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Apple iPhone Trademark, Analyst Speculation
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iMacZealot said:
???
The Treo, like most music phones, use media cards. If you use a USB media card reader instead of a sync cable, it should sync at USB 2.0 speeds. No need for FireWire. That's how I put music on my SonyEricsson phone.
obviously jobs isn't scared of zune because he plans to one up zune in the communications department
Am I the only one who plugs my phone in at night? All this worry over the battery life seems kind of silly. As long as it lasts the day...
rlreif said:
Hmm...I have a feeling both the iPhone and iPhone Pro will be flash-based though. But I think you're right they will both be slider phones. I think the iPhone "slim" phone will basically be like a shorter, wider iPod nano with a slightly larger screen and a slide-out keyboard - so it will be about twice the thickness of a nano. The larger iPhone Pro will be like a narrower iPod, maybe with a portrait screen orientation instead of landscape, and will again have a slide-out keyboard. I expect that the iPhone will have something like 2 GB and the iPhone Pro something like 4 GB or even 8 GB. I would be pleasantly surprised if either of these models had any expandable storage, but I doubt it. I think they will initially launch without expandable storage, and then add it later in the second generation of iPhones...
Thanatoast said:
Hmm...well it needs to be a lot better than the 1st generation of music phones. My Sony Ericsson probably only gets 2 or 3 hours of music playback, and I don't think Apple would even launch such a crippled music phone. Since Apple has their iPod nanos up to 24 hours of music playback, I'm hoping they can get the iPhone to at least 8 to 10 hours of music playback. The concerns about battery life mentioned aren't encouraging, though. Maybe they were only able to get the music playing up to 6 or 8 hours max. I would still buy it though, since I only need at most 2 or 3 hours a day of playback anyway (for the gym and for the commute).
lmalave said:
yeah yeah... thats what i meant.... i just mean the form of the 80gb ipod... an 80gb hd might be a bit overkill... but im just lookng at my ipod sitting on the table next to my treo 650, and the 650 looks so dated... i remember when that seemed so cool, but looking at them side by side they look like different decades... something the same size and design as the ipod 80gb, where at the bottom it slides and exposes a qwerty keyboard... stellar
MacViolinist said:
I'm with you. I already catched myself looking up a number in my nano's address book ("contacts") and looking for the "call" item. I'd love to have the main menu going "Music \n Phone \n Phone \n Extras etc." But the nano might actually be a little small for a phone. Try holding one at your ear for a minute. How about an add-on that you plug in on the bottom via the dock connector? Makes the thing a little longer and you can just upgrade your iPod. Kinda like the iTrip, but in the exact same design as the iPod itself.
The "far east country" (or at least one of them, more earlier) is Australia. The "convention" field listing country TT (Trinidad and Tobago) application 37090 confirms that the Ocean Telecom Services LLC is in all likelihood an Apple shell corporation.
Compare with the US TARR record.
(below is a screen dump from the Australian IP mainframe)
Class 28 is for games, including toy phones
Compare with the US TARR record.
(below is a screen dump from the Australian IP mainframe)
Code:
17/10/2006 Trade Mark System Page 1 14:45:34
Application Abstract TMAP01MF
Applic. No : 1136412 Acceptance due : 11/01/2008
Filed on : 19/09/2006 First report : 11/10/2006
Convention : 27/03/2006 TT 37090 Examiner : BESWICK
Divisional :
Status : Under Examination - Extension Fees Not Required
Owner Name : Apple Computer, Inc.
Mark : (Words) IPHONE ; iPhone
(Type YS )
Classes : _ 28 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
(PF9 - display ALL Goods and Services, or select required classes with X or S)
Corrections made
* No Endorsements * Option __ HELP <PF1>
TMAPE01H V7.29 ( 1.1 ) XGUEST COMMAND ____________________Class 28 is for games, including toy phones
Damn Delaware's LLC search goes down at midnight EST
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edit: url for Delaware search: https://sos-res.state.de.us/tin/controller
2nd Edit: The attorny of record is Correspondent
James Johnston (Attorney of record)
JAMES JOHNSTON
OCEAN TELECOM SERVICES LLC
CORPORATION TRUST CENTER, ROOM 123
1209 ORANGE STREET
WILMINGTON, DE 19801
I wonder what would happen if I called this guy tomorrow and said "Hey James this is Mike Williams from Apple's legal dept. I have a couple of addendums I need to fax over for Ocean Telecom but I've mis-placed your fax number, can you give it to me? I need these filed this week!"
