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Apple is getting pushy

Apple_Robert said:
Apple is doing what is reasonable to try and keep the average user safe. I think you are making much more out of this than need be. If you don’t want to update, don’t. Ignore the badge and move on with your life.
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Not really true. Apple now uses all kinds of insidious tricks to fool people into upgrading. Crafty verbiage flat out intended to trick users into upgrading. Not good.

E.g. I want to keep my current OS (Sequoia at the moment) updated, but my protocol is not to upgrade to the next OS until the X.3 version, if ever. So this morning I got a message asking if my planned updates should be done now or tonight. Hmm. Diving into the detail I found Tahoe had been downloaded and was about to be installed.

No doubt PEBKAC; I probably clicked on the wrong thing at some point. But also there is no doubt that Apple fully intended that wrong click. After decades there is no way I install a full new OS version without conscious analysis first.
 
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TechnoMonk said:
You will end up in a lunatic asylum if you go by the member complains here on everything. Just use your computers and enjoy life, it isn’t end of the world. Some of us endured Tiger and Lion OS X. Tahoe isn’t anything like those early mac osx releases.
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Tahoe is not judged by comparison to Tiger and Lion. Tahoe's stability and UI are judged against Sequoia.
 
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Allen_Wentz said:
Not really true. Apple now uses all kinds of insidious tricks to fool people into upgrading. Crafty verbiage flat out intended to trick users into upgrading. Not good.

E.g. I want to keep my current OS (Sequoia at the moment) upgraded, but my protocol is not to upgrade to the next OS until the X.3 version, if ever. So this morning I got a message asking if my planned updates should be done now or tonight. Hmm. Diving into the detail I found Tahoe had been downloaded and was about to be installed.

No doubt PEBKAC; I probably clicked on the wrong thing at some point. But also there is no doubt that Apple fully intended that wrong click. After decades there is no way I install a full new OS version without conscious analysis first.
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That's exactly what is happening with all the Apple Devices in my household. The notice above gives you two options as follows: a. Restart (to upgrade, of course), and b. to upgrade tonight.

There aren't any other options other than to upgrade or ignore the notice every time you use your Mac, or iPhone, or iPad.
 
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Allen_Wentz said:
Not really true. Apple now uses all kinds of insidious tricks to fool people into upgrading. Crafty verbiage flat out intended to trick users into upgrading. Not good.

E.g. I want to keep my current OS (Sequoia at the moment) updated, but my protocol is not to upgrade to the next OS until the X.3 version, if ever. So this morning I got a message asking if my planned updates should be done now or tonight. Hmm. Diving into the detail I found Tahoe had been downloaded and was about to be installed.

No doubt PEBKAC; I probably clicked on the wrong thing at some point. But also there is no doubt that Apple fully intended that wrong click. After decades there is no way I install a full new OS version without conscious analysis first.
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I still think that Apple is concerned about safety.

I don’t know about insidious… but, you raise a fair point in regards to the lack of user control options with updates. I will concede as well that Apple should be more clear with the verbiage.
 
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Allen_Wentz said:
Tahoe is not judged by comparison to Tiger and Lion. Tahoe's stability and UI are judged against Sequoia.
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Doesn’t matter, they were one of the worst Mac OS X . I don’t upgrade Mac Os till Feb/march(or x.3). If you live on the bleeding edge, be ready for issues. I learnt my lesson long time ago with lion.
 
Black_Mage said:
I noticed a notification just now. I was thinking there was an important incremental update with security fixes. Nope, it's just Apple really wanting me to update to 26.2.
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Getting pushy? iOS has been like this almost all along. Every year it starts pushing all phones that can run the latest release with the new release around the start of December. This is no different than iOS 18 last year, iOS 17 two years ago, etc.
 
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doogm said:
This is no different than iOS 18 last year, iOS 17 two years ago, etc.
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Funny, that’s not how I remember it. Apple wasn’t actively trying to trick users into accidentally choosing the latest upgrade. The company also didn’t deliberately close off using the beta test program to update to the latest, most secure version of the previous OS versus upgrading to the latest OS. There’s a reason why upgrades to 26 are running well behind 18 at this point last year. And Apple is trying to change that.
 
AlaskaMoose said:
That's exactly what is happening with all the Apple Devices in my household. The notice above gives you two options as follows: a. Restart (to upgrade, of course), and b. to upgrade tonight.

There aren't any other options other than to upgrade or ignore the notice every time you use your Mac, or iPhone, or iPad.
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I am getting those notifications on both of my Macs. I just clear all notifications and I don’t have to choose either. The notification making it seems like you have to upgrade is far worse than a number notification on the setting icon.
 
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I am getting those notifications on both of my Macs. I just clear all notifications and I don’t have to choose either. The notification making it seems like you have to upgrade is far worse than a number notification on the setting icon.
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I have to figure out a way to get rid of these notifications, at least on the Macs and iPads at home, but I have no choice but to "update" two iPhones that I had set on automatic updates and unintentionally let them "upgrade" the OS a few at night a few weeks ago.
 
Apple isn't being pushy in my opinion. When I see that red circle show up, I wait to update, and I update my computer before going to bed, and then in the morning I wake up and the new update is installed.
 
