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Well I have a problem with the whole thing where businesses who aren't entertainment are using the terms "backstage" for internal areas and "roles" for positions, like it's all some kind of show or something. It's not, it's the real world with a real business.
Apple has built an empire selling fantasy, being cool and hip, this move simply continues the tradition.
 
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Extreme with emphasis using CAPS, while down playing the real issue at hand here.
The real issue at hand here was that you originally thought that the newly created position had more responsibly that then Genius position, and therefore deserved the same pay.

When corrected on that, you then said that because the newly created position is doing "repairs", it therefore deserved the same pay that Geniuses get.

When it was pointed out that the newly created position only repairs a subset of what the Geniuses repair (and thus it didn't really make any sort of sense to pay the two positions the same, because who would want the Genius position when they could get the clearly easier newly created position for the same salary), you then said "make anyone who repairs anything a full Genius", as if the mix of customers coming to the Genius Bar with problems were there for 50% mobile issues, 50% Mac issues. Which they aren't.

The number of people visiting the Genius Bar for mobile repairs > Mac repairs. IMO, the newly created position speaks exactly to that.
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Apple has built an empire selling fantasy, being cool and hip, this move simply continues the tradition.
The whole "stage" thing isn't an Apple exclusive. Target uses the term "on stage" to refer to being out on the sales floor with the customers, and their empire isn't built on selling fantasy, etc.
 
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This change in titles might be interesting to employees but probably not customers. Moreover, I would expect most customers to be either unaware of the titles or unable/unwilling to decode what skills correspond to a specific title.
 
The real issue at hand here was that you originally thought that the newly created position had more responsibly that then Genius position, and therefore deserved the same pay.

When corrected on that, you then said that because the newly created position is doing "repairs", it therefore deserved the same pay that Geniuses get.

When it was pointed out that the newly created position only repairs a subset of what the Geniuses repair (and thus it didn't really make any sort of sense to pay the two positions the same, because who would want the Genius position when they could get the clearly easier newly created position for the same salary), you then said "make anyone who repairs anything a full Genius", as if the mix of customers coming to the Genius Bar with problems were there for 50% mobile issues, 50% Mac issues. Which they aren't.

The number of people visiting the Genius Bar for mobile repairs > Mac repairs. IMO, the newly created position speaks exactly to that.
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The whole "stage" thing isn't an Apple exclusive. Target uses the term "on stage" to refer to being out on the sales floor with the customers, and their empire isn't built on selling fantasy, etc.
No, the real issue here is Apple doesn't want to pay its Geniuses to do some types of repairs, so it has created a lower classification with lower pay for employers to do those repairs. It's taking work away from Geniuses and getting lower paid staff to do the work. It's very clear what is occurring here.
 
Yes, but people are jerks all the time. Why make it easy?

And as to answering the question of why any particular individual is working in retail: Isn't that down to the individual to figure out themselves - rather than be told? People are fairly intelligent.

What makes you think this "credo" will work?
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I really liked visiting stores back in those days. You guys were experts.

I remember buying my first mac and the salesperson/genius steered me away from the expensive aluminum macbook pro (that I thought I needed) to the significantly cheaper white macbook while explaining in detail why the white macbook was better for me. Not many retailers will do that!

Enormous trust builder.

Compare that to what I experienced in a very recent visit when I took my iPhone in for a repair under Applecare+ They swapped out the wrong part and then handed the phone back to me still showing the very obvious original defect. I had to point it out to the "genius", endure an awkward moment of embarrassment for the guy as he tried to "explain" it and then wait a further half-hour while they processed a whole unit swap (ostensibly to "save me more time")

It's not the same now and I don't think this vacuous credo blather is going to help.

Exactly. We were enthusiasts when it came to the products and actual users when it came to the professional software. I was a professional video editor so I dealt with a lot of pro-level customers and would help them navigate their storage and workflow solutions. Our geniuses were the best and would never let the crap you dealt with fly. Now it's such a robotic, assembly-line atmosphere. I actually hate going into those stores now.
 
No, the real issue here is Apple doesn't want to pay its Geniuses to do some types of repairs, so it has created a lower classification with lower pay for employers to do those repairs. It's taking work away from Geniuses and getting lower paid staff to do the work. It's very clear what is occurring here.
If Geniuses have been slow with Mac repairs because they've been overwhelmed by mobile repairs (something I don't think many who have had a Mac serviced at the Genius Bar lately will disagree with), it makes absolute sense to take the mobile repair work away for them, and give it to a less-technical position that only deals with that type of repair work. Then the Geniuses can focus on Mac repairs and reduce the turn-around times.

It'd probably boggle your mind to know that when most Apple Stores get too far behind in Mac repairs, the store sends the excess Macs to a third-party repair depot, where the repair is done by someone who undoubtedly makes less than what Apple pays the Genius.

