Apple is 'Not in Talks' to Settle Legal Dispute With Qualcomm and is 'Gearing Up For Trial'

[lazard]

1) they have the money to
2) the USA a free country where free commerce is allowed (you live in china or something?)
3) everything is for sale if the price is right - that's just the facts of life buddy
4) its not "steamrolling" if its a mutual agreement
5) I want to know why you are so hostile to the idea of apple buying other companies???

Almost all their money is stuck overseas until they repatriate.

 

[rafark]

Seems to me, of the two feuding children, that Qualcomm kind of “started” it, with their initial withholding of $1 Billion in Royalty rebates. Apple is not alone in the claims of Qualcomm’s anticompetitive practices. This is a no-brainer IMO. As was already said, Apple has way more to gain than lose. I think Qualcomm is the one that got greedy and “soured” the relationship. We should know the winner in a couple of years LOL. In either case, Qualcomm has already lost, because they lost the account of one of the biggest users of their Hardware. So big, that they make whatever customer Apple partners with as an alternate a juggernaut that Qualcomm has to compete with. Big Win for Intel, big loss for Qualcomm.

Right... I'm going to buy a maxed out mac book pro, use it for some months and then refuse/stop paying Apple because i think their prices are unfair..

 

[Icaras]

User who has written exclusively negative posts for the last 3 and a half years judges other users' posts.

"How about Apple innovates instead of..." - the eye-rolling comment which doesn't really mean anything.

Add in "Steve Jobs would never..." and I think we'll have a full house from you today. I'll give you this: you may not be the most objective poster, but you sure as heck make a good drinking game.

Classic story of a user that just bad mouths Apple every chance they get but still goes and buys and use their products and still care enough to hang around forums of said company. The perfect angry Apple fanboy. Go figure.

I would expect this kind of response in an Apple echo chamber when the status quo is challenged. What's astonishing though is that whenever I do say anything that would benefit the consumer (you), THIS is the kind of hostility that always springs up. Just shut your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears and scream 'NO! I don't want a better tech experience because I believe everything Apple tells me!'

Except I feel that none of what you say feels like it actually ever benefits me. You seem to be existing in your own deluded echo chamber. I will continue to vote with my wallet, which I did today and purchased an iPad Pro, and also two weeks ago with the iPhone XR, meaning I don’t mind the exclusion of the headphone jack for example. And the not so surprising thing is i’m a happy customer. I guess all those customer sat ratings Apple throws around isn’t just hogwash.

Be prepared to “challenge the status quo” for a very, very long time. Look at it as a chance to humor us more and also raise your post count at Macrumors as well.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

Monopoly is a game.
If you get that worked up over losing then perhaps you should read a book.
You comment could have been just as insightful without dissing the other poster.

I’m sorry that’s what you got out of that.

I do read books, btw! =)
I have a renewed passion for comics since discovering Comic Zeal on iPad.
I also play a LOT of board games (or tabletop games, as the kids are calling them now). There is a vibrant community surrounding them & they're better now than ever! I meant to help guide the op to a new & more enjoyable experience; if it came off as a diss, I do apologize... I assure you that was NOT my intent!

 

[cmaier]

Right... I'm going to buy a maxed out mac book pro, use it for some months and then refuse/stop paying Apple because i think their prices are unfair..

More apropos: you buy a maxed out Mac book pro, apple promises a rebate, and then doesn’t give it to you, so you stop making payments on it.

 

[Baymowe335]

Because Apple already is a monopoly, it doesn't need to be even more so.

You might want to look up the definition of monopoly.

 

[kdarling]

Seems to me, of the two feuding children, that Qualcomm kind of “started” it, with their initial withholding of $1 Billion in Royalty rebates.

Qualcomm withheld the kickbacks partly because Apple violated their contract by giving false evidence. (Apple should not complain... their contracts with their suppliers are even worse.)

E.g. Apple told the Korean FTC that they were unable to buy modems from other makers. Poor, poor Apple. Then about six weeks later, the new iPhones came out using Intel modems. A more blatant lie would be hard to find.

I have a hard time with this. I like Qualcomm and want them to do well and stay an active part of the Tech industry.

We all do. Qualcomm invented the 3G that everyone uses/used. And they're a huge part of 4G, 5G and beyond.

Without Qualcomm spending billions of dollars a year on R&D, we wouldn't have all that. Certainly Apple isn't gonna do it.

