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This is an example of why Apple's here to stay for the long haul. Even when they jump in bed with Communist China, buying the country's acceptance, Apple devotees cheer them on.

Few if any Millennials care, or even know what communism is.

Unable to comprehend, too complacent to educate themselves, too deep in a life of entitlements, they'll never know the difference until it's too late. If they're ever hit by the slap of reality, it's going to be the biggest wake up call of their lives.

You don't seem to be too clear on the subject yourself. It may be totalitarian and opaque, but China hasn't been communist for decades now.
 
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Few if any Millennials care, or even know what communism is.

Unable to comprehend, too complacent to educate themselves, too deep in a life of entitlements, they'll never know the difference until it's too late. If they're ever hit by the slap of reality, it's going to be the biggest wake up call of their lives.

As a millennial, I find your generationist comments deeply offensive.
 
Few if any Millennials care, or even know what communism is.

Unable to comprehend, too complacent to educate themselves, too deep in a life of entitlements, they'll never know the difference until it's too late. If they're ever hit by the slap of reality, it's going to be the biggest wake up call of their lives.
Can I have some of what you've been smoking? The Cold War ended decades ago, and the only communist thing about China is the party's name.

This, on the other hand, is about Apple and global economy.

Sincerely,
A Millennial
Dear Millennial,

Learn more about China. Your age doesn't automatically imply that you're well informed.

Sincerely,
Gen X
That advice cuts both ways, Gen X. In fact, your age may be working against you here if you haven't learned more about China recently. Millennial is correct-- China isn't much of a communist country any more as evidenced by the fact that a foreign corporation just invested a billion dollars of private capital into a privately held domestic company. You can learn that by looking at the article that started all this.
 
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You know, there were a lot of better ideas that Apple could pursue instead of following some half baked plan to enter the hyper-competitive automotive industry. Apple isn't even likely to win this fight, Google simply has better data about the world (higher quality AND quantity) than Apple does.
Lol. Different strategies. Google doesn't have a strategy. They can't even keep their handsets updated let alone roll out an automotive platform coherently. Apple has the cash (waaaaaaaay more than Google ever will) and the right relationships to succeed.
 
I'm not being snarky, I'd actually like some examples of how Japan, Korea, Europe, and China have technologically surpassed America.
Some examples out of my head: high-speed trains, MagLev, extensive, fast and reliable public transportation systems nearly nonexistent in US, fast and cheap internet connection (broadband and unlimited mobile), chip based credit cards that were in use for years, various automatization in Japan (world leader) from automatic toilets to the industrial robots and everything inbetween. US purchases some tech abroad like rocket engines, should we count that too...
 
Lol. Different strategies. Google doesn't have a strategy. They can't even keep their handsets updated let alone roll out an automotive platform coherently. Apple has the cash (waaaaaaaay more than Google ever will) and the right relationships to succeed.

You say something like this - and then it makes me think of how much (or little) they've actually done with Siri compared to the recent presentation of VIVs capabilities. Apple certainly has the resources and access - but that doesn't guarantee anything in regards to success.
 
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As far as I know, homosexual aren't wildly accepted in China. Discrimination towards homosexual is still high in China. However, China has long decriminalized homosexual and no homosexual were sent to jail or sentenced to death.

I personal know some homosexual friends in China, they are all free and sound.

I was referring more to Middle Eastern countries, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, etc.
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I don't get why you guys are fussing with the feigned outrage. Capitalism trumps all, and to think otherwise is breathtakingly naive.

This is business. Apple is a multinational corporation. The Didi investment is probably a combination of intelligence-gathering about the Chinese market and "pay to play."

I fully understand and am about as cutthroat of a capitalist as you can be. My only outrage is towards folks believing these companies are altruistic when they make statements about boycotts in support of various causes and then go do things in foreign countries that are much worse policies toward these causes. IE, company X cares about gay marriage because they made these statements. No, they think it will improve public opinion in the US to make those statements and that folks won't pay attention when they then do business in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Dubai, etc.

In agreement that it's a intelligence gather and pay to play move.
 
... My only outrage is towards folks believing these companies are altruistic when they make statements about boycotts in support of various causes and then go do things in foreign countries that are much worse policies toward these causes. IE, company X cares about gay marriage because they made these statements. No, they think it will improve public opinion in the US to make those statements and that folks won't pay attention when they then do business in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Dubai, etc. ...
You have to first develop enough influence for your statements to matter. A boycott isn't terribly effective if you aren't participating in the economy to begin with...
 
