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Personally I'm glad Apple seeks and works for a better world while accepting the realities of the world we currently live in. I see no contradiction in their actions here. Those who do, are ignorant as to what the US military actually is.
 
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I pay taxes so I don't have to stand on a wall at night and tell my family nothing will hurt you tonight without getting past me first. And, I pay taxes so I don't have to personally persuade the government every day that it's not necessary to throw a nuclear weapon every time something looks to be trying to come over the wall. And, I pay taxes so I can keep expressing my opinion in a country where we have free speech even if we now also have a contest about how much free speech I can buy versus how much a mega-corporation or a billionaire can buy...

So here's an opinion: it's pretty cool Apple's among the companies who'll be looking to improve our ability to protect our military forces while also improving their ability to do the job we ask them to do on our behalf.

Quite aside from whether we should have gone into Iraq in 2003, has everyone already forgotten that we sent people on that mission without proper clothes for themselves and their vehicles? Really?

We don't have the draft here any more, so I guess if you don't have anyone serving in the military in your family then maybe you don't care if the gear they carry for their job is as amazing as the gear you can get them for Christmas from Apple. Well there are a lot of people who do care and who hope these companies can make a difference in force security as well as improving the military's ability to perform assigned tasks.

All things considered