Apple Introduces New Frameworks and Tools for Developers, Including Xcode 12

[pldelisle]

Thank God that Xcode is not on iPad. It is bad enough that Apple is dumbing down on everything that makes macOS a great OS. Dumbing down a development platform would be a shame.

Let macOS shouls be kept PRO for professionals that need to perform serious tasks. Let IOS/iPadOS be for playing consumers that just need silly apps to do silly things. Merging them would not be sensible. In my personal opinion IOS is not a suitable development platform for any self respecting developer.

You clearly don't know what you are saying.

I'm a developer. And except editing code, my iPad Pro 12.9 does everything my Mac does.

The iPad must have a decent code editor with remote execution. That would be insane. iPadOS is not simply for playing consumer.

 

[amartinez1660]

How are they going to allows cross-platform applications using X11 for the GUI to run on macOS, many of which are not specifically designed for macOS. This includes numerous scientific and academic software projects.

Will I be able to run command line tools from terminal (a python script for example)?
Is python or Rstudio going to work at all?
Is it possible to connect to a server via Terminal and launch a non-Mac applications with its GUI?
What happens to the Unix based language?

I think all scientists got REKT by Tim and his MacOS hipster edition. Why can’t we keep the ****ing desktop OS?

“MacOS hipster edition” hahah, that made me laugh.
Understandable your concerns but wait for it, or if you have time, try to get ahold of a beta if possible (an user explained here already how to get it directly from Apple via terminal, an “untitled” release). The keynote made it seem like no big changes were happening in the end... so maybe that’s how it will be.

 

[pldelisle]

How are they going to allows cross-platform applications using X11 for the GUI to run on macOS, many of which are not specifically designed for macOS. This includes numerous scientific and academic software projects.

Will I be able to run command line tools from terminal (a python script for example)?
Is python or Rstudio going to work at all?
Is it possible to connect to a server via Terminal and launch a non-Mac applications with its GUI?
What happens to the Unix based language?

I think all scientists got REKT by Tim and his MacOS hipster edition. Why can’t we keep the ****ing desktop OS?

Yeah that's a good question. I already used XQuartz and remote GUI apps via SSH, but I can't remember when it was the last time.

Maybe a team will recompile XQuartz to be compatible with macOS 11.0.

One thing is sure, a LOT of changes will have to be made in any rendering/compute applications because neither OpenGL nor OpenCL will make it in the ARM version of macOS. The SoC isn't made for this at all. Maybe Rosetta could emulate this, but it won't be as good as before and far from perfect experience.

I am in academic. I can tell you a lot of things are programmed very fast, by incompetent people, bad engineers that don't know how to code. Maybe it's going to make a big, welcomed, clean up.

 

[hanske68]

You clearly don't know what you are saying.

I'm a developer. And except editing code, my iPad Pro 12.9 does everything my Mac does.

The iPad must have a decent code editor with remote execution. That would be insane. iPadOS is not simply for playing consumer.

I know what I am saying. I know what I see. I see Apple promoting IOS over macOS. I see macOS being dumbed down.

Are you a IOS or a macOS developer? Let me guess: IOS. In that case some selfreflection might be in place, maybe it is not me but you who don't know what he is saying. There is more and better in the world besides IOS.

 

[pldelisle]

I know what I am saying. I know what I see. I see Apple promoting IOS over macOS. I see macOS being dumbed down.

Are you a IOS or a macOS developer? Let me guess: IOS. In that case some selfreflection might be in place, maybe it is not me but you who don't know what he is saying. There is more and better in the world besides IOS.

I’m a machine learning engineer.

 

[hanske68]

I’m a machine learning engineer.

Then make your AI algorithms find smarter suggestions before you come up with the 'solution' to run XCode on WatchOS.

 

[DesertNomad]

Part of me likes the new look and part of me think it makes Apple computers look like Fisher-Price toys.

I could get use to the square icons, but the all white windows are harsh, the sheets no longer slide out the top of the window, the menu spacing reduces what can fit on the screen - it feels like a step in the wrong direction.

 

[mozumder]

no just do your homework like we all do every year.

No, they need an Xcode tutorial. The last one was from like 5 years ago. It's amazing they don't keep their documentation updated.

 

[hanske68]

No, they need an Xcode tutorial. The last one was from like 5 years ago. It's amazing they don't keep their documentation updated.

Though, I am in no need an Xcode tutorial, I agree that Apple should keep their documentation update. Especially API documentation. The de factor standard seems to have become "we made something smart, figure out what and how to use it yourself". Testing and documentation is a development requirements as well as coding. Apple should set high standards for itself and forbid anything to be published without having been properly tested and documented.