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Comparing the new 32GB Nexus 7 to the 32GB Mini, the Nexus has a far faster CPU, a slightly better GPU, a standard USB port, a higher resolution screen and thus a far higher PPI, but yet costs over $180 less. Sure, the new iPad Mini will be a hit.... People will also surely love the new crApple maps app on iOS 6, which will work even better since the wi-fi mini will not a have a GPS, unlike the Nexus 7, and passbook will work great, especially with no NFC capabilities, again, unlike the Nexus 7. What a failure of a product Apple has excreted...

Yeah, but Nexus 7 runs Android OS and have you ever thought that not everyone is crazy about it? (like you may be)
 
Yeah, but Nexus 7 runs Android OS and have you ever thought that not everyone is crazy about it? (like you may be)

Yeah, but iPad Mini runs iOS and have you ever thought that not everyone is crazy about it? Its a toy OS that offers poor choice in options and customization.
 
I'm aware of that. In fact, that's exactly what I was expecting. But the problem is at the price, it's not worth it, not when I can get a used iPad 2 for cheaper with more storage and it has all the capabilities of this one. If it at least had retina, then I could understand the price.

Then don't get it. It's that simple. If ya want, just get ipad 4.
 
Looks like a great unit but I can see that price keeping sales down. I'm sure they'd be making a decent profit even at $249 (or somewhere inbetween like 279). Especially when the $199 kindle has higher resolution, it's weird to see Apple introduce a product with lower resolution and ppi than what's already available.

I disagree. I think sales will go through the roof because the premium is more than justified. Most people want a tablet to get a great tablet experience, not to get the same experience they get on their phone, just on a slightly bigger screen.

Also, based on the design alone, it's clear that the mini requires more sophisticated manufacturing techniques and uses higher end materials for its casing. And although the display has a lower ppi, it's using the latest in display technology.

I have a feeling that when users factor in all the other iPad advantages (apps, accessories, ease-of-use, etc.) and actually hold one in their hands, $329 will be considered by many to be a bargain compared to the cheaply made alternatives.
 
The vast majority have no interest whatsoever in the type of customization you refer to.

Thats because the vast majority believes Apple's products are the only ones worthwhile buying. The fact is, that is not true. Marketing and propaganda works wonders.

Sorry, but youre clearly wrong.
 
Yeah, but iPad Mini runs iOS and have you ever thought that not everyone is crazy about it? Its a toy OS that offers poor choice in options and customization.

Precisely my point! I don't like android because it's sluggish, messy full of crapware and maleware. And you don't like iOS for wahtever reason you said you don't (probably the lack of widgets or screensavers, lol)

So each to their own mr ;)
 
Precisely my point! I don't like android because it's sluggish, messy full of crapware and maleware. And you don't like iOS for wahtever reason you said you don't (probably the lack of widgets or screensavers, lol)

So each to their own mr ;)

I don't like iOS because I won't allow iTunes locking MY media, the inability to flash it with a different ROM, the inability to use different keyboards and customize how it functions according to MY preferences, etc.

Widgets and screensaver? Please, youre only living up to the stereotype of an apple user being ignorant on anything non-apple.
 
While technically the Ipad mini seems to pale in comparison to the android offerings, where it absolutely stomps them into obsolescence is the app store.

I bought an android tablet open box with a 30 day return warranty. Got it home and started downloading all the decent art/sketch/drawing/painting apps, I could find for it. All 3 of them. Yes there are more, but many are the exact same application. The Ipad has at least 20 decent, if not amazing art apps, much less other useful applications that people use. Android Is just no where near competing with that yet, Or else I would have waited and Gotten a Galaxy note 10, with a real wacom stylus instead of the stop gap styluses us artist have to use on the ipad. I may have to use a stopgap to draw on it, but it still so far outclasses the android app offerings that I am totally fine with not only paying more for it, but having to be handicapped because Of Steve Jobs shortsightedness, on at least that one aspect of these devices.