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AlaskaMoose said:
I have to figure out a way to get rid of these notifications, at least on the Macs and iPads at home, but I have no choice but to "update" two iPhones that I had set on automatic updates and unintentionally let them "upgrade" the OS a few at night a few weeks ago.
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Click the time/date in the upper right corner, click clear, and click all notifications. That will take care of the banner notification......until Apple decides to remind you again. It seems like it's been every day the past couple days. If that isn't pushy, I don't know what is.
 

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JanetTheGreat said:
Apple isn't being pushy in my opinion. When I see that red circle show up, I wait to update, and I update my computer before going to bed, and then in the morning I wake up and the new update is installed.
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Every one of us has an opinion on the subject discussed in this thread. To me Apple is being pushy, while that is not the case for other posters. I would not mind having the red color circle with a number being displayed on the System Settings icon, but I don't like the incessant notifications in my iPhones's or my Macs' Messages.

For example, if I start any of my Macs the notification appears on the screen, and I can't just remove it by "clicking" the mouse's pointer on the little X icon, because this "notification" is not designed to be removed from the display, but to open the System Settings screen. In this case I either ignore it and let if be at the top right corner of the display, or just click on it so it can then open the System Sittings screen, which then requires for me to either take the action I am being directed to take, or just close the System Settings screen. Keep in mind that the differences discussed in these thread relates to upgrades not just "updates."

Automatic updates aren't a problem. unless the user changes his or her mind. For example, if I decided to update iOS-26 but to not install it automatically in my iPhone, just to download it overnight, and then change my mind and choose to not install the update, I cannot then get rid of the notification to install the update. All I can do at this point is to restart my iPhone, or just update it, because there isn't another choice. The same happens to a Mac, or iPad once an upgrade has been authorized for downloading, but not to install automatically.
 
Black_Mage said:
Click the time/date in the upper right corner, click clear, and click all notifications. That will take care of the banner notification......until Apple decides to remind you again. It seems like it's been every day the past couple days. If that isn't pushy, I don't know what is.
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Agree. I have tried this and am still getting the notifications. I turned all the the notifications off in my iPhone, but it is too late for me to not allow the update to take place since it has already been downloaded. I had to run the update. For my Macs I only have the choice to not upgrade the OS' from Sequoia (this has been updated the latest).

That said, I am receiving all kinds of notifications in my Macs for a 'free" 3-month Apple Music and Apple TV. I even receive these others via email. I don't need them, but I cannot get rid of them in my Macs' System Settings. It is the same for using Apple Intelligence (don't need it) 🙂
 
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AlaskaMoose said:
Every one of us has an opinion on the subject discussed in this thread. To me Apple is being pushy, while that is not the case for other posters. I would not mind having the red color circle with a number being displayed on the System Settings icon, but I don't like the incessant notifications in my iPhones's or my Macs' Messages.

For example, if I start any of my Macs the notification appears on the screen, and I can't just remove it by "clicking" the mouse's pointer on the little X icon, because this "notification" is not designed to be removed from the display, but to open the System Settings screen. In this case I either ignore it and let if be at the top right corner of the display, or just click on it so it can then open the System Sittings screen, which then requires for me to either take the action I am being directed to take, or just close the System Settings screen. Keep in mind that the differences discussed in these thread relates to upgrades not just "updates."

Automatic updates aren't a problem. unless the user changes his or her mind. For example, if I decided to update iOS-26 but to not install it automatically in my iPhone, just to download it overnight, and then change my mind and choose to not install the update, I cannot then get rid of the notification to install the update. All I can do at this point is to restart my iPhone, or just update it, because there isn't another choice. The same happens to a Mac, or iPad once an upgrade has been authorized for downloading, but not to install automatically.
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If you have an issue with the red circle - just update. Simple. Problem solved.
 
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jay-A said:
What is new, however, is that they are now indeed pushing harder than ever, with super frequent notifications, one click at the wrong place and voilà, Tahoe gets installed. My guess is that, at this point in time, the install stats of Tahoe are nothing like what they were for previous versions, and for a good reason. So instead of pushing towards making better MacOS versions, Apple is pushing towards installing the cr@p they currently have. Simple as that.
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I noticed that on my Mac! I was slightly annoyed 😒
 
bogdanw said:
If Apple was concerned about safety, it would provide the same security updates for the last two versions of its operating systems. A bare minimum for the world's first trillion-dollar public company 🙂
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Apple starts nagging us on Apple health for eating too many processed food with push notifications. Apple knows better. iOS 33
 
JanetTheGreat said:
If you have an issue with the red circle - just update. Simple. Problem solved.
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Did I say that I have an issue with the red dot?

What I wrote in one of my previous posts:
"Every one of us has an opinion on the subject discussed in this thread. To me Apple is being pushy, while that is not the case for other posters. I would not mind having the red color circle with a number being displayed on the System Settings icon, but I don't like the incessant notifications in my iPhones's or my Macs' Messages."

The fact is that Apple is pushing Music, News, Mac OS, iOS, TV, services, and so on, with both notifications and email.
 
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SYCAMOREGRAD said:
Settings is now deletable, right?
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I would like to know how one can deselect the setting that controls the red dot that appears in the System Settings icon on the dock. I am not trying to argue; I just want to learn how to set it so it does not appear in the icon itself so I can get rid of it. Still, I don't have a problem with the red dot, just with the action (s) Apple is directing me to take. For the time being, I just ignore the red dot and go on with my life.

As for the Macs in my household I will wait for at least a version 26.2 or higher of Tahoe before I upgrade from Sequoia.
 
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