't think it's the short-coming at all of this laptop. It is just overblown, like its keyboard. It's like the power button on the new mini, or the port under the magic mouse. Only the geeks talk about this to be interesting on YouTube. They are NOT issues, just well though compromises.

I agree with everything you said - except for the Magic Mouse. 🤣

If you have a desktop Mac and that mouse is the only mouse you have, and it's battery died over night and you only realize this when you were getting ready to start work in the morning - then what? You cannot move or use that mouse while it is charging. If you have no other input device, then you are screwed. You cannot fully control a Mac just with a keyboard. You effectively need to call your boss to tell them that you'll be taking 1 hour off this morning - so you can charge that bleepin' mouse... What a nightmare.

I really think this mouse has a terrible design.

Or actually, it is a brilliant design - for Apple!
As it forces users to buy a second mouse or second trackpad as a backup - just for these cases. Double the money for Apple...
I smell a rat. It's all deliberate.
 
This was one of the most stunning, well built computers I had ever seen up to that point. It was a Thunderbolt port and M1-4 chip away from being a best-seller in my view.

It was the last time I walked into a store, looked at the new Apple product and was blown away by things like it being impossibly thin… speakers incredibly powerful and clear… Sturdy frame despite being as thin as it was. And let’s face it, technical failures aside, the Butterfly keyboard was phenomenal sounding and satisfying to use when it worked.
 
Even though I had four or five keyboard replacements on 2016 Pro - I can agree with this. When it worked, it was one of the best and fatigue preventing keyboards for me.
I remember the first time I used my MBP in 2017 in a college class. Absolutely loved every keystroke note and the crisp feel of it… a peer did not approve and when we were packing up to go was staring me out… oops.

That machine had about 3 replacements before Apple refunded it. Shame
 
I agree with everything you said - except for the Magic Mouse. 🤣

If you have a desktop Mac and that mouse is the only mouse you have, and it's battery died over night and you only realize this when you were getting ready to start work in the morning - then what? You cannot move or use that mouse while it is charging. If you have no other input device, then you are screwed. You cannot fully control a Mac just with a keyboard. You effectively need to call your boss to tell them that you'll be taking 1 hour off this morning - so you can charge that bleepin' mouse... What a nightmare.

I really think this mouse has a terrible design.

Or actually, it is a brilliant design - for Apple!
As it forces users to buy a second mouse or second trackpad as a backup - just for these cases. Double the money for Apple...
I smell a rat. It's all deliberate.
I would not say deliberate, as it's a design compromise. In the what, 15 years I'm using them, what you described happen to me maybe 5 times (being generous).

I prefer to have a backup mouse (which is just an old battery powered Magic Mouse sitting in a drawer) for when it's happen, and I'm in a super rush, then having a mouse with a port in the front.

For your information (and I'm sure you didn't know as many), 2 minutes charge (the time it takes you to call your boss), gives you 9 hours of use, 5 minutes, a full day.

So NO, it is NOT an issue. ;) Again overblown by Youtubers.
 
Due to higher costs coming from extreme miniaturization, this device will more likely cost at least $1,299 to $1,399.
Any price lower than that is unrealistic.
Unless one goes back to low-res, poor quality screens and 128GB SSD storage capacities.

Are you OK with that?
I'll be gladly paying $1600 if it's available right now. The ultra portability is massive for my day to day use.
 
I Wonder how long would take until someone retrofits a M1 Macbook Air's logic board into one of these
 


Apple announced the infamous 12-inch Retina MacBook a decade ago today, an experimental new Mac that was as controversial as it was revolutionary.

2016-12-inch-macbook-feature.jpg

Apple unveiled the 12-inch MacBook on March 9, 2015, at the "Spring Forward" event in San Francisco, California. The event was primarily focused on the Apple Watch, which was being fully detailed ahead of its launch the following month, so the debut of the brand-new MacBook line took many by surprise. Apple CEO Tim Cook introduced the new MacBook as a "reinvention" of the notebook.

The device was extremely controversial due to its underpowered performance, single USB-C port for both charging and data transfer, short battery life, unreliable butterfly keyboard, and high price point ($1,299 starting price in 2015—the same as a MacBook Pro at the time).

However, the 12-inch MacBook offered a glimpse at what was to come in the Mac lineup. It was the first Apple device with a USB-C port, terraced battery, butterfly keyboard, and haptic trackpad. It was also the first MacBook with a design focused on efficiency, a Retina display in a non-Pro model, multiple color options, and without a fan or an illuminated Apple logo.