Maybe in 5 or 10 years things will change, but I doubt it, Look at how Long Pc's dominated that market, and how Mac Got left behind in the sheer volume of programs available. Now the tables have turned, and other than people who use their devices for little more then ebooks, and websurfing. The Ipad , Any IPad is a wholly more capable device than any an d every android tablet on the market, or in the pipeline.
 
Apple couldn't make the iPad mini retina, it had to be 1024x768. 2048x1536 is just too high for a 7/8" tablet in terms of graphics power required and cost, so it had to be 1024x768. This meant the iPad mini could not be retina and many similar sized Android tablets are higher resolution.

2048x1536 is exactly the same pixel density as an iPhone 4/5...
 
Comparing the new 32GB Nexus 7 to the 32GB Mini, the Nexus has a far faster CPU, a slightly better GPU,

The A5 chip (in iPad 2 and mini) has faster GPU than the Nexus: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/5 (see the offscreen charts, as the devices have different resolutions)

And of course, the iPad mini has a bigger screen, it is lighter, it is made of aluminum not plastic.. Of course you can only compare those specifications that matter most to you, like the price.
 
Yeah, but iPad Mini runs iOS and have you ever thought that not everyone is crazy about it? Its a toy OS that offers poor choice in options and customization.

iOS still very popular though and a smaller tablet featuring the "toy OS" should not be a concern to the majority who are not bothered about customising their mobile OS and just want a quality product that's very easy to use.
 
This isn't a matter of fragmentation. They didn't blink an eye when they changed the iPhone 5's resolution, I can't see them holding back with the iPad Mini. It's a matter of money. A Retina Display would have eaten into their bottom line and a lack of RD also provides a reason to have people upgrade a year from now...when they do offer a RD on the iPad mini. And they will.

Exactly. This year, Phil Schiller sold it as an advantage that all existing iOS apps run on the iPad Mini because it has the same 1024x768 pixel resolution as the original iPad and the iPad 2. Next year, Phil Schiller will proudly announce that they have finally phased out the 1024x768 resolution because every iOS gadget will then have a retina display. And he will not mention that there are thousands of apps out there that have been designed for 1024x768 and are only upscaled on the retina displays. That won't sell well.

And the retina display and maybe a slightly faster CPU and GPU will probably be the only differences between next year's "new" iPad Mini and the one they introduced yesterday. And in two years, they will completely drop the support for this year's model, just like they dropped the support for the original iPad. It's their typical planned obsolescence business model.

But what I really, really find humorous is that they say that the iPad Mini has the perfect display size and that you can use it with one hand -- and that all of a sudden, everybody here buys into that.

Do you guys remember when you said that a Galaxy Note is way to big and that you cannot use it with one hand? And the Note only has a 5" screen, and you found that too unwieldy. But now a 7.something" device is perfectly fine for one handed use. Wow. Just wow.

I also remember when Steve Jobs said that tablets with a smaller size than the original iPad would not make any sense and would be unusable. And even back then I wondered if he really believes that, how can he sell an iPod Touch with a 3.5" screen? If he were still alive, he would probably go all Konrad Adenauer on us: (in free translation) "I don't care about the nonsense I said yesterday."

The price of the iPad Mini is also too high for a 7" device. It's 1.5 times more expensive than a Kindle Fire or a Nexus 7. Google is going to introduce a set of new devices by next week and in several countries the Nexus 7 has already receives a silent upgrade in which they doubled the RAM of the device and sold it for the same price.

Oh, and the photo. It looks --exactly-- the like product photo that Samsung used when they introduced the Galaxy Note. So Apple is now going copycat on who they say is a copycat? If it weren't so pathetic, it would almost be ironic.
 
iOS still very popular though and a smaller tablet featuring the "toy OS" should not be a concern to the majority who are not bothered about customising their mobile OS and just want a quality product that's very easy to use.

