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If they want to be 'respected' as an analyst, they should try to account for why X is happening and the reasons behind it.

A real analyst like Horace Deidu actually does things like this instead of spouting nonsense like 'Apple's #1 days are over.' from a few numbers without looking deeper.

Does he have into account ALL the other phones release dates or only Apple's?
 
Oh, so now you're arguing from a moral standpoint? My "insatiable consumption" is fully in line with human nature to want more and continue improving our way of life. By your extremely flawed logic, you should be typing your comments on a commodore 64. Technology changes drastically on a yearly basis, and apple could have had more of my money in 2011 but they didn't because they made a phone that's exactly like my current one. So therefore, my insatiable consumption IS apple's problem. If other companies are making products that are better than their's, it will turn into apple's problem very quickly. Just because you're content with outdated technology it doesn't mean that i should be.

PS
You really need to rethink your talking points, you'll never win a debate like that.

No I shouldn't be on a Commodore 64, becuase the Commodore 64 is, in fact, outdated. It can't connect to the internet and doesn't run a GUI or browser so I couldn't respond to you on one. My original iPhone, however, is my neice's primary phone. It doesn't have the upgrades introduced over the last 5 years, but as a communication device it is still very usable. It can make calls, email, text, run apps, surf the web, take pictures, play music, and movies. It can, in fact, do most of what your iPhone 4 can do. It's aging, not outdated. See the difference? Probably not. Oh, well. Please do continue to measure your quality of life by the phone in your pocket.

P.S. My wife's computer is a 2002 eMac. She works from home so she's on it 8 hours a day everyday. It runs on OS X 10.4 and runs like a champ. I think we all confuse needs with wants. If you're a computer/gadget fanatic then by all means buy a ton of them. I'm not judging that. I spend a ton on my hobbies, too. Just realize that, no, you really don't need a new cell phone every year.
 
Research your facts before making stupid points, i stated that i have an iphone 4, which has the same exact retina display as the 4S. I'm not mad because i don't have one, i can easily go and purchase one now since i've been eligible for an upgrade for the last 6 months. I, however, prefer to vote with my wallet. I didn't buy the 4S out of principle, because it was a pathetic update. And yes i have used one, i had the misfortune of buying it for my dad for father's day only because he needed a smartphone and the new iphone isnt coming out until fall.

I think the 4S is a great update for those it is aimed at, 3GS and prior iphone owners and new iphone owners. You have to remember, Apple, being very US centric, is aiming their phones towards the standard US cellphone contract, 2 years. Cause that's how long they expect most people to keep their phones. So they are trying to appeal to people whose contracts are running out at the time, not the few tech geeks who have enough money to upgrade every year (you have to have money and be a total tech geek for that honestly. I love gadgets but even I can wait my full phone contract before getting a new one).

You have a 4, they weren't aiming that upgrade at you. Your 4 wasn't all that impressive to 3GS owners (but to 3G owners it was a pretty good leap). Sure, it had the gimmicky retina display but honestly? It's nice but it's not all that. It's not a reason I'd upgrade my phone for. The 3GS had the same complaints people complain about the 4s from 3G owners (a processor upgrade? That's it?). But which phone is still being supported even for the newest OS and which lost support a year and a half or more ago, huh? Processor upgrade is a very good upgrade so before you stick your nose up at it, look what happened to the 3G that didn't get one vs. the 3GS that did.

(and yes, I'm waiting for the next iphone but that's cause by the time my upgrade came along, the 4S was already not so new so I'd rather spend the money on a phone that is brand spanking new. Though honestly my 4 now is reminding me of my 3G in how annoying it runs. I really do wonder if I'm better off getting myself on the S upgrade schedule, they get the phones that seem to stay relevant longer with their faster processor upgrades. But hey, I'm on a budget so waiting for the next phone is better on my budget by making my phone last longer. Be even better if I waited til next year, but, I do love my gadgets ;) ).
 
1. Um, Verizon salespeople are TRAINED to NOT LET ANY CUSTOMERS WALK OUT THE DOOR WITH an iPhone. Have any of you actually tried to walk into a Verizon store and purchase an iPhone? It is IMPOSSIBLE. I've tried it on 8 occasions, and Fortune Magazine documents this as well. It is IMPOSSIBLE to do so. Go ahead... I DARE YOU to walk into a Verizon store and try to purchase an iPhone.
2. Furthermore, Verizon salespeople make $75 commission on every NON-iPhone that they sell, but they only make a $5 commission on every iPhone they sell.
3. Verizon salespeople are BERATED by their managers and given WARNINGS if they sell an iPhone.

