Apple iPad Lock-In


Gav2k

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Jul 24, 2009
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Nothing hat hasn't been said before tbh.

The 30pin connector being slated is a bit poor though. It saves scattered ports for various things and ties them all into one connector.

As for flash it's buggy on a full blown system why do they think it'll be better on anything else.
 

MacDawg

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Mar 20, 2004
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"Between the Hedges"
The article is just a rehash of things that have been repeated over and over since the iPad was announced

It will be nice when the iPad actually comes out
Maybe then reviewers will actually have hands on experience with it and have something new to say
 

Chundles

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Jul 4, 2005
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Why do people think this is a computer?

It's a device for running apps, web, email, media content and creation without the complexity of a computer.
 

voidptr

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This is the same reason that Apple doesn’t include an accessible file system on the iPhone/iPod/iPad. Apple doesn’t want you to store any content on your device that didn’t come from iTunes.
OS 3.2 has new provisions for shared folders over the USB sync cable for iPad applications to use.
 

4DThinker

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Why do people think this is a computer? It's a device for running apps, web, email, media content and creation without the complexity of a computer.
Gee, what would anyone with common sense call a device that could run applications, get and display your email, play your media? We call a computer a computer. Deny reality if you want, but not calling it a computer doesn't keep it from being one. Of course that leads to the complaints. Apple makes a great tablet computer, then cripples it. You'll need denial to defend your Apple lust.
 

sassenach74

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voidptr said:
This is the same reason that Apple doesn’t include an accessible file system on the iPhone/iPod/iPad. Apple doesn’t want you to store any content on your device that didn’t come from iTunes.
OS 3.2 has new provisions for shared folders over the USB sync cable for iPad applications to use.
And I have plenty of stuff on my iPhone that didn't come from iTunes so void comment.
 

smiddlehurst

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Gee, what would anyone with common sense call a device that could run applications, get and display your email, play your media? We call a computer a computer. Deny reality if you want, but not calling it a computer doesn't keep it from being one. Of course that leads to the complaints. Apple makes a great tablet computer, then cripples it. You'll need denial to defend your Apple lust.
ARGH!

No, Apple haven't crippled the iPad and I'm so sick and tired of seeing this bloody argument spewed forth. They have built a computer that's NOT TARGETED AT GEEKS! How hard is that to understand, really. What Apple have done is targeted the average user who doesn't give a toss about being able to install the latest version of Linux or tweak system settings to get a 1% performance boost or hook up seventeen USB devices at a time.

They've built a device that is targetted firmly at the non-techie. The sort of person who spends the VAST amount of their computing time reading e-mail, browsing the web, accessing their media and maybe playing the occasional game. The sort of person who, in a Windows world, tend to get caught out with viri and trojans not because they're stupid but because they don't have the time or desire to really learn the ins-and-outs of how that sort of thing works. The sort of person who buys a Netbook not because it's so portable and lets you remote-connect to your server farm whenever you get a SMS alert but because it's cheap. And guess what folks, there's a HELL of a lot more of that sort of person out there than there are of tech nerds.

I really wish that some people would get that through their heads, that this is a case of useability and minimal maintenance being more important than the last word in functionality and that for some people that is a trade-off they'll happily make. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong and, guess what, there's a thousand other options out there that'll fit your needs far better than a tablet ever will. The question, of course, is how many people there are that really want such a device and whether it'll be an Apple TV or a Wii in terms of general interest. Only time will answer that but at least there's one company out there willing to take that risk, ignore the geeks and see what happens.
 

applebum

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Gee, what would anyone with common sense call a device that could run applications, get and display your email, play your media? We call a computer a computer. Deny reality if you want, but not calling it a computer doesn't keep it from being one. Of course that leads to the complaints. Apple makes a great tablet computer, then cripples it. You'll need denial to defend your Apple lust.
So...you are saying that both the iPhone and iPod Touch are computers as well then???
 

bossxii

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That is some narrow minded bloggers. I probably haven't spent 100 bucks in 3 years form iTunes on my iPhone, most of that would be apps. I don't own a movie from iTunes, I may have purchased 20 songs, the rest are my own CD's and DVD movies ripped to iTunes. I import tons of content and iTunes is simply the software I sync my iPhone with.

No usb doesn't limit anything unless your a complete idiot and can't plug in a 30 pin port the right way. Your not even 100% restricted to iTunes, their are other means to drag and drop media. I know of 3 or 4 for Windows such as Mediamonkey, Winamp (with a plugin), Sharepod and a few others I have run across. I think there is even one for Linux called GPod? or similar. I've also heard of a few for Mac's. It's amazing with Google and Bing you would get such closed mind thinking and blogging, but then again any blogger probably thinks all they need to know... they blog about.

Anyone that creates blog's like this are one of two things.
1) Ignorant
2) Simply won't want to acknowledge the facts of what is easy to find within a seconds on Google.
 

Night Spring

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Jul 17, 2008
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So...you are saying that both the iPhone and iPod Touch are computers as well then???
They *are* computers. You can run apps on them. They have a file system, even though it is hidden from the user. You can create and edit texts, drawings, databases, spreadsheets on them. You can email, browse the web, chat... Sure, they are not as powerful as a modern-day desktop/laptop, but they are more powerful and full-featured than my first computer from back in the late '80s / early '90s.
 