All of them are easy to use. The difference are minor these days. You'll find quality products outside of the Apple world that are on par and sometimes above level. This idea that Apple is without question 'the best' is very narrow minded.
 
I read through a few posts but could not find the answer, so I was wondering what time friday do preorders start? I have never preordered from the apple store so I am curious.
 
The vast majority have no interest whatsoever in the type of customization you refer to.

You're right. The vast majority wants to wear the same uniform and be just like everybody else.

Someone here once used a nice signature: "When did 'think different' become 'conform always'?"

The real difference between Android and iOS is rather simple, but goes very deep: Android is all about openness and freedom. iOS is all about restricting the users and locking them into Apple's Walled Garden ecosystem.
 
I don't like iOS because I won't allow iTunes locking MY media, the inability to flash it with a different ROM, the inability to use different keyboards and customize how it functions according to MY preferences, etc.

Widgets and screensaver? Please, youre only living up to the stereotype of an apple user being ignorant on anything non-apple.

Some people don't care about those things, i don't understand why you are complaining if you don't like iOS use android or windows mobile don't try to bring people down if they like a "locked" "toy" OS.
 
All of them are easy to use. The difference are minor these days. You'll find quality products outside of the Apple world that are on par and sometimes above level. This idea that Apple is without question 'the best' is very narrow minded.

I've used Android devices and I agree some of them are quality products but I still find iOS more consistent and easier to use.

It's not a problem though, if you like to tinker with your mobile OS don't buy an Apple product and just get an Android device as you are obviously not the sort of buyer the iPad is aimed at. Or wait for the jailbreak.
 
My issue with the iPad Mini.

Apple used to have 13", 15" and 17" MBPs.
Now Apple have 13" and 15" MBPs.

Apple used to have 17", 20" and 24" iMacs.
Apple now have 21.5" and 24" iMacs.

But . . .
Apple used to have 2 different sized tablet computers. Touch and iPad.
Now Apple have 3 different sized tablet computers. Touch, Mini and iPad.

See the difference. Why is Apple adding a 3rd type of tablet computer when historically they have (and rightfully so in my opinion) gone from 3 types of computer to 2? This I fail to understand.
 
youre only living up to the stereotype of an apple user being ignorant on anything non-apple.

Nice try! But....

I have used iOS, Android and Windows phones. I like windows OS on Nikoa phones and it would be my second choice if i was to give up iOS. I just don't like Android. I used it for 8 months and it reminded me the time when i used windows PC and the headache i used to have with bugs and viruses. Which to me is a bigger problem then a limited cotumization.
 
All of them are easy to use. The difference are minor these days. You'll find quality products outside of the Apple world that are on par and sometimes above level. This idea that Apple is without question 'the best' is very narrow minded.

Its not narrow minded if you've used them and formed an opinion.

Some of them have great specs and interesting features but every one I've used has been ultimately frustrating. Same with android phones.

We had android tablets/phones forced on us at work and it but didn't happen... now using iOS devices.
 
You're right. The vast majority wants to wear the same uniform and be just like everybody else.

Someone here once used a nice signature: "When did 'think different' become 'conform always'?"

The real difference between Android and iOS is rather simple, but goes very deep: Android is all about openness and freedom. iOS is all about restricting the users and locking them into Apple's Walled Garden ecosystem.

See, you keep proving me correct, never one kind thing to say about Apple, never one. It's bash, bash, bash, hype up MS or Google or in this case, Android, which by the way is patently false. Each manufacturer takes that OS and locks it down. That's not openness, that's worse than whatever crimes you think Apple commits because that OS *should* be completely the same on every single device made, but it ends up being different on every single device such that it's not the same anymore, unless by openness you mean the ability to lock down and change so it's not even recognisable anymore. Openness = different on every device??

What you do on here amounts to nothing more than consummate trolling, pure and simple.
 
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