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Apple Issues Advisory Regarding Third-Party Devices Syncing With iTunes
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I think most people who love macs love 'em because they just work. What's wrong with a company putting out software and issuing a statement that says we guarantee that our software will work with our devices and we don't test other devices therefore cannot guarantee they will always work with our software? I don't see this as a black and white statement, either you're with us or you're against us. I just see it as apple telling the world we QA for our devices and that's it. If it happens to dissuade some people from buying third party devices and getting apple devices well then that's a bonus too.
Really a dumb feature by PALM if you ask me. They should have gotten it sanctioned from the beginning positioning themselves as no threat to the iPhone. Instead they just pissed Apple off and this is what they get.
Most of my friends that like PALM (note they are not upgrading to Pre's just yet) HATE anything to do with Apple in the first place so they won't be using iTunes.
The only people who own PRE's using this feature are the ex-Apple engineers and management they hired away from Apple.
Duh....
Exactly. It just works. Case in point. Last night plugged my Mac Pro and PowerBook into a NetGear gbit switch. Also plugged in my wife's Vista laptop and son's XP desktop into the other ports.
My Mac's worked flawlessly with their internet connection. I couldn't have gotten the Vista and XP machines working if my life depended on it so I gave up completely. Someone said something about an IP conflict, but why the FUDGE do my Macs work flawlessly???
Also, I love how on Best Buy's site if you click to buy the Palm Pre there is a banner strip above it that says "iPhone 3GS coming soon!"
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...m+pre&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1218087261903
And why the heck is it $849????
PALM has blown this one completely...
I'll have to give them a try again. I'd like my iTunes music to be accessible on other devices and not deal with iTunes.
I agree with you that Apple has devoted a lot of money to into iTunes, but hey they have spent a lot of money developing Safari, yet they allow that on a Windows machine. If they can make money of Pre customers so be it. Apple's should make their products superior, then customers would buy them over another product regardless of their syncing abilities. Until they open the iPhone up to more than one carrier I will never on a iPhone again. AT&T is the crooked company not Apple. I was tired of having my 1999 Blackberry speeds (AT&T still Edge in my neck of the woods unless I go 100 miles away from my home town) on my iPhone so I switched to the Pre(Which I have 3g speeds in my home town and pretty much the majority of North Carolina) and so far am not looking back. Again, I do not use iTunes to sync my music. There are too many other options out there.
Compared to Apple's own licenses, that help topic article is downright mild. The article:
Versus the Apple software license (caps are theirs, bold is mine):
Apple has constantly disclaimed that anything they write is guaranteed to work with any device, including their own products.
Versus the Apple software license (caps are theirs, bold is mine):
Apple has constantly disclaimed that anything they write is guaranteed to work with any device, including their own products.
Don't be naive. Palm is a competitor. They're piggybacking off of apple's IP and using it as a selling point. Apple can do something about that. Therefore they will (and from a business perspective, should).
You can buy the phone for $550 from Sprint. The $849 is just Best Buy's price which is always inflated like other phones they sell out of contract.
Also I have decided to stay with the Pre since it is a better complete phone and I am an Apple fanatic. The way the Pre syncs with iTunes can't be broken without Apple completely changing the way they allow iPods to sync. They would need to push an updated firmware to every iPod. Also I can easily edit the code if apple decides to update it. Palm may not update it but since it's so easy to root the phone and change stuff I don't have to rely on Palm to fix things. I can do it myself.
Cool good luck! I had a Treo755p bought it the week before iPhone 1G. Had it for 18months paid my insurance then one day it just died. Stuck on the Access Powered boot screen. Took it to Sprint store guy said I had to pay $50 deductible for a new phone EVEN THOUGH I had paid $7 insurance for 18 months up until then.
Told him forget it and canceled my phone right there on the spot.
Sprint sucks butt. Not to mention that everyone complained whenever I called them that the service sounded terrible. Sorry PALM, you lost me. iPhone 3GS here I come. I want it as a micro computer with all the apps phone service is secondary to me.
My work blackberry on Sprint sounds a lot better than the Treo. Maybe Pre is a lot better but wait until the defects start coming to light they won't be able to adapt as quickly as Apple has in the past.
haha. this made me laugh.
Apple isn't in the business to sell the Palm Pre, or even give anyone a reason to buy one (IE iTunes Support)
I think Apple's comment has to be taken at face value: there is no guarantee that future updates will be compatible with third-party devices.
I think that Apple does want to be careful to avoid running afoul of antitrust regulators, which could happen if they deliberately broke syncing with third party devices.