He either says:
1) Duh, do what
or
2) Sure, the number is blah blah blah
edit: url for Delaware search: https://sos-res.state.de.us/tin/controller
2nd Edit: The attorny of record is Correspondent
James Johnston (Attorney of record)
JAMES JOHNSTON
OCEAN TELECOM SERVICES LLC
CORPORATION TRUST CENTER, ROOM 123
1209 ORANGE STREET
WILMINGTON, DE 19801
I wonder what would happen if I called this guy tomorrow and said "Hey James this is Mike Williams from Apple's legal dept. I have a couple of addendums I need to fax over for Ocean Telecom but I've mis-placed your fax number, can you give it to me? I need these filed this week!"
He either says:
1) Duh, do what
or
2) Sure, the number is blah blah blah
There wasn't much in the record anyway, just the incorporation date and that they are using Corporation Trust Center as an anonymous proxy contact.kresh said:
[edit: For completenes, the public record details:
File Number: 4222771
Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 09/22/2006 (mm/dd/yyyy)
Entity Name: OCEAN TELECOM SERVICES LLC
Entity Kind: LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY (LLC)
Entity Type: GENERAL
Residency: DOMESTIC
State: DE
REGISTERED AGENT INFORMATION
Name: THE CORPORATION TRUST COMPANY
Address: CORPORATION TRUST CENTER 1209 ORANGE STREET
City: WILMINGTON
County: NEW CASTLE
State: DE
Postal Code: 19801
Phone: (302)658-7581
]
DanielK said:
nice idea!
I don't believe anything comes out until mwsf 07 (maybe except the core2duo books). Apple just released the new iPod line and who would buy an 80gig video ipod if you can get a widescreen for some more bugs...
I hope the PDA rumor is correct.
Apple in my ear, on my desk, in my livingroom, in my car, as my phone
"Gee, Steve, what do you want to do tonight?" "The same thing I do every night, Dave: Try to take over the world!"
Apple, please, make it right:
- Smartphone.
- Built-in Mac OS X mobile.
- Wireless
That will make it the ultimate presentation tool with a huge halo effect on corporate, education and domestic markets:
1. Make presentation on Mac or PC with Keynote or Powerpoint.
2. Save the presentation to the iPhone.
3. Use the iPhone as a wireless computerless presentation remote.
Wow! More here with great pictures:
http://www.t3.co.uk/news/247/communications/mobile_phone/evidence_mounts_for_january_iphone
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=633162&result_page=1
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=633162&result_page=2
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=633162&result_page=3
- Smartphone.
- Built-in Mac OS X mobile.
- Wireless
That will make it the ultimate presentation tool with a huge halo effect on corporate, education and domestic markets:
1. Make presentation on Mac or PC with Keynote or Powerpoint.
2. Save the presentation to the iPhone.
3. Use the iPhone as a wireless computerless presentation remote.
Wow! More here with great pictures:
http://www.t3.co.uk/news/247/communications/mobile_phone/evidence_mounts_for_january_iphone
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=633162&result_page=1
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=633162&result_page=2
http://www.t3.co.uk/nested_content/gallery_assetlisting_navigation?root=633162&result_page=3
MrCrowbar said:
No way would an iPhone launch without a keypad. Text messaging is too popular. I think it will be a slider phone, though, so they keyboard is tucked away until you need it.
And I don't think the nano length is too short for a phone. My SonyEricsson is the same height as the Nano.
Marx55 said:
I don't think any presentation features would be enought to cause any halo effect in the corporate market. Features that *could* cause a halo effect, on the other hand, are:
- Using the iPhone as high-speed wireless modem, over Bluetooth (2.0 or even a new version), or Wi-Fi (maybe can enable "Internet Sharing" on phone)
- Powerful email/messaging client to compete with Blackberry. They wouldn't really be competing with Blackberry, but they might strip away a few users that decide the email client is "good enough" and would like to have their iPod and phone in the same device...
The Treo, RAZR, Blackberry, Windows Mobile Killer?
I'm a Treo user now....
BUT, I would love an iPhone that has a "slide out" keyboard.
I worry about all this. Seems like the expectations for the iPhone are getting a bit out of hand. I'm thinking many people are going to be disappointed with a version 1.0 product.
What it will most likely do:
- Be a cell phone
- Be a great music player like iPod
What it *may* do:
- Be a great calendar client for iCal
- Support e-mail
- Have a web browser.
------
There's the rub, they are now competing with every hi-end phone out there. Apple is basically making their own "Phone OS" from the ground up. What web technology would they use? Is this too ambitious for a release 1 product? If they try this great, I just hope it is good. They are suddenly going to have competition from Windows Mobile, Nokia, Treo, Blackberry, and the whole Motorola line.
Let's remember with iPod, when it came out there were just some pretty lame competitors. The cell phone market is much more mature.
Good Luck Apple!
Jack
I'm a Treo user now....
BUT, I would love an iPhone that has a "slide out" keyboard.
I worry about all this. Seems like the expectations for the iPhone are getting a bit out of hand. I'm thinking many people are going to be disappointed with a version 1.0 product.
