I wasn't talking about me. I was implying those people who saved or pawned to get enough money to buy it.
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I wasn't talking about me. I was implying those people who saved or pawned to get enough money to buy it.
seriously?
ok my first question is=do you work for apple?
if you don't i dunno know it seems like u think apple can do no wrong.
you have come back at every comment i have made like you designed the iphone yourself, and you're just P.O.'D that i don't think that sending off your phone to get the battery replaced is a great idea.
i don't get it, you just can't accept the fact that some people don't like this idea. there are other factors that influence me not wanting an iphone, and this is like 5% of the total.
it's barely a reason for me, but i still have the right to think it sucks. and i have to add that you are completely wrong about my idea for an internal plug for the battery instead of it being soldered in. have you ever seen the inside of a pro RC car? the batteries use a gigantic version of what i'm refferring to. i've seen these tiny plugs on pc parts. much smaller than fan plug, but same principal. i think my old cordless phone had a similar plug. you claim that it would "add size and weight" totally incorrect. the super small plug probably weighs about the same as a blob of solder, and wouldn't add any real size. i never said it should have an external detachable battery, so i'm not sure why you got the idea that i wanted that. my suggestion was, add the plug instead of the solder, then you can take it to an APPLE store (that way it would be "internal", as many apple stores have a tech dept, i know this as one of my good friends works in it). in addition, it would make it easier for some at&t stores to do the same. that way the customer walks in, gets a new battery installed by a "professional" and walks out with their same phone without having to wait. it can't be that hard to remove the case, as i'm sure there's some specialized tool.
and you are also confusing what i meant by the privacy issue. many people won't know about erasing their phone data, and some people won't be able to if their battery is indeed dead. so how are you gonna erase data off of a phone with a dead battery? sure, paranoid types will rush to the store as soon as their battery shows the first signs of death, but most normal people will procrastinate and do it when they have to.
i know for a fact that simply removing a sim card doesn't erase 100% of your data. i have an old LG right now in my drawer that i can pop the sim out, and still get my numbers off of when i fire it up. i can't use the phone to make a call, and it tells me that there is no sim present, but i can still get to my numbers. people don't want to send there phone books out to some tech dept they don't know so whoever can get into it. doesn't matter if it's apple or somebody else.
and although it isn't that difficult to switch out a sim to a loaner phone and sync your data, it's still an inconvenience, and you'll have to do it again once you get your phone or the refurb back from apple. that's way more steps than what i suggested.
walk into apple store with dead/dying battery. techie or apple employee switches out battery. boom. you walk out with same phone, no syncing, no switching to loaner, no waiting.
why is that such an insane concept to you? if the apple techs at the stores can do computer repairs then why not switch a battery? is it alien technology that apple doesn't want anyone to see? no way, it's just more profitable to charge for a loaner and the replacement. how much do you really think that battery is worth? i hope you don't think it really cost apple $80. and then they get to charge for the loaner phone to all the impatient people who simply can't live in this society without their cells. crazy people. not wanting to wait three days or more. what are they thinking? let's charge em $30 for their impatience.
and oh my god YES, i said it wasn't that big of a deal for the ipod, but they COULD have made it differently with no ill effects, just as i described above. but an ipod is a music/video device ONLY, not a personal phone. it's a lot different. to have to go thru all that bs to switch a battery for an essential device like a cell phone is crappy, i don't care what you can sync and how easy you think it is. it's 3 or 4 extra steps that you shouldn't HAVE to to take. a cell phone IS a personal device for a lot of people, and they don't want to have to get a refurb simply because they needed a new battery. why this is so difficult for you to accept is beyond my understanding. all i can guess is that you are simply IN LOVE with the iphone, and can't stand for anyone to blemish her reputation, even if what they say is true. APPLE COULD HAVE MADE IT EASIER TO REPLACE THE BATTERY SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO SEND IT OFF AND GO THRU THE EXTRA BS, WITHOUT ADDING SIZE OR WEIGHT OR CHANGING ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THE PRODUCT-A TINY PLUG INSTEAD OF SOLDER IS ALL IT WOULD HAVE TOOK. THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT BUT YOU CANNOT ACCEPT THIS IDEA APPARENTLY.
ok my first question is=do you work for apple?
if you don't i dunno know it seems like u think apple can do no wrong.
you have come back at every comment i have made like you designed the iphone yourself, and you're just P.O.'D that i don't think that sending off your phone to get the battery replaced is a great idea.
i don't get it, you just can't accept the fact that some people don't like this idea. there are other factors that influence me not wanting an iphone, and this is like 5% of the total.