At the same time, I see Apple’s viewpoint on not wanting to pay them a precentage of earnings per device, as opposed to a flat per device fee.

Except that's exactly how most every member of ETSI charges. Nokia, Motorola, Ericsson, Sony, LG, you name it... they all charge that way so that higher profit phones subsidize the ability for companies to sell tiny profit phones.

And without those billions of tiny profit phones, there would have been NO WORLDWIDE NETWORK for phones like Apple's to use. Apple hates it because they refuse to sell a low profit phone.

Charging by percentage is a totally legal and common way of licensing IP. Heck, even Apple licensed their own IP that way. So any argument otherwise is just nonsense. It's all about money, not right or wrong as Apple's PR would like us to think. Tim Cook sees sales slipping and he needs more profit any way he can get it.

 

[Baymowe335]

Almost all their money is stuck overseas until they repatriate.

You miss the republican tax bill that allowed companies to repatriate overseas cash? Apple did it already and is buying back $100B more in stock.

 

[doboy]

playing chicken

 

[I7guy]

That's not true Apple will hand over whatever data they have tied to you if subpoenaed by a judge. Now people get confused and go "ha ha, it's encrypted and Apple can't decrypt it" but that doesn't matter; they will still hand over your data in an encrypted format. Can law enforcement decrypt it today? I don't know, what about next month? next year? They'll get there eventually.

Don’t know how we got here, but they cannot hand over information on your DEVICE. They can hand over the demographic and purchase information. Maybe even whatever is in iCloud, idk.

But for now unless one is forcibly coerced, device data is safe.
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Qualcomm withheld the kickbacks partly because Apple violated their contract by giving false evidence. (Apple should not complain... their contracts with their suppliers are even worse.)

E.g. Apple told the Korean FTC that they were unable to buy modems from other makers. Poor, poor Apple. Then about six weeks later, the new iPhones came out using Intel modems. A more blatant lie would be hard to find.



We all do. Qualcomm invented the 3G that everyone uses/used. And they're a huge part of 4G, 5G and beyond.

Without Qualcomm spending billions of dollars a year on R&D, we wouldn't have all that. Certainly Apple isn't gonna do it.



Except that's exactly how most every member of ETSI charges. Nokia, Motorola, Ericsson, Sony, LG, you name it... they all charge that way so that higher profit phones subsidize the ability for companies to sell tiny profit phones.

And without those billions of tiny profit phones, there would have been NO WORLDWIDE NETWORK for phones like Apple's to use. Apple hates it because they refuse to sell a low profit phone.

Charging by percentage is a totally legal and common way of licensing IP. Heck, even Apple licensed their own IP that way. So any argument otherwise is just nonsense. It's all about money, not right or wrong as Apple's PR would like us to think. Tim Cook sees sales slipping and he needs more profit any way he can get it.

It seems Apple “hatesL” this is because they don’t want to pay a royalty on a chip for non-technology items.

I would like to know if Qualcomm other license agreements are 100% like this across the board.

 

[MagMan1979]

It's a recurring theme here... the entitlement of some of the members (many actually) is disgustingly insulting to everyone.

How about Apple innovates instead of just throwing money at a solution and swallowing all the competition? That's not progress.

You obviously hate Apple with a passion and constantly troll us here on this site...

Maybe you should consider going to other, non-Apple sites where I think you'd be happier? Or maybe find a new hobby to occupy your time instead of being a troll here?

 

[yngrshr]

Put back in the headphone jack and user installable RAM / SSDs (data is important).
Stop disrespecting consumers by not allowing 3rd party repairs, parts, high fees, etc.
Implement the cmd+x and cmd+v to move files in finder (a standard in every OS and application except Apple?)
Add option for green button to maximize windows in OS X to fill screen without hiding dock and file menu.
Release a headless iMac that isn't gimped like the Mac Mini.
Release a Mac Pro that isn't gimped, outdated and overpriced.

I could go on but I've made my point.

It’s intetesting and telling that you’d rather hit these other comments than defend your ludicrous “Apple is a monopoly!” statement.

 

[Baymowe335]

It's a recurring theme here... the entitlement of some of the members (many actually) is disgustingly insulting to everyone.

How about Apple innovates instead of just throwing money at a solution and swallowing all the competition? That's not progress.

Apple destroys the competition and they haven't made a large acquisition to do it.