So it makes perfect sense that the iPhone isn't their best-selling device. This has been Verizon's plan all along.

WHY?

Because once people love the iPhone, they are loyal to the phone and not the carrier. The iPhone relegates Verizon to the dumb pipe that they are, and they don't like that one bit.

Sounds a little over the top...
 
Too many Apple fans have been advising their friends Android devices are okay to buy and use. When the truth is Android is not okay or acceptable for real people. People need to urge their friends and family to buy the best product for the most amazing mobile experiences as possible. Those devices are iOS.

If we get complacent our dear Apple will lose their place at the top of the league. This is a healthy reminder we most do more to promote the best products.

:D:D:D:D:D

Because you're joking, don't you?
 
My friend has a RAZR Maxx. Every time I see it I just think about how stupid I would feel if there were a giant Verizon logo above my iPhone's home button.
 
Verizon is pushing LTE, every Verizon commercial is pushing LTE, and every store associate is trained to convince people not to get an iPhone. Obviously if a costumer has faith the associate knows what he/she is talking about, the average costumer will listen to what the associate is saying.

why doesn't Verizon want people to get an iPhone? The fact is, is that the iPhone uses more data than any other smartphone on the market on average. This isn't due to inefficiency it's because Safari offers a superior browsing experience that make using the internet on a phone even if it's only 3.5 inches better than other phones. Satisfaction ratings are proof of this.

When an associate is telling non-techies that a bigger screen is a better experience and that this screen is better because it uses a newer technology. People will obviusly be swayed and probably will barely use the android phone before the associate is already ringing them up.

And I won't be ignorant to the fact that iPhone does need an upgrade sooner than later. And loss in sales can partially be attributed to this. But I have had the same iPhone for 2 years and the "4G" and "bigger screen" slogans thrown from android commercials has not swung me over. Nor will it likely ever since the next iPhone update is likely to be pretty sweet :cool::apple:
 
This actually makes a lot of sense. Most of us in these forums would love a big upgrade every 12 months and would be happy to hand out the money for one, but the vast majority of people don't think like us. They want a nice phone that's practical and affordable; meaning they will plan on keeping that device until they're once again eligible for a subsidy on the device. Apple doing major refreshes every other year actually works out for the majority. Sucks for the rest of us who want the latest and greatest, but hey, it is what it is.

The ironic thing is most people I know moan that Apple upgrades too often - infact I hear this all the time. "Theres a new iPad already? We only bought the other one last week" etc etc.

Just goes to show you can't make all of the people happy all the time.
 
Perhaps if Apple updated their extremely outdated phone every once in a while...

Go ahead and give me a thumbs down, it's true. Apple is seriously dragging their feet with the iPhone. The 4S was an abomination. I mean come on, im using an iPhone 4 that i purchased in June 2010 the day it came out. I have it jailbroken and running siri, there's no real difference between my 2 year old phone and apple's most up to date phone. It's pathetic, and no i don't consider a bump in processor speed to be a major update. In addition to that, the screen IS too damn small whether you want to admit it or not. If the new iphone isn't significantly improved and changed, im going android. And this is coming from an apple fanboy.
What? The 4S was a solid improvement over the 4 -- you may not be interested in what it offers (performance) but that doesn't mean it's a dud.
 
The ironic thing is most people I know moan that Apple upgrades too often - infact I hear this all the time. "Theres a new iPad already? We only bought the other one last week" etc etc.

Just goes to show you can't make all of the people happy all the time.

Think about the people who bought the Droid Razr and then 2 months later the Droid Razr MAXX came out...
 
I suspect Verizon's share of iPhone to grow much more when iPhone 5 comes out. I'm sure there are many people, I included, that bought iPhone 4 when it came out and are waiting for there 2 year contract from at&t to expire.

I can't wait until the day I can read "Verizon" in the top right corner of my iPhone. AT&T's network is just stupid, especially in Oregon.
 
Oh Well...

Regardless, I am very happy with my iPhone 4s, and will continue to be so. I am waiting on the New iPhone to come out, hoping that it will be more improved. I am looking forward to finally getting on 4G LTE, though. Apple should have had that from the 4's beginning.
 
As ignorant as this sounds on the surface, it makes good business sense. Its not about the device quality. Its about making money. Verizon pays less for an Android device, and therefore pays less in subsidy to the device manufacturer. More people on Android means more profit for the carrier.

Agreed

And they can install their crapware on the device too.
 