it's barely a reason for me, but i still have the right to think it sucks. and i have to add that you are completely wrong about my idea for an internal plug for the battery instead of it being soldered in. have you ever seen the inside of a pro RC car? the batteries use a gigantic version of what i'm refferring to. i've seen these tiny plugs on pc parts. much smaller than fan plug, but same principal. i think my old cordless phone had a similar plug. you claim that it would "add size and weight" totally incorrect. the super small plug probably weighs about the same as a blob of solder, and wouldn't add any real size. i never said it should have an external detachable battery, so i'm not sure why you got the idea that i wanted that. my suggestion was, add the plug instead of the solder, then you can take it to an APPLE store (that way it would be "internal", as many apple stores have a tech dept, i know this as one of my good friends works in it). in addition, it would make it easier for some at&t stores to do the same. that way the customer walks in, gets a new battery installed by a "professional" and walks out with their same phone without having to wait. it can't be that hard to remove the case, as i'm sure there's some specialized tool.
and you are also confusing what i meant by the privacy issue. many people won't know about erasing their phone data, and some people won't be able to if their battery is indeed dead. so how are you gonna erase data off of a phone with a dead battery? sure, paranoid types will rush to the store as soon as their battery shows the first signs of death, but most normal people will procrastinate and do it when they have to.
i know for a fact that simply removing a sim card doesn't erase 100% of your data. i have an old LG right now in my drawer that i can pop the sim out, and still get my numbers off of when i fire it up. i can't use the phone to make a call, and it tells me that there is no sim present, but i can still get to my numbers. people don't want to send there phone books out to some tech dept they don't know so whoever can get into it. doesn't matter if it's apple or somebody else.
and although it isn't that difficult to switch out a sim to a loaner phone and sync your data, it's still an inconvenience, and you'll have to do it again once you get your phone or the refurb back from apple. that's way more steps than what i suggested.
walk into apple store with dead/dying battery. techie or apple employee switches out battery. boom. you walk out with same phone, no syncing, no switching to loaner, no waiting.
why is that such an insane concept to you? if the apple techs at the stores can do computer repairs then why not switch a battery? is it alien technology that apple doesn't want anyone to see? no way, it's just more profitable to charge for a loaner and the replacement. how much do you really think that battery is worth? i hope you don't think it really cost apple $80. and then they get to charge for the loaner phone to all the impatient people who simply can't live in this society without their cells. crazy people. not wanting to wait three days or more. what are they thinking? let's charge em $30 for their impatience.
and oh my god YES, i said it wasn't that big of a deal for the ipod, but they COULD have made it differently with no ill effects, just as i described above. but an ipod is a music/video device ONLY, not a personal phone. it's a lot different. to have to go thru all that bs to switch a battery for an essential device like a cell phone is crappy, i don't care what you can sync and how easy you think it is. it's 3 or 4 extra steps that you shouldn't HAVE to to take. a cell phone IS a personal device for a lot of people, and they don't want to have to get a refurb simply because they needed a new battery. why this is so difficult for you to accept is beyond my understanding. all i can guess is that you are simply IN LOVE with the iphone, and can't stand for anyone to blemish her reputation, even if what they say is true. APPLE COULD HAVE MADE IT EASIER TO REPLACE THE BATTERY SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO SEND IT OFF AND GO THRU THE EXTRA BS, WITHOUT ADDING SIZE OR WEIGHT OR CHANGING ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THE PRODUCT-A TINY PLUG INSTEAD OF SOLDER IS ALL IT WOULD HAVE TOOK. THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT BUT YOU CANNOT ACCEPT THIS IDEA APPARENTLY.
Within the first year, isn't the battery replaced for free like an ipod? and within 2 years with applecare?
The whole battery thing is kind of touchy, since it's a 'consumable'. A battery's performance and longevity depends on how it's used.
I'm sure Apple has some guidelines on what constitutes a well- and poor-performing battery, based on the number of charge cycles and overall battery capacity.
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
I TOLD YOU SO !!!!
i kept bringing this up and people said it wasn't a big deal they couldn't change the battery themselves.
I saw this coming for a long time, sorry none of you didn't.
I TOLD YOU SO !!!!
i kept bringing this up and people said it wasn't a big deal they couldn't change the battery themselves.
I saw this coming for a long time, sorry none of you didn't.
Very true. Nevertheless, ipods can have battery replaced in year 1, and 2 years, if you buy Applecare.
Battery not under warranty, unless 'defective'
From Apple:
Your one-year warranty includes replacement coverage for a defective battery. You can extend your coverage to two years from the date of your iPhone purchase with the AppleCare Protection Plan for iPhone, which is expected to be available in summer 2007. During the plans coverage period, Apple will replace the battery if it drops below 50% of its original capacity. If it is out of warranty, Apple offers a battery replacement for $79, plus $6.95 shipping, subject to local tax. Apple disposes of your battery in an environmentally friendly manner.
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It will be interesting to see how Apple deals with the issue of heavy usage, versus defective. With all of the battery issues people have been experiencing, I hope they err on the side of the consumer. $79 + $6.95 + sales tax, ain't chicken feed, especially when you have to give up your phone.
I've read that the reason why the battery has to be replaced by Apple, is that they're soldered on, and can't be removed by anyone except a specialist. That means no store, or consumer replacement.