I'm a millenial and I know a little bit about China.
Unless you've spent some time in China and have dealt with the issues of the lives of Chinese people, you shouldn't comment on China.

While China is not a purely communist country, it still is very much a centralized authoritarian state ruled by unelected officials.
The only reason why they're not a pure communist country is because they tried that and it led to massive famines and starvations, killing millions of people.
However, the government does all the things the politically left-leaning people in America seem to love: provide healthcare, free education, centralized planning of economic projects, tight control of foreign exchange and banking, censorship of offensive speech, etc etc.... doesn't it sound just great? /s

Ironically, or not so ironically depending on your point of view, economic inequality and lack of economic mobility are usually much bigger problems in communist countries than in USA.
 
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You know, there were a lot of better ideas that Apple could pursue instead of following some half baked plan to enter the hyper-competitive automotive industry. Apple isn't even likely to win this fight, Google simply has better data about the world (higher quality AND quantity) than Apple does.

Hypercompetitive is not. Basically, it's a completely new market, and Apple has WAY more resources than any carmaker or tech company in the world.

Data, the gap is closing quickly, there will be no gap in 2020. Mapping is a problem you can simply throw money at, and Apple has plenty.
 
I'm a millenial and I know a little bit about China.
Unless you've spent some time in China and have dealt with the issues of the lives of Chinese people, you shouldn't comment on China.

While China is not a purely communist country, it still is very much a centralized authoritarian state ruled by unelected officials.
The only reason why they're not a pure communist country is because they tried that and it led to massive famines and starvations, killing millions of people.
However, the government does all the things the politically left-leaning people in America seem to love: provide healthcare, free education, centralized planning of economic projects, tight control of foreign exchange and banking, censorship of offensive speech, etc etc.... doesn't it sound just great? /s

Ironically, or not so ironically depending on your point of view, economic inequality and lack of economic mobility are usually much bigger problems in communist countries than in USA.
Ok, so we are still having trouble with understanding what "communism" means. People seem to want to use it to mean "countries I don't like that also provide free education and health care". Of course, even by that definition, China isn't communist, but we won't let that stand in the way of epistemological closure.

As to your claim that left leaning policies lead to less economic mobility?

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Nope. (Higher values indicate higher intergenerational income elasticity, ie. lower economic mobility)

China does have a very high elasticity rating, close to 0.74 or so, but if you can't understand the complexity of the causes and just start throwing around the word "communism" to mean "what the American left loves", you'll never understand why.
 
Apple really shouldn't throw away money on China. Chinese government could snap their fingers and ban all Apple products tomorrow. There is no potential with a neurotic crazy communist govt that enforces protectionism and doesnt want to see American/western companies succeed.
 
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Interesting strategic move. Apple is a Chinese manufacturer developing a self-driving car for a Chinese ride sharing company.
 
This is an example of why Apple's here to stay for the long haul. Even when they jump in bed with Communist China, buying the country's acceptance, Apple devotees cheer them on.

Few if any Millennials care, or even know what communism is.

Unable to comprehend, too complacent to educate themselves, too deep in a life of entitlements, they'll never know the difference until it's too late. If they're ever hit by the slap of reality, it's going to be the biggest wake up call of their lives.
None of us "millennials" are old enough to have lived through a time when China was actually communist, so we don't have the idea stuck in our heads that China is communist. It hasn't been communist in decades. If you think it has been, you're mixing up communism and authoritarianism.
 
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Ok, so we are still having trouble with understanding what "communism" means. People seem to want to use it to mean "countries I don't like that also provide free education and health care". Of course, even by that definition, China isn't communist, but we won't let that stand in the way of epistemological closure.

As to your claim that left leaning policies lead to less economic mobility?

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Nope. (Higher values indicate higher intergenerational income elasticity, ie. lower economic mobility)

China does have a very high elasticity rating, close to 0.74 or so, but if you can't understand the complexity of the causes and just start throwing around the word "communism" to mean "what the American left loves", you'll never understand why.

Communism is an ideology that has evolved over time.

Chinese government calls themselves communist and I'm taking their word for it over a theoretical definition, but hey apparently you're here to pontificate over the Chinese government on how they're not communists as they claim, so more power to you.

Regarding economic mobility, majority of US Forbes' list billionaires are self-made, so US is doing just fine.

Economic mobility isn't the end all be all goal of an economy to have the highest economic mobility, if it comes via infringing on individual liberty and property rights.
But I'm sure you're for confiscatory taxes (i.e. stealing other people's property) so here is a link to volunteer first: https://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html
 
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And exactly where in that article do they talk about autonomous vehicles or automation at all? You know, the subject of the conversation.
You're absolutely dense.