They also innovate...a ton. You failing to recognize it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

 

[SBlue1]

Because Apple already is a monopoly, it doesn't need to be even more so.

Is there a different definition of monopoly in the states than there is in Europe?

 

[bladerunner2000]

It’s intetesting and telling that you’d rather hit these other comments than defend your ludicrous “Apple is a monopoly!” statement.

Yah, poorly worded, getting flooded and don't have time nor do I care to respond to EACH one.

 

[Shiro_Simba]

Apple is absolutely entitled to buy any company they want if the company is willing to sell.

Does apple want to be accused of holding a monopoly and engaging in anti-competitive practices? No they don’t want to just buy everyone out.....

 

[840quadra]

Apple did sign the contract that gave QCOM a percentage of the device price - now they want out. It is okay to want out of a contract, but there will be "damages" to pay.

It is a different story if the contract was signed under duress, especially if the controlling entity is not participating in normal practice for FRAND patents as Apple, Samsung, and others are claiming.

 

[CarpalMac]

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5) I want to know why you are so hostile to the idea of apple buying other companies???

When there was an article on here recently announcing Google had bought up a company people were up in arms about their "hoovering up". Seem only fair that it should go both ways.

 

[mi7chy]

When there was an article on here recently announcing Google had bought up a company people were up in arms about their "hoovering up". Seem only fair that it should go both ways.

It's important to note that how Google treat partners is different from Apple. Google treat them more like family and give them the freedom to run independently like DeepMind, Waze, etc. while Apple treat partners more like slavery with complete control and only to be used and thrown under the bus like Qualcomm, Dialog Semiconductors, Imagination Technologies, Foxconn (resulting in suicides), GT Advanced and more.

 

[KPandian1]

It is a different story if the contract was signed under duress, especially if the controlling entity is not participating in normal practice for FRAND patents as Apple, Samsung, and others are claiming.

Apple is grown up enough, even before Steve Jobs left.

Every contract they signed was vetted by an army of lawyers - so no blame on anyone else.

If they, Apple, signed away a % of the selling price of each iPhone to Qualcomm, they are responsible. Never saw a metaphorical gun held to their head.

 

[macfacts]

You might want to look up the definition of monopoly.

Please name all the stores where you can buy iOS apps from.

 

[2GoldFish]

Apple destroys the competition and they haven't made a large acquisition to do it.

They also innovate...a ton. You failing to recognize it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

The only intelligent post here, I cannot agree more. They did launch a black Mac mini after all. Just hold on tight and wait for the Rose Gold Mac mini in 2020 with faster spec & bigger price tag.

 

[cmaier]

It's important to note that how Google treat partners is different from Apple. Google treat them more like family and give them the freedom to run independently like DeepMind, Waze, etc. while Apple treat partners more like slavery with complete control and only to be used and thrown under the bus like Qualcomm, Dialog Semiconductors, Imagination Technologies, Foxconn (resulting in suicides), GT Advanced and more.

LOL. Surely you are joking?
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Please name all the stores where you can buy iOS apps from.

Please name all the restaurants where you can buy Big Macs from.

Then list all the stores where you can buy kindle books.

Hang on - what percentage of the smartphone market does Apple control? Hmm. Much much much less than half.

 

[Baymowe335]

Please name all the stores where you can buy iOS apps from.

Where can you buy Intel Chips from? Where else can you go to Disney World besides Disney World? This is the most pointless, overused, and silly argument possible.

It's called intellectual property. Not every business sells commodities.

Companies vertically integrate all the time. This isn't the only place you can get a phone, software, or your tech needs. This isn't a power company with 1 option and they increase prices monthly. Apple makes products that are entirely the consumer's choice to buy or not. Not only that, you can get a similar experience elsewhere.

 

[sinsin07]

I’m sorry that’s what you got out of that.

I do read books, btw! =)
I have a renewed passion for comics since discovering Comic Zeal on iPad.
I also play a LOT of board games (or tabletop games, as the kids are calling them now). There is a vibrant community surrounding them & they're better now than ever! I meant to help guide the op to a new & more enjoyable experience; if it came off as a diss, I do apologize... I assure you that was NOT my intent!

Reread your own comment.
You start off with a negative and continue from there.

In any regard how often in real life will you be trading sheep, wood, coal, building roads, farming, raising armies and “bartering with your neighbors for goods” as opposed to having a bank account, paying for things with cash, buying a house or some other real estate, paying taxes, etc..