A lot depends on how long the batteries last with normal usage. A lot of people have unintentionally drained their batteries, not realizing that WiFi and a lot of open apps = issues.
From Apple:
Your one-year warranty includes replacement coverage for a defective battery. You can extend your coverage to two years from the date of your iPhone purchase with the AppleCare Protection Plan for iPhone, which is expected to be available in summer 2007. During the plans coverage period, Apple will replace the battery if it drops below 50% of its original capacity. If it is out of warranty, Apple offers a battery replacement for $79, plus $6.95 shipping, subject to local tax. Apple disposes of your battery in an environmentally friendly manner.
......
It will be interesting to see how Apple deals with the issue of heavy usage, versus defective. With all of the battery issues people have been experiencing, I hope they err on the side of the consumer. $79 + $6.95 + sales tax, ain't chicken feed, especially when you have to give up your phone.
I've read that the reason why the battery has to be replaced by Apple, is that they're soldered on, and can't be removed by anyone except a specialist. That means no store, or consumer replacement.
A lot depends on how long the batteries last with normal usage. A lot of people have unintentionally drained their batteries, not realizing that WiFi and a lot of open apps = issues.
Shitwit, you can replace batteries for the iPhone, but externally. And you wouldn't need to swap batteries unless yours were broken; otherwise you could tell when its life were under 40% or 30% and make time for the swapout.
battery
and here it is..
exactly what i was talking about. apparently the battery in the ipod is not soldered in, as it is in the iphone (i someone will flame me for not knowing this, but whatever).
so, my point is still the same.
they should make the battery connection a clip instead of solder points in order to make the repair simpler, therefore quick enough to be performed in-store by an apple tech so no one has to send off their phone for any amount of time, and not having to pay for a rental.
and here's the product link
http://eshop.macsales.com/images/Items/nwtbipod1350mph.jpg
apparently it comes complete with tools so you can change it yourself.
so why not do the same for the iphone? doesn't look like rocket engineering to me. clip instead of solder. you can't tell me that it would cause lower battery life blah blah blah.
they could have made it like this but chose not to. i'm not saying they did it to make a quick buck on the battery changing, but that possibility exists. my point was that it could be designed so no one has to send off their phone for a battery swap.
and here it is..
exactly what i was talking about. apparently the battery in the ipod is not soldered in, as it is in the iphone (i someone will flame me for not knowing this, but whatever).
so, my point is still the same.
they should make the battery connection a clip instead of solder points in order to make the repair simpler, therefore quick enough to be performed in-store by an apple tech so no one has to send off their phone for any amount of time, and not having to pay for a rental.
and here's the product link
http://eshop.macsales.com/images/Items/nwtbipod1350mph.jpg
apparently it comes complete with tools so you can change it yourself.
so why not do the same for the iphone? doesn't look like rocket engineering to me. clip instead of solder. you can't tell me that it would cause lower battery life blah blah blah.
they could have made it like this but chose not to. i'm not saying they did it to make a quick buck on the battery changing, but that possibility exists. my point was that it could be designed so no one has to send off their phone for a battery swap.
How long would it take to get a battery replaced and do they simply replace the battery themselves or do they send you a completely new iPhone?
correct, www.batteryuniversity.com states that if the general temperature of the battery is anything above 60C you will only like have 40% battery life at the end of the year. (inside your phone beside the CPU is going to be way hotter than whatever the outside temp is)
also letting your li-poly or li-ion batt die will cause alot of strain on the battery further reducing the life.
you think the standard apple Customer is going to know this? most people still thing you have to drain the battery dead before charging it.
hell 1/5 americans still think the sun revolves around the earth LOL
ifixit teardown
battery here:
http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/sRE6GIaYuMouSGsY.large
teardown here: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-3GS/817/1
doesn't look that tough
battery here:
http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/sRE6GIaYuMouSGsY.large
teardown here: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone-3GS/817/1
doesn't look that tough
So I'm willing to venture you haven't heard about the unresponsive Home Button issue? It could have been prevented by a simple round rubber gasket similar to the one between the chrome bezel and glass... Apple chose not to do this, and it resulted in a pile of dust collecting around the home button, causing the "single-button-device" to become touchscreen-only. Handy!
I would honestly rather cover mine in a full body film and slide it in a leather sleeve than ever carry it naked. The plastic cases I've had have all scratched the aluminum body, and without any case, I have a scratch on my screen. I took that exact route, and my 1st gen iPhone is without fault.
It is HIGHLY prone to dust collecting in the 30pin connector and headphone jack, even more so in the speaker and mic holes, and less so in the earpiece on the top of the front. It's inevitable, and all could have been better prevented, but GOT FORBID WE RISK ASTHETICS!!!
This battery issue is the LEAST of my worries. I'll pay the $80 to let Apple do it. Maybe they'll pity me and give the phone a good cleaning before it's returned - sort of like a dealer doing work on your car and detailing it for you. What are the odds?