China is upgrading its manufacturing to include lots of automation. Something you said would create dead politicians. I call you out on you asinine logic and you ignorance of the Chinese situation, and you switch topic.

Good job. Keep showing us all how stupid you really all. Lower your credibility on these forums more.
 
Communism is an ideology that has evolved over time.

Chinese government calls themselves communist and I'm taking their word for it over a theoretical definition, but hey apparently you're here to pontificate over the Chinese government on how they're not communists as they claim, so more power to you.
Taking North Korea at their word sure makes democratic republics look bad... I hope you don't live in one of those!

Communism hasn't changed meaning over time-- countries have moved away from being communist. China may still claim to have a Communist Party, but that's an attempt to give the government legitimacy by feigning continuity with history. But hey, you know that because you started your conversation by saying you know all about China and the struggles of the Chinese people.

The reason these distinctions are important is because someone reading your comments would tend to believe that the problem in China is that private ownership of property or businesses is illegal when that isn't the case. The problems in China are complex, but at least some of it comes from what would be better described as Crony Capitalism.
Ironically, or not so ironically depending on your point of view, economic inequality and lack of economic mobility are usually much bigger problems in communist countries than in USA.
Regarding economic mobility, majority of US Forbes' list billionaires are self-made, so US is doing just fine.

Economic mobility isn't the end all be all goal of an economy to have the highest economic mobility, if it comes via infringing on individual liberty and property rights.
Ok... Well, at least you're willing to adjust your position when presented with facts.
 
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Some examples out of my head: high-speed trains, MagLev, extensive, fast and reliable public transportation systems nearly nonexistent in US, fast and cheap internet connection (broadband and unlimited mobile), chip based credit cards that were in use for years, various automatization in Japan (world leader) from automatic toilets to the industrial robots and everything inbetween. US purchases some tech abroad like rocket engines, should we count that too...

Those are examples of political, cultural, social differences, not that we've fallen behind. We have and are researching the tech you listed and beyond (Hyperloop, Amazon's warehouses, Apple Pay), we've just been coasting on the infrastructure from the 20th century due to a combination of cultural preference (older generations of Americans worshipped their cars and how it symbolized independence), lack of political will (our politicians should have forced chip & pin long ago), and priorities (we can put a jeep on Mars but have to bum rides to space). At this point in world history, with multinational corporations being king, every wealthy nation has access to the technology they need. It's all about what that nation's priorities are.
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You're absolutely dense.

China is upgrading its manufacturing to include lots of automation. Something you said would create dead politicians. I call you out on you asinine logic and you ignorance of the Chinese situation, and you switch topic.

Good job. Keep showing us all how stupid you really all. Lower your credibility on these forums more.

I don't know why I'm responding since you're obviously a troll, but let's try this again. I said, "Driverless cars = dead politicians. Too much automation in general = dead politicians." I stand by those statements. Now, you may not understand this, but too much automation does not mean there will be no automation. It means there is a limit to how much China (or any nation, for that matter) can allow automation before it throws people into unemployment and creates social unrest. You keep trying to throw out that I said China is not or could not automate manufacturing. I did not. You are a liar as well as rude.
 
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I don't know why I'm responding since you're obviously a troll, but let's try this again. I said, "Driverless cars = dead politicians. Too much automation in general = dead politicians." I stand by those statements. Now, you may not understand this, but too much automation does not mean there will be no automation. It means there is a limit to how much China (or any nation, for that matter) can allow automation before it throws people into unemployment and creates social unrest. You keep trying to throw out that I said China is not or could not automate manufacturing. I did not. You are a liar as well as rude.

Lol... Whatever you say m8.
 
Those are examples of political, cultural, social differences, not that we've fallen behind. We have and are researching the tech you listed and beyond (Hyperloop, Amazon's warehouses, Apple Pay), we've just been coasting on the infrastructure from the 20th century due to a combination of cultural preference (older generations of Americans worshipped their cars and how it symbolized independence), lack of political will (our politicians should have forced chip & pin long ago), and priorities (we can put a jeep on Mars but have to bum rides to space). At this point in world history, with multinational corporations being king, every wealthy nation has access to the technology they need. It's all about what that nation's priorities are.
In theory Hawaii also has access to any technology, just open the books and internet and find some money. In practice and real world US in some areas is behind other countries regardless of the reasons.
 
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