In 2016, Apple refreshed the 12-inch MacBook to add Intel Skylake Core m3, m5, and m7 processors, improved battery life and faster PCIe storage, and a Rose Gold color option. In 2017, it introduced Intel Kaby Lake Core m3, i5, and i7 processors, and a second-generation butterfly keyboard for slightly better reliability.

It was discontinued upon the introduction of the 2019 MacBook Air. The 12-inch MacBook was functionally replaced by the 2018 MacBook Air, which effectively adopted its design, but with an additional USB-C port, a single fan for active cooling, and a larger display.

What do you think about the 12-inch MacBook a whole decade later? Let us know in the comments.

Article Link: Apple Introduced Its Most Controversial MacBook 10 Years Ago Today
Biggest Mistake Apple ever made: Getting rid of the beautiful lighted Apple Logo.
 
I Wonder how long would take until someone retrofits a M1 Macbook Air's logic board into one of these

Forever.

The 12" MacBook motherboard is in my estimate about 55% smaller (!) than the current 13" MacBook Air motherboard.
Less than half the size!

Unless one removes nearly all of the battery - which will give you abysmal battery life - no one will be able to fit a MacBook Air motherboard into a 12" MacBook.

It really needs to be completely reengineered with much more compact parts.
And that is what will make it expensive.

There is no way MacBook Air parts can fit. Even the 13" MacBook Air is way too big.
This only showcases what a marvel of engineering the original 12" MacBook really was!


There are few sources available that provide motherboard dimensions for MacBooks.
But I found this one for the 12" MacBook on imgur
And I found a good image from the iFixit M3 MacBook Air teardown at https://cdn.ithinkdiff.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/M3-MacBook-Air-teardown-e1710359379632.png

MacBookVsAirMotherboard.jpg


The M3 MacBook Air heatsink uses nearly the whole width of the MacBook Air, which itself is 304.1 mm wide.
So I figured the heatsink should be about 285 - 290 mm in length.
Extrapolating from these measurements the M3 MacBook Air motherboard should be roughly 187 mm x 55 mm in size.
Which makes it more than double the size of the 12" MacBook motherboard (in surface area).

No one will be able to retrofit that massive MacBook Air motherboard into a 12" MacBook - while retaining its full functionality.
We need Apple to do that job, to reengineer the whole thing...
 
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Forever.

The 12" MacBook motherboard is in my estimate about 55% smaller (!) than the current 13" MacBook Air motherboard.
Less than half the size!

Unless one removes nearly all of the battery - which will give you abysmal battery life - no one will be able to fit a MacBook Air motherboard into a 12" MacBook.

It really needs to be completely reengineered with much more compact parts.
And that is what will make it expensive.

There is no way MacBook Air parts can fit. Even the 13" MacBook Air is way too big.
This only showcases what a marvel of engineering the original 12" MacBook really was!


There are few sources available that provide motherboard dimensions for MacBooks.
But I found this one for the 12" MacBook on imgur
And I found a good image from the iFixit M3 MacBook Air teardown at https://cdn.ithinkdiff.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/M3-MacBook-Air-teardown-e1710359379632.png

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The M3 MacBook Air heatsink uses nearly the whole width of the MacBook Air, which itself is 304.1 mm wide.
So I figured the heatsink should be about 285 - 290 mm in length.
Extrapolating from these measurements the M3 MacBook Air motherboard should be roughly 187 mm x 55 mm in size.
Which makes it more than double the size of the 12" MacBook motherboard (in surface area).

No one will be able to retrofit that massive MacBook Air motherboard into a 12" MacBook - while retaining its full functionality.
We need Apple to do that job, to reengineer the whole thing...
Maybe a suitable retrofit could come from the iPad 13 Pro M4.
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Controversial? More like Apple's most epic underrated ultraportable laptop.
They could re-release it with 2 USB-C ports, Magic keyboard, and Apple Silicon:

"Ultraportable and ultralight is back. Now with Magic keyboard." and it would sell like hotcakes.
It's the very definition of a truly portable lightweight laptop. And now Apple can give it maximum performance.
 

Controversial? More like Apple's most epic underrated ultraportable laptop.
They could re-release it with 2 USB-C ports, Magic keyboard, and Apple Silicon:

"Ultraportable and ultralight is back. Now with Magic keyboard." and it would sell like hotcakes.
It's the very definition of a truly portable lightweight laptop. And now Apple can give it maximum performance.
Man - watching that video makes me feel sad that I sold mine. And it was not only nice to see a slow-paced video from Apple again, but I also liked how Ive would speak of the „best MacBook yet“ (instead of the „best MacBook ever“, which would be the usual exaggerating marketing speech in so many videos nowadays).

Thanks for that nice trip down memory lane!
 
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