So if Apple were looking to save money by reducing the quantity of Geniuses in-store (which seems to be your thesis), Apple could have done that years ago (by using the repair depot more), without having bothered to create a new in-store position that will offer an advancement opportunity (and more pay) that doesn't exist now for store employees.
 
If Geniuses have been slow with Mac repairs because they've been overwhelmed by mobile repairs (something I don't think many who have had a Mac serviced at the Genius Bar lately will disagree with), it makes absolute sense to take the mobile repair work away for them, and give it to a less-technical position that only deals with that type of repair work. Then the Geniuses can focus on Mac repairs and reduce the turn-around times.

It'd probably boggle your mind to know that when most Apple Stores get too far behind in Mac repairs, the store sends the excess Macs to a third-party repair depot, where the repair is done by someone who undoubtedly makes less than what Apple pays the Genius.

So if Apple were looking to save money by reducing the quantity of Geniuses in-store (which seems to be your thesis), Apple could have done that years ago (by using the repair depot more), without having bothered to create a new in-store position that will offer an advancement opportunity (and more pay) that doesn't exist now for store employees.
Macs and iPhones are just as technical. Open them both up to reveal the shared complexity of each.

If more Geniuses are needed for mobile repairs, then hire more Geniuses. Simple. The only reason to split the positions up is to save on paying for Geniuses. Penny pinching Apple is at work here.
 
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Technical Expert: An all-new customer support position in between Technical Specialist and Genius. These employees will be able to provide mobile repairs, previously limited to Geniuses, and troubleshooting for software and products like the Apple Watch and Apple TV.

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Does this mean mobile repairs will be done by staff on lower pay rates under the role titled Technical Experts? Pay rates please!! Penny pinching on staff wages, Apple?

I expect this of the rubbish
companies out there, but Apple? Is it true, is Apple really a rubbish employer?
Send in the lawyers to challenge this kind of unfair change to working arrangements and test it in the courts.

Then add in the whole lame chants thing... employees are taught to really hate themselves at work. Unionize, people.

Yep, I thought it wasn't, but simplicity is dead at Apple.

They're new positions, they're not assigning more work to existing employees unless they want it. It's not a chant, it's a filter through which every day problems can be solved and it's incredibly useful

This stinks of Angela Ahrendts. There will be a catwalk up the middle of the stores soon :p

One can only hope!
 
Customer: My iMessage keeps freeze up
Apple Greeter: Please stand right here, a Check-in Pro will assist you.
Apple Check-in Pro: I hear that you're having problems with iMessage. An iMessage Pro, technician will assist you, shortly if you sit right here.
 
As one who used to manage the so called Specialists and all the other overrated titles Apple made up to make the poorly treated employees feel special, I can tell you that when the store leader says, "I don't know this guy... put him on wall duty and have him come spend 15min in time out to learn and recite the credo in his break!"... reading this now, makes me sick. Apple looks incredible for most on the outside, but I swear, it is a special kind of hell to work at this overrated company. Anyone who's been working for Apple since Steve and a few years after his passed, can say exactly the same thing... Apple is sinking... It's seriously lost its way and this failed attempt to look important to the elite customers by applying Pro to everything is so pathetic. The Pro term at Apple is tossed around internally a little too loosely... Truth is, Pro isn't giving you more, it is just giving you a different form factor with visually different attributes. Does anyone remember who worked at Apple that when we were shown in house demos of iPhone 4S, Siri also worked fine on the iPhone 4. Then marketing realised they needed something new and exciting, since SPEED was already taken now S will stand for Siri, what a great way to lure people in and let's overclock the processors and do minor updates. Basically Apple is nothing more than smoke and mirrors, fancy marketing and overly weak products for their price range. I write this and I realise how I enjoyed my first two years at Apple, what a joy it was to work with people, to meet new and exciting creatives and building the history within the Retail history. It felt like we actually did something good, numbers weren't what was pushing the concept for us, it was the customer experience and we did it well. But then, things changed, and with Tim Cook, everything changed...

All of this is upper management trickery to keep the employees happy. You who haven't worked for Apple won't ever know how much the common employee would do and sacrifice for a title that means nothing at all. They are tossed around sometimes to keep the good workers quiet and content. They often take away their titles too to punish them and then give it back if they feel you are loyal to the cult. A lot of brain games were taught to us, neural linguistics and how to get what we want... "Does that make sense?"

I suppose this is more to those who were once on the inside, not so much to those who weren't... Not all had bad experiences, but those who were there in a higher positions throughout the years, moved from store to store for observation and management... yeah... we saw thins differently. It's a crime what they made us do to our employees.
 
Somebody in the diversity department screwed up.
I can see two male Caucasians in the background of that photo.