What it will most likely do:
- Be a cell phone
- Be a great music player like iPod
What it *may* do:
- Be a great calendar client for iCal
- Support e-mail
- Have a web browser.
------
There's the rub, they are now competing with every hi-end phone out there. Apple is basically making their own "Phone OS" from the ground up. What web technology would they use? Is this too ambitious for a release 1 product? If they try this great, I just hope it is good. They are suddenly going to have competition from Windows Mobile, Nokia, Treo, Blackberry, and the whole Motorola line.
Let's remember with iPod, when it came out there were just some pretty lame competitors. The cell phone market is much more mature.
Good Luck Apple!
Jack
Ok... here is what is coming:
its not going to be a 'normal cel phone', its going to work ONLY via wireless internet connexion. Why? this is the only way for Apple to compete againts the other distributors. Apple doesnt have the network and all suppliers will see them as a threat. So by using the internet, they are free from the competitors.
Think about it! Why would Apple release a 'normal' phone? If they make a phone, its going to be the most innovative phone that can be and what else is better than a phone that doesnt cost anything per month with free and unlimited calls?
its not going to be a 'normal cel phone', its going to work ONLY via wireless internet connexion. Why? this is the only way for Apple to compete againts the other distributors. Apple doesnt have the network and all suppliers will see them as a threat. So by using the internet, they are free from the competitors.
Think about it! Why would Apple release a 'normal' phone? If they make a phone, its going to be the most innovative phone that can be and what else is better than a phone that doesnt cost anything per month with free and unlimited calls?
OK what carrier will be used?
I hear all this talk about an iPhone coming soon, which is great, but what carrier will Apple use?
It looks like they are going to use Cingular or maybe T-Mobile. I really doubt Apple using Sprint, Verizon or ONLY wifi. Wifi would be pointless because it would be very limited to certain areas only. I think their phones will be GSM, and all us customers who use cdma will be left out in the cold.
There are a lot more restrictions on a cdma phone than on a GSM phone. This really sucks because Verizon is the only company that works where I live...
I hear all this talk about an iPhone coming soon, which is great, but what carrier will Apple use?
It looks like they are going to use Cingular or maybe T-Mobile. I really doubt Apple using Sprint, Verizon or ONLY wifi. Wifi would be pointless because it would be very limited to certain areas only. I think their phones will be GSM, and all us customers who use cdma will be left out in the cold.
There are a lot more restrictions on a cdma phone than on a GSM phone. This really sucks because Verizon is the only company that works where I live...
You know, I would love an Apple phone as much (or even more) than the next guy, but something occured to me this morning...
All this talk, all this hype. If/When the iPhone comes out, most of you are gonna flame Apple for releasing such a POS. I'm already vommiting at the thought of how many posts will use the overused phrase "underwhelmed."
You will be underwhelmed my friends, I promise.
Also, to stay competitive in the mobile phone hardware market, you've got to release new hardware, with new features, at least every year, if not twice a year. Apple seems to be so slow getting out of the gate on this one that I wonder if they could do that. I mean, look at quickly they updated their notebooks to Core 2 Duo. Oh, that's right, they haven't.
Can Apple produce and continue to innovate a product every 9 months?
All this talk, all this hype. If/When the iPhone comes out, most of you are gonna flame Apple for releasing such a POS. I'm already vommiting at the thought of how many posts will use the overused phrase "underwhelmed."
You will be underwhelmed my friends, I promise.
Also, to stay competitive in the mobile phone hardware market, you've got to release new hardware, with new features, at least every year, if not twice a year. Apple seems to be so slow getting out of the gate on this one that I wonder if they could do that. I mean, look at quickly they updated their notebooks to Core 2 Duo. Oh, that's right, they haven't.
Can Apple produce and continue to innovate a product every 9 months?
sartinsauce said:
i actually think apple will probably come up with something that takes existing features/wants/needs of current smartphones/3G phones/etc. and defines/redefines the category somehow, much the way the iPod, while still doing things other players did when it was released, defined all HD based players after it.
maybe it will be the Home on iPod thing, maybe it will be some kind of remote access to your .mac iCals, or maybe it will just be form factor, (or any number of things, those are just off the top of my head) but i would be willing to bet it is NOT just an iPod that makes calls, or a phone that plays music.
not sure what, but something.
shecky said:
You're right, of course. I neglected to mention that in my post, and now that I think about that, maybe they will turn the tide on the current cycle of constant update/refresh.
Generally, Apple's products are true innovations. One would only hope that the iPhone would follow that track record.
tcmcam said:
I don't know if the iPhone will have a full-fledged mobile web browser to compete with the likes of Opera Mini, but I'm pretty sure it will at least contain a mobile interface to the iTunes Store. I guess this would be integrated into the mobile iTunes software rather than being mobile browser based, though...