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Apple Introduces “Next Generation MacBook Pro” with 15.4″ Retina Display, Starts at $2199

The new MBP is simply incredible. :D

It's going to take Windows pc's a long time to meet the new MBP in specs and awesomeness. Way to raise the bar to an incredible standard Apple.
 
KnightWRX said:
Inches don't translate into screen real-estate. Usable pixel count does.
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No it still translates into screen real-estate. Not to the OS but to your eyes. You will not zoom in as much on a larger screen to display all the info you need. The text on my 15 1080p laptop I have a higher zoom setting than I do on my work laptop which is also 15in but at a lower res. It is a mixture of the 2.

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osofast240sx said:
That's what the HDMI port is for.
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umm HDMI port is Out not in. Providing Apple computer will work with a 3rd party blu ray drive it is not as big of a deal. It is not like these new laptops have an optical drive.
 
macgeek18 said:
The new MBP is simply incredible. :D

It's going to take Windows pc's a long time to meet the new MBP in specs and awesomeness. Way to raise the bar to an incredible standard Apple.
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again more one-sided comment from Apple fanatics. Soldered RAM and 650M GPU? Get with the program, PC laptops already have models with 7970M and 680M available. Buying a new MBP with Retina display is all about cosmetic, like buying a Ferrari with a Honda Civic engine in it.
 
Not liking the old design of magsafe 2 connector. I don't belive that its thinner technology is the reason.
Any ideas why?
 
motulist said:
That's a really good point, I didn't consider that.



You don't understand. EVERYTHING on the screen is larger when the screen resolution is lower (or equivalently lower at a 4x pixel doubling). So sure, you can scale text, but the menu bar will be larger on the screen, all the images will be larger on the screen, all the tool pallets will be larger on the screen, all the buttons will be larger on the screen, etc., and all of that means you have a smaller amount of inches of actual workspace and a smaller amount of objects you can fit on the screen at one time.
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No, YOU don't understand. Only the UI elements get bigger to make them usable, but your actual content enjoys the extra pixels. No one cares about 'inches of workspace' (what a nonsense of concept, btw), it's pixels the stuff that matters.

Think of it as being able to see (and edit) a photo at 50% instead of 25% of its original size. Who cares about the menu bar using the double of pixels in height?
 
anberlinairlift said:
Yeah but I think some would agree that a ridiculously high resolution on a smaller screen can be obnoxious. Yeah, you can fit a lot of stuff on the screen, but everything will be small.
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Better than an ridiculously low resolution on a bigger screen. Let's face it, Apple is missing the ball something fierce here. Their ridiculous insistance on 1440x900 being acceptable for 15.4" screens or 1280x800 being good on 13" screen is ridiculous.

The 130 PPI or so of the old 17" MBP and of the MBAs is barely acceptable. Closer to 160 PPI would be great.

Above those numbers, without HiDPI mode, I agree with you the UI and fonts become too small.

However, the fact remains, inches do not translate into real-estate. A 1920x1200 15" screen provides the same real-estate as a 1920x1200 17" screen. You'll see the same amount of information on both.

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Rodimus Prime said:
No it still translates into screen real-estate. Not to the OS but to your eyes. You will not zoom in as much on a larger screen to display all the info you need. The text on my 15 1080p laptop I have a higher zoom setting than I do on my work laptop which is also 15in but at a lower res. It is a mixture of the 2.
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I have never needed to zoom on a laptop screen. Anything under 160 PPI is perfectly acceptable. Anything under 130 PPI is laughably big, I would actually need a "zoom out" function on those (which includes the base 15" MBP).

Again, talking about usable pixels is what translates into real-estate. For laptops, 15" or 17" makes little difference as both can pretty much display up to 1920x1200 comfortably for most normal humans with glasses or normal vision.
 
it's too expensive for middle class people
even new macbook pro 13" get up 100$

it's all senseless
 
$2200 for a laptop. Very Pricey. Given the lack of easy upgrading this is not worth it.

I have to say Apple really added nothing of value. Upgraded processors added ram. Ram prices ate dirt cheap. SSD prices are rapidly falling as well

Blah. Bummer
 
ressac said:
it's too expensive for middle class people
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It is ? I dropped about 150% (3.5k$) of the price of it yesterday on some wood and screws. :eek:

I think the middle class can afford this no problem. It's just a matter of choice, wants and needs. The price isn't the problem, the price/benefit ratio might be for a few people (I for one don't really need this, dunno if I even want it).
 
A few questions for those that may know:

1) 1920 x 1200 is 16x10, is it not? Is Apple backing off their switch to 16x9? Or is the native resolution still16x9? If so, wouldn't the desktop be distorted by the 1920x1200?

2) My 24" iMac had a resolution of 1920x1200, my current iMacs are 1920x1080. First, wow that's amazing that a 15" notebook will outdo this huge screen I'm staring at now. And second, how the heck can that work? Surely even at 1900x1200 (forget the native resolution of the new MBP) the UI itself must be tiny?
 