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I for one want to believe that they believe in their credo. It's not their fault that not everyone can live up to those standards, or keep up the passion year after year. It's just natural. That doesn't mean aiming for big goals is a bad thing, though. Though I know idealism is unrealistic, I can't help but try to believe.
 
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No spinning here. A true Genius position would create a new opportunity for Apple Store employees to advance their salary and skill set more than the Technical Expert position which is paid lesser.
A true Genius position?????? You mean like the one that already exists??????
These are technical roles though which are being passed off as retail positions.
Spoiler Alert The Genius position is a retail job!

In the end this means there will be less need for Geniuses and less need for paying Genius pay rates from Apple's perspective.
That's not true, where do you see a decline in demand for Mac technicians??? If anything, there should be an increase as of late. Many more big corporations are replacing old PCs with Macs.
 
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If Geniuses have been slow with Mac repairs because they've been overwhelmed by mobile repairs (something I don't think many who have had a Mac serviced at the Genius Bar lately will disagree with), it makes absolute sense to take the mobile repair work away for them, and give it to a less-technical position that only deals with that type of repair work. Then the Geniuses can focus on Mac repairs and reduce the turn-around times.

It'd probably boggle your mind to know that when most Apple Stores get too far behind in Mac repairs, the store sends the excess Macs to a third-party repair depot, where the repair is done by someone who undoubtedly makes less than what Apple pays the Genius.

So if Apple were looking to save money by reducing the quantity of Geniuses in-store (which seems to be your thesis), Apple could have done that years ago (by using the repair depot more), without having bothered to create a new in-store position that will offer an advancement opportunity (and more pay) that doesn't exist now for store employees.

This is very true. Apples goal is most likely to be able to do more same day Mac repairs like they do for iPhones. With the genius teams freed up they can easily accomplish this for simple repairs that do not require triage of the issue or longer diagnostics afterwards that verify the issues are resolved.
 
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Last two visits to an Apple Store to have the misaligned front facing camera addressed, they always jump straight to the SIM card tray moisture sensor. Saw them do the same thing with other people at my table with issues completely unrelated to what symptoms of water damage would be. This one guy said he just updated to the new iOS and it bricked his phone and now he can't restore it (has the iTunes logo and the cable displayed). His moisture indicator was pink/red and they denied to help him restore his iPhone bc of that despite being within the 1 yr warranty...all bc of that stupid moisture sensor strategically placed near the opening by Apple so they can deny repairs.

I don't care what titles they want to give to these Apple Store techs, they've been trained to specifically look for ways to deny providing support / repairs. As far as I'm concerned, they can be called Master ******s. It's never been this bad and sadly it's getting worse. After the 2nd screen replacement to address the misaligned front facing camera on my iPhone 6, I noticed the screen wasn't seated all the way down flush. I made another appointment and the tech tried to milk me for an "accidental damage" deductible claiming I caused the damage. When I informed the girl that this screen had just been replaced last week by this same store, she didn't want to hear it and said I need to pay the deductible. Had to get a manager involved who also tried to get me to pay. Claimed "her store's techs" always double check their repairs yada-yada. Finally she agreed to fix the issue they caused and then made a snarky comment of "next screen issue, you're gonna have to pay the deductible" lmfao. I went in for the camera issue and they caused the screen issue with a shoddy repair job.

Apple Stores have gone to crap for support. They could call their techs God for all I care, that wouldn't fix a thing

Liquid damage is not covered under warranty. They are trained to look for these glaring issues before giving options. There's no point in troubleshooting or repairing a liquid damaged phone. Liquid damage is catastrophic.
That is why you should have paid the service fee for your Applecare or an out of warranty replacement. Dont blame others for not being able to keep your phone from liquid.
 
Are you seriously questioning it? If so, describe why my question is on point or completely absurd.
You didn't ask a question. You made a statement about both iPhone and Macs being equally "technical", as if that opinion somehow made the repairability of both devices equal.

Apple Stores do limited mobile repairs in the store. iPhones can get the camera module swapped out. iPhones can get their screens replaced. I think about the only thing they'll do on an iPad is clean out the charging port. Just about everything else is accomplished by giving the customer a replacement unit. Probably spend more time generating the paperwork and getting the proper signatures than doing the actual swap. This is is wasted time for Geniuses, IMO.

If you bring in an Mac that needs a repair, you're 99% guaranteed that it's going to get repaired vs. you getting a service replacement. This is where a Genius can spend hours on a single Mac repair, from diagnosing it, taking it apart, making the fix, bench testing the repair, and putting it all back together again.

Just because the word "repair" can be used to describe what happens to both mobile devices and Macs doesn't mean the in-store experiences (or the skill sets to accomplish them) are anywhere near the same. Despite them all being "technical" devices.
 
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