I suspect Verizon's share of iPhone to grow much more when iPhone 5 comes out. I'm sure there are many people, I included, that bought iPhone 4 when it came out and are waiting for there 2 year contract from at&t to expire.

I can't wait until the day I can read "Verizon" in the top right corner of my iPhone. AT&T's network is just stupid, especially in Oregon.

Top-left corner. :)

If you buy the new iPad you can enjoy seeing "Verizon LTE" in the top-left corner. Currently, my iPhone 4S says "AT&T 4G" which is a nice improvement, but I am looking forward to "AT&T LTE". I buy Verizon iPads and AT&T iPhones to hedge my bets on coverage while traveling. Plus, I get a better corporate discount at AT&T and I have grand-fathered unlimited data. But with LTE hotspot on the new iPad, I can't imagine buying an AT&T iPad.
 
What? The 4S was a solid improvement over the 4 -- you may not be interested in what it offers (performance) but that doesn't mean it's a dud.

Improvements in the 4S were actually pretty good:

- Faster processor with dual cores
- Brighter screen
- 64GB option
- Faster GSM connectivity
- Better proximity sensor for Siri "raise to speak" feature
- Significantly improved camera with face detection
- 1080p video shooting with stabilization
- Better antenna system
- Bluetooth 4.0
- Improved battery life

Software-wise you get Siri and a couple other minor features, but I assume jail-breakers can get those on an iPhone 4. I upgraded from iPhone 3GS (currently on the "S upgrade cycle") and so far I have found the 4S to be incredible.

The only thing lacking in the iPhone 4S was LTE, but if they had used the power-hungry LTE chips that were available in the Fall of 2011 I would not have been happy.
 
Does he have into account ALL the other phones release dates or only Apple's?

Horace Deidu isn't an analyst like Gardner, Mully, or Zaky and he's stated that he doesn't pretend to know what the future holds for Apple or Google. He simply analyzes Apple and the decisions the firm has made that have led it to this explosive growth we are seeing (he now does the same for Google and its Android eco-system, and other key players in the smartphone industry). His goal is to find the seeds that have created innovative DNA and have given both of these giants massive inroads to the still balkanized telecom industry. He analyzes older data and relates it to previously disruptive innovations that have now become common and have created international conglomerates (ex:aviation) and through data compares these industries and their disruptions to Apple and Google. He is a ex-nokia Engineer and studied under Clay Christensen, so most of his theory is based on the prescription of disruptive solutions to innovation and growth. As far as I can tell he doesn't actually count Android phones by release date, he only counts units shipped or activated.
 
Horace Deidu isn't an analyst like Gardner, Mully, or Zaky and he's stated that he doesn't pretend to know what the future holds for Apple or Google. He simply analyzes Apple and the decisions the firm has made that have led it to this explosive growth we are seeing (he now does the same for Google and its Android eco-system, and other key players in the smartphone industry). His goal is to find the seeds that have created innovative DNA and have given both of these giants massive inroads to the still balkanized telecom industry. He analyzes older data and relates it to previously disruptive innovations that have now become common and have created international conglomerates (ex:aviation) and through data compares these industries and their disruptions to Apple and Google. He is a ex-nokia Engineer and studied under Clay Christensen, so most of his theory is based on the prescription of disruptive solutions to innovation and growth. As far as I can tell he doesn't actually count Android phones by release date, he only counts units shipped or activated.


Well, the OP was saying that an analyst that doesn't have into account the release cycle of iPhone when talking about sales is not a serious analyst.

My question is, does it have to have into account the other manufacturers release cycles?
 
Improvements in the 4S were actually pretty good:

- Faster processor with dual cores
- Brighter screen
- 64GB option
- Faster GSM connectivity
- Better proximity sensor for Siri "raise to speak" feature
- Significantly improved camera with face detection
- 1080p video shooting with stabilization
- Better antenna system
- Bluetooth 4.0
- Improved battery life

Software-wise you get Siri and a couple other minor features, but I assume jail-breakers can get those on an iPhone 4. I upgraded from iPhone 3GS (currently on the "S upgrade cycle") and so far I have found the 4S to be incredible.

The only thing lacking in the iPhone 4S was LTE, but if they had used the power-hungry LTE chips that were available in the Fall of 2011 I would not have been happy.
Exactly... it's a pretty good update. Hopefully we'll see a quad-core A9 or dual-core A15 as well as LTE, larger screen size, and more battery life :D

I might upgrade to the 5 I'm not sure yet...
 
I gave my 4s to my wife and switched to the Galaxy SIII. This is literally the best phone I have ever used. Apple better get this ***** straight and come out with some big screen phones or they in trouble.
 
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