I think that Apple does want to be careful to avoid running afoul of antitrust regulators, which could happen if they deliberately broke syncing with third party devices.
But Apple is in the business of selling music, movies, and etc. More money for Apple. If someone that can't have AT&T why not give them another choice and at least sell them media off iTunes and quite possible even sell more macs.
Did you even read the TEP insurance plan. There has always been a deductible from day one. You agreed to that when you started paying for the insurance.
The 755p sucks and is nothing like the Pre. Sprint in South Florida is better than AT&T which is over saturated and has crap speeds. The Sprint data network is much faster. Obviously this can be very different where you live.
Also "adapt as quickly as Apple has in the past" is kind of funny because they are slow as hell to push updates.
I will agree with most people that the Pre's WebOS was pushed out premature and I would still consider it beta level. The way the OS was designed from a coding perspective is very friendly and there is HUGE potential for this platform. I would recommend anyone to get a pre to try even if they plan to return it before the 30 days. It's nice to see what the device/OS combo is capable of. Then push Apple to adopt some of the concepts. Right now the iPhone is the better complete package being held down by a couple software restrictions and being tied to AT&T.
You're an idiot if you think they don't deserve to keep their own software to themselves and if you think they shouldn't be allowed to keep it away from other companies. What did you expect? Them to hold Palm's hand and say, "Sure, use our software."?
Be careful, you could be banned from the forum for showing evidence of rational thinking....
Better check the rules again....
(And note that the anti-trust laws don't mention having a certain percentage of the market as the definition of a monopoly.)
People should stop talking about this monopoly crap. These guys at Palm are just being plain ol' hackers. Instead of creating a program to sync with itunes or even better maybe even try to license it from Apple, they want to become hackers. Imagine if Apple had hacked Microsoft Exchange instead of licensing it from Microsoft and advertising it as a feature with Snow Leopard, there would be outrage and Microsoft would have their lawyers lined up.
This is Apple, iMean we should know already how they approach this type of thing.
They provide compatibility with a select number of devices in pretty much all scenarios. Select graphics cards, ram, routers, blah blah blah. The same goes for peripherals. They only support the Iphone/pod.
Ideally this means fewer drives, less complication, easier and better support, and that things, for the most part, just work.
I really doubt this is a scare tactic or anything insidious. As many have mentioned before, this is apple telling users of 3rd party devices that there will be no support. Apple does not want to deal with that ****.
One(ish) device keeps things simple. Just imagine if iTunes was bogged down with drivers same way OSX is bogged down with Printer drivers!!
They provide compatibility with a select number of devices in pretty much all scenarios. Select graphics cards, ram, routers, blah blah blah. The same goes for peripherals. They only support the Iphone/pod.
Ideally this means fewer drives, less complication, easier and better support, and that things, for the most part, just work.
I really doubt this is a scare tactic or anything insidious. As many have mentioned before, this is apple telling users of 3rd party devices that there will be no support. Apple does not want to deal with that ****.
One(ish) device keeps things simple. Just imagine if iTunes was bogged down with drivers same way OSX is bogged down with Printer drivers!!
Your comment is fair, but at the same time, I don't want to have to move my music collection to Palm's proprietary software. Does every device have to have its own iTunes?
I wasn't up on all this when iTunes first started, but it seems to me that it swindled its way into a dominant position. In the beginning, it lured others in by supporting other devices, by fooling them into thinking that iTunes would serve as a universal jukebox that would work with all of your devices. However, once iPods had a dominant market share, iTunes stopped supporting competitors.
IMHO, apple should give up this petty attempt to oust other hardware to support its music store and not force users into the iPod ecosystem by holding their music collections hostage. I have read the rumors that the music store breaks even to sell ipods, but still, if we truly own our music, why make it hard for other devices to access it.
Don't get me wrong though I still like the stuff- I'm getting the 3G S on Friday...
Well seeing there are reports that 10.5.7 is causing problems with the Bluetooth Mighty Mouse it's been known to happen.
Be careful, you could be banned from the forum for showing evidence of rational thinking....
Better check the rules again....
(And note that the anti-trust laws don't mention having a certain percentage of the market as the definition of a monopoly.)
Aw cripes, I expect better thinking out of you than this, Aiden.
Gonna be hard to raise anti-trust issues. Gonna have to show Apple is raising barriers to entry to OTHER music providers, not just raising barriers to their own service to devices other than their own. Apple is not compelled to make it easy for other devices to access their software when there no barriers for Palm to work with other providers---as you imply, size, in and of itself, is not a barrier to entry into a market place.