JonHimself

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More like "without the functionality of a computer."
I suppose I "get it" in terms of understand where people come from when they say it's a crippled computer, or a poor excuse for a computer... but wouldn't it be more correct to think of it as a DIFFERENT computer? I mean, a graphing calculator hardly stacks up to a Mac Pro, but in a literal sense, they're just different types of computers.
When I say I get it, it's because I can see that, generally, the way we understand things is by comparing them to other things we do know - to show what they are and what they aren't - it just takes a little bit of an open-mind to see things for what they are or could be, not why they're terrible because they don't have x,y and z like another computer would.
 

chriszzz

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They *are* computers. You can run apps on them. They have a file system, even though it is hidden from the user. You can create and edit texts, drawings, databases, spreadsheets on them. You can email, browse the web, chat... Sure, they are not as powerful as a modern-day desktop/laptop, but they are more powerful and full-featured than my first computer from back in the late '80s / early '90s.
Computer - ": one that computes; specifically : a programmable usually electronic device that can store, retrieve, and process data"
from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/computer

Technically almost any modern electronic device is a computer. A microwave, calculator, cell phone, TV, DVD player, air conditioner, etc...

However, most people use one distinct feature to classify a device as a computer. A desktop or server class operating system

This is why an iPad is not a 'computer' in the normal usage of the word.
 

Night Spring

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Jul 17, 2008
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However, most people use one distinct feature to classify a device as a computer. A desktop or server class operating system
What exactly is a "desktop or server class operating system"? What features do they have that the iPad/iPhone don't have?

To repeat what I said before, early desktops had a lot less features/functions than the iPhone does currently, but they were still considered computers. Are we going to retroactively say, "oops, those weren't really computers"? On the flip side, if the iPhone or the iPad (which with its larger screen, is much more likley to do everything an early computer did) does do everything the early desktop computers did, why shouldn't they be considered computers also?
 

jb1280

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Jan 13, 2009
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The fact that he perpetuates the myth that you have to purchased media through iTunes impeaches his credibility. Yes, you may have to sync it through iTunes, but users are in no way obliged to purchase or rent media through iTunes.

On flash, only until it is possible for Flash to run on iPhone OS with negligible hit in performance and power consumption can we even begin to speculate on more cynical reasons for exclusion.

On locking, well every modern device is locked in some respect or another.
 

4DThinker

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Mar 15, 2008
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So...you are saying that both the iPhone and iPod Touch are computers as well then???
Yes. And both computers have capabilities appropriate for their form factor. The iPod Nano is also a computer. My watch is a computer, although I don't yet know how to add apps to it. It IS already very capable for it's form factor. ;)
 

marksman

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Jun 4, 2007
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People claiming the iPad is not a computer are ignorant or being intentionally stupid.
 

admanimal

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Apr 22, 2005
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To me, the practical definition of a computer includes some notion of general purpose-ness. So while technically an iPod nano, digital watch, DVD player, your car, etc. might all have computers in them, they aren't computers in the practical sense that they can only do the one or two things they are designed to do. Devices like the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, etc. are all computers in the practical sense that they can do pretty much whatever you want, with the appropriate software.
 

Chundles

macrumors G4
Jul 4, 2005
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ARGH!

No, Apple haven't crippled the iPad and I'm so sick and tired of seeing this bloody argument spewed forth. They have built a computer that's NOT TARGETED AT GEEKS! How hard is that to understand, really. What Apple have done is targeted the average user who doesn't give a toss about being able to install the latest version of Linux or tweak system settings to get a 1% performance boost or hook up seventeen USB devices at a time.

They've built a device that is targetted firmly at the non-techie. The sort of person who spends the VAST amount of their computing time reading e-mail, browsing the web, accessing their media and maybe playing the occasional game. The sort of person who, in a Windows world, tend to get caught out with viri and trojans not because they're stupid but because they don't have the time or desire to really learn the ins-and-outs of how that sort of thing works. The sort of person who buys a Netbook not because it's so portable and lets you remote-connect to your server farm whenever you get a SMS alert but because it's cheap. And guess what folks, there's a HELL of a lot more of that sort of person out there than there are of tech nerds.

I really wish that some people would get that through their heads, that this is a case of useability and minimal maintenance being more important than the last word in functionality and that for some people that is a trade-off they'll happily make. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong and, guess what, there's a thousand other options out there that'll fit your needs far better than a tablet ever will. The question, of course, is how many people there are that really want such a device and whether it'll be an Apple TV or a Wii in terms of general interest. Only time will answer that but at least there's one company out there willing to take that risk, ignore the geeks and see what happens.
Yes. 100% true.
 

firewood

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Jul 29, 2003
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However, most people use one distinct feature to classify a device as a computer. A desktop or server class operating system
The iPhone (and iPod Touch and iPad) run pretty much the same primary OS services and OS kernel as the Mac and the XServe. Any ($99) developer can (and some have) build and install server class apps (there's lots of cool stuff that has never been submitted to the App store :) which are as powerful the biggest mainframe computers ran a decade or so back.

Most dummies just don't have the skills to pay the extra $99 and do something with their dev certificates.

On the other hand, thank Apple that for the $99 discount (device with no dev certificate), they provide a product that's quite bullet proof for people's grandmoms.
 

johndango

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It's a little messed up that you can't have expandable memory. You can get like 16GB SD cards for like $30. But instead I'm forced to spend 100 extra dollars with Apple so I can get a little more room. Apple is definitely protecting their bottom line more then they are caring about the consumer. Oh well.
 

jb1280

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Jan 13, 2009
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It's a little messed up that you can't have expandable memory. You can get like 16GB SD cards for like $30. But instead I'm forced to spend 100 extra dollars with Apple so I can get a little more room. Apple is definitely protecting their bottom line more then they are caring about the consumer. Oh well.
But consumers apparently would rather have an allegedly locked system with built-in batteries and non-expandable memory that has a great user experience. Or so the number 250 million iPods might suggest.