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Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by h4lp m3, Oct 5, 2011.
What the hell am I missing?
iOS share has been and still is greater than Android share. We're talking operating system share here. Not smartphone share.
Don't get the two confused.
There is no debate about this. No one is lying here, but some sources are getting device share tangled up with operation system share.
Consider that Android only really plays in the smartphone segment, while iOS commands a large chunk of the smartphone segment, dominates in the tablet segment, and dominates in the media player segment.
i think when apple talks ios mobile share, they include iphones, ipod touches, and ipads in the figure. everybody else talks only iphone.
US != The World. Worldwide, Android has the overall market share. In the US, iOS has it. That's pretty much the end of it.
What's intersting is that in the graphic for "Mobile Installed Base", Windows Phone, Windows Mobile, as well as every single dumb phone OS is lumped into 7%. Somehow (especially since MS has ~7%), that seems off.
Four different things are being measured.
1) Ad impressions delivered by Millennial Media by mobile OS
2) Web usage share by mobile OS
3) US smartphone Market share? (These numbers seem wrong.)
4) US mobile OS Installed Base
Nope, not even true. The last Comscore numbers points US market share at 43% for Android and 27% for iOS.
The fact is, Apple were talking "overall" installed base, something that is really hard to figure out actually. Comscore and other research firms go for sales during a single quarter.
No. It isn't the end of it, because you're wrong.
iOS has overall global market share (for all devices) over Android.
iPhones, iPods, iPads, etc. Anything that runs iOS. Worldwide.
In terms of worldwide total OS share (for all devices, including computers), android is in 6th place.
I'm pretty sure Apple doesn't recognise dumbphones as phones. That would be a smartphone only depiction.
Thats nice. However, I'm pretty certain that the rest of us are talking about smartphones,otherwise it is a pretty ****ing unair comparison don' you think?
Your point for once however, holds strength. With many data variables,different results occur when the variables are different.
Why is it unfair? Even taking computers out of the picture and considering Mobile devices, iOS is the dominant mobile OS. Mobile is the big thing now, right? Tablets included. Android is nowhere in tablets and it's a key segment.
Counting only smartphones is irresponsible and fallacious when we're looking at operating system share. The days are gone when "mobile" meant just smartphones.
Smartphones at this point are just a piece of the Post-PC puzzle. The industry has expanded well beyond smartphones. The most important piece, and the foundation for computing moving forward is not the smartphone.
It's the tablet.
The interesting thing to ask is, why can't Google translate their smartphone share to tablet share? Frankly, the tablet market is not like the smartphone market. There are no contracts. It's in the tablet market where you really see the true mettle of an OS, especially in terms of actual computing usability.
The takeaway from the operating system share numbers is that Google at this point doesn't have what it takes to compete in the tablet segment, and Apple is running away with it.
In terms of strict smartphone share (since so many folks love to limit themselves to that), it takes an ocean of Android smartphones to compete with Apple's lowly one (at most two) smartphones - which by themselves, just those two phones - account for nearly 30% US share. No, not 20 phones. Not 15. Not even 5. All Apple needed are at most, 2, in order to achieve that. That's really saying something.
So this comes as no surprise:
Despite an ocean of Android smartphones, the iPhone is still the #1 selling smartphone.
Do you consider a Motorola Charm a "smartphone"? How about a Comet? I don't.
That's an easy one. Perhaps you're unaware that Galaxy Tab sales have been banned. Apple plays the victim, spends huge sums of money to prevail in court and thrills at the unfair advantage they've created.
Why allow Samsung to compete when it's so satisfying to shut them out? Apple loves their role as a bully.
Personally I don't give a flip. I use both. Having Android & iOS to use concurrently keeps me up to date via first hand experience. It's the best for my preferences.
Just a note about how ComScore determines mobile ownership:
They're not doing sales numbers and they're not doing random polls. Instead, they have 30,000 registered US users that report back what devices they're using. It's always the same group.
So it might be a more realistic view of actual ownership, but of course it can take a while to show a trend, as those users have to wait for contracts to end in order to buy something new, etc, just like everyone else.
What would be nice to know, without buying their reports, is what the demographics is of those special 30,000 people.
Anyway, my only point is, you have to understand the numbers from each reporting agency, as almost all of them are just advertising to get buyers for their white paper products... and controversial headlines help with that.
Why does it matter what I recognise as a smartphone? I didn't make the chart.
I wasn't aware the only Android tablet on the market is the Galaxy Tab.
Further, the Galaxy Tab has not been banned everywhere (there is no US injunction, for example.) Even before the bans elsewhere it just fizzled.
I think you should define what exactly you classify as a smart phone.
Right now I tend to go look at what do the carriers classify as a smart phone. They have low end crap to the high end. Some of those smart phones like the comet and charm are crap but they still fall in what is defined as a smart phone.
they are competing. it's just with lawyers right now and over entirely different goals.
the law suits are more for media headlines to potentially reduce Samsung's brand equity and thus raising the barrier of entry in mimicking Apple's end-to-end business model with Bada. maybe it's some big secret in the US, but in Korea, Samsung has quite plainly stated they do not want to be forever tethered to Google.
at some point the lawsuits will fizzle out because legal battles are not Apple or Samsung's core competencies. most of the time legal issues are huge expenses, i'm sure equity holders for both companies would rather the CEOs turn the cash expenditure into capex as to increase firm value or use it to payout dividends.
but as of right now, this is healthy competition from a business perspective.
Update to add:
"The Samsung executive later said that ”we will see if (the Galaxy Nexus) will be 100 percent free”, adding that the litigation between the two companies was “just a start and will last for a considerable time”.
That didn’t stop Shin from criticising Apple, remarking that Apple wouldn’t gain much from its legal action, but Samsung is losing “the pride in our brand”.
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It's not less fair than comparing iPhone to 'Android'... Anyway, Google itself is looking at iOS as a whole and with reason, for instance when, during that hearing at the US Senate, its representative stated that 2/3 of Google mobile-search was generated by iOS.
On top of that, the thing with Android is that it powers a wide range of devices that goes from quasi-"dumbphones" to the high-end handsets by the likes of HTC, Samsung et al. It's widely documented that iPhone users are using their device much more than Android users when it comes to the evolved features of a modern smartphone.