APPLE is killing MOTOROLA!

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by sparkleytone
backtothemac that was the most useless POS post i have ever seen on these forums, surpassing by far mac15, gocyrus, and some others. no offense mac15, i like ya, just not when you post one word responses

Flame wars are all well and good, but only if the repartee is indeed intelligent.

Oh, sorry, let me rephrase.
...In bad English accent...

Notice how the young lad comes into the forum and raises a rather unpopular opinion with little factual basis and then does not stand around to defend his opinion against the rebutal. Just my opinion here, but isn't it odd that the people who come in claiming that the house is on fire never defend their original statement. In addition to that, to lay blame at the buyer of a product instead of on the company that produces the product is pure poppycock.

...end English accent...

There is that better? I am not a zealot, but I cannot stand people like cikutek who post for no other reason than to start a flame war. Yes, my initial response will probably do the same, but there is a HUGE difference between an offensive flaming and a defensive flaming.

Oh, and sparkley, believe me I am not a slack-jaw like GoCyrus, and have no idea who Mac15 is, so please read my other posts in the forums before you compare me to a PC hugging zealot.

 

[GetSome681]

Originally posted by ftaok
hemingray,

Yeah, it's gotta start somewhere. And I think that Apple has shown their hand by moving the consumer line to Motorola.

As for the "sub-standard chip" comment, to my knowledge, Motorola aren't the ones who are designing the mobos. I'm no hardware expert, but don't you think the G4 would run better on a faster system bus? Maybe Motorola's designs don't allow for a faster bus, I don't know, but if that's the case, Apple should be pushing Motorola for faster bus speeds rather than raw clock speed.

And the sub-standard components don't start and end with the Motorola stuff. Apple is still bundling 16MB video cards with the "pro" laptops and 8MB ones on the "consumer" ones. Dell is offering 32MB and 64MB on most of their laptops. Motorola has no hand on this one at all.

My opinion - neither one is killing the other.

I was under the impression that there was a limitation to ddr, etc in the g4 itself. The new apollo's might have fixed that..but that was my impression of why ddr hasn't been in the mac yet. The original poster is correct though. He's not necessarily saying that Motorola is trying to kill apple, nor are they not trying to produce better chips. But rather, they cannot reach an end that surpasses their means. Developing new chip technologies is expensive, as must testing is involved, and usuaully fabrication advances often require new machines, which themselves cost a fortune. Obviously Intel has more $$ to throw around in developing more technologies and chips than Motorola does. It's not an issue of Motorola not trying, or not caring, b/c obviously they woudln't be making PPC chips if they weren't making money off them, or apple. The poster is just saying that although Motorola has had their screw ups, we can't totally blame them for their lack of tech advancement, as they aren't and can't spend more money on R&D than they bring in, and that therefore limits them. I do agree with a lot of other people as well though, in that Motorola seems much more efficient in their approach than does Intel, and hopefully we will see some great things from the APPL-MOT camp. I for one am waiting with money in hand!!

 

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by GetSome681
I was under the impression that there was a limitation to ddr, etc in the g4 itself. The new apollo's might have fixed that..but that was my impression of why ddr hasn't been in the mac yet....

That is correct. The CPU must support the higher front side bus speed (FSB) of DDR. So does the mobo.

For all we know, the current PPCs might support it already, but without a mobo that accects the DIMMs and runs them at proper speed, we'll never know.

 

[sjs]

flame war

Well, I think its safe to say Cikutek's second post may have been his last...

Unless he enjoys this stuff and WAS in fact baiting you guys...

In which case you fell for it. What does that say about YOU?

From a business standpoint his case is not perfect, but on principle he has got it just about right!

Which leads us inevitably to this conclusion:

Either:

a) Steve knows he is on a sinking ship (motorola falling ever further behind), but there is nothing he can do about it.

OR:

b) Steve knows it looks bad now, but he has a PLAN , knows what's in the pipeline of new products (chips, RAM, mobos, etc), knows where OSX is headed, and is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat. Meaning that sometime in the next year its all going to come together, OSX and hardware, and suddenly we are going to be right back up to SPEED with wintel. And a better user experience...and of course better design.

I am betting on the latter. How about you?

 

[Backtothemac]

sjs,
I agree with the later. He is way to smart, and has way to much self respect to go down on a sinking ship. Hell, the ship isn't even taking on water yet. What everyone is forgetting is that Apples Market share for the last quarter was 8%! That is the first sign of a turn around, and it is only going to get better.

--
Official Assistant to the Buck Private of the anti-zealot campaign.

 

[sjs]

Of course, I am referring to Motorola as the possibly sinking ship, not Apple.

It does look like Moto is sinking, and I wouldn't invest my money in their company, but the fact that Steve is putting his business in their hands seems to indicate that he KNOWS something.

 

[Backtothemac]

Oh, my God, this just came to me. Can't Apple buy Motorolla's PPC unit for like 500 million or something like that? Imagine if Apple and AMD bought Motorolla's interests in the PPC, and then teamed together to produce the chips. AMD has the ability to crank out some amazing chips as we have seen on the other side of the fence. Man that would just friggin rock.


--
Assistant Buck Private of the anti-zealot campaign.

 

[mc68k]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
How many people in here either have, or know someone with, a beige G3 or pre-G3 system that is still in active service??

I would be interested in hearing some feedback on that.

I bought my S900 (case/mobo/ps) last summer for the express purpose of souping it up and running OS X on it. I like a good challenge. I could have bought a new system, but where's the fun in that?

 

[mc68k]

Back to the original topic, Motorola is diverse therefore Apple could not kill the whole company— if anything just the semi-conductor division.

Moto has had mass layoffs recently in all divsions, so they might be in trouble in more areas than one...

 

[Taft]

Doh!

Originally posted by Taft

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And I agree Moto designs chips that are more tailored towards their major markets, ie routers and such. But I think thats an argument that helps show Apple really isn't controlling them enough to be hurting them. If Apple isn't really controlling the direction of PPC at Motorola, how can they be blamed for Moto's problems? I think Moto is cooking their own problems and if anything I think that Moto's focus on embedded markets is going to hurt Moto in the long run.
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Jeeze!! I'm an idiot today! What I meant to say was:

I think Moto is cooking their own problems and if anything I think that Moto's focus on embedded markets is going to hurt Apple in the long run.

Thats what you get when you try to work and post at the same time.

Taft