KnightWRX said:
It is ? I dropped about 150% (3.5k$) of the price of it yesterday on some wood and screws. :eek:

I think the middle class can afford this no problem. It's just a matter of choice, wants and needs. The price isn't the problem, the price/benefit ratio might be for a few people (I for one don't really need this, dunno if I even want it).
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i live in europe, mid salary here is about 1600 - 1800 euros
new macbook retina cost 2000euros, second hand car cost to me 3000 euros maybe, pay rent for house is about 600-800 euros(even more if it's madrid or barcelona), food is about 200-300 euros

and its mid class in europe bro :)
 
ressac said:
i live in europe, mid salary here is about 1600 - 1800 euros
new macbook retina cost 2000euros, second hand car cost to me 3000 euros maybe, pay rent for house is about 600-800 euros(even more if it's madrid or barcelona), food is about 200-300 euros

and its mid class in europe bro :)
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You can afford 3k$ for a car, but not 2k$ for a laptop ? I don't get it... :confused: last time I checked, 3k$ is more than 2k$.

No frankly sorry, I'm as middle as the next guy and I can afford this no problem. The question is, do I want to buy it ? That answer for me right now is no.
 
funkybudda said:
BEST.
POST.
EVER.

Seriously, the new Macbook Pro with retina display is priced way out of the range of normal consumers. Using outdated GPU (650M) is questionable, with such hi-res screen wouldnt Apple want to use the 7970M or the new 680M? I am holding on to my 2009 Macbook Pro a bit longer, let see what price the 2nd gen Macbook Pro with retina display will cost late next year...

Btw, just order a new PC laptop (Sager NP9150 / Clevo P150EM ), Intel Ivybridge i7-3720QM 2.6GHz, 16GB RAM, 680M 4GB GPU etc. All for $2500 including 3 years extended warranty. Sure, it doesnt have the nice body chassis as the new thinner Macbook Pro and Retina display, but it sure can handle anything that I want to throw at it.
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Normal customers likely don't need such a specialised laptop either.

At 15", I would find it way too buiky to bring around, and its specs would be way too overkill for what most people do. They would be just as well served with a basic MBA or MBP.

This is clearly targeted at people who really need the horsepower, and have no issues with shelling out that much money, because they know they can just as easily earn that amount back. :)
 
KnightWRX said:
You can afford 3k$ for a car, but not 2k$ for a laptop ? I don't get it... :confused: last time I checked, 3k$ is more than 2k$.

No frankly sorry, I'm as middle as the next guy and I can afford this no problem. The question is, do I want to buy it ? That answer for me right now is no.
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Agreed, and the bigger questions I would argue isn't even a matter of affording it. It would be a matter of budgeting and saving up for it. No one has to just come right out and drop $2000 on a laptop in a matter of days.

Anyone can afford whatever they want if they save up, be patient, and spend wisely. I would say my family is lower middle class (we're a bunch of school teachers) and we usually talk about buying a new machine at least a year or more before we actually get it.
 
802.11ac

We will need to see what iFix-it finds out in the tear down of the RMBP. I think it was in 2006 (correct me if I'm wrong) that Apple intoduced 802.11n but didn't activate it until a 2007 driver update was released. ($4.99 I think, but dropped it to $1.99 because of backlash). I wanted two things in a new MBP for me to upgrade, 1) USB 3.0, it's in there, and 2) 802.11ac, waiting to hear from iFix-it. I'm hoping that the teardown will show us a chip that can be activated. With Brodcomm 802.11ac chips now in production I'm not investing in this RMBP just yet.....

Update: the link is on the Main Page now, no 802.11ac chip.

I guess I'm waiting for 2013 RMBP.......... (snif snif)
 
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KnightWRX said:
You can afford 3k$ for a car, but not 2k$ for a laptop ? I don't get it... :confused: last time I checked, 3k$ is more than 2k$.

No frankly sorry, I'm as middle as the next guy and I can afford this no problem. The question is, do I want to buy it ? That answer for me right now is no.
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Comparing a car and a notebook is just plain ignorant, IMO. $3k is cheap for a car and most people need one to get around so it' a matter of living. $2k is high for a notebook and most people do not need one period as it's mostly a luxury, especially at that high price (when if e-mail/communication is all you 'need', a $399 PC notebook is more than adequate). I spent $31k on a car last year and I'd still think twice before buying a $2k notebook, especially one with an outdated GPU and a dire lack of expansion ports like the retina MBP. It's really a question of value regardless of whether one can 'afford' it or not. At that price, I'd rather buy a refurbished 17" MBP (much more useful for my audio production rig with all its expansion and default setup) than this stinker with a mostly useless retina display that is only sharper if you stick your nose against the darn thing it's so small; I use a 27" monitor when docked with my current MBP and not the 15" screen AT ALL because 15" (for daily use) is so 1989 and frankly SUCKS.
 
I can't wait to watch highly compressed itunes "HD" movies on a retina display, I am sure it will look a lot better than a blu ray on my Sony laptop.
 
i think it would be cheaper for me to buy a ticket to China and pay an Apple Factory worker $5 to get me one.

I paid his whole wage for the week! :)
 
Why would somebody pay $2,500 (all said and done) for a laptop that only has 250GB of space and no disc drive?!
 
This new macbook really is amazing!! And i'm happy that the SSD is in fact socketed!! :)

However I will hold off my purchase until the next revision, as I'm worried that it might be suffering from rev.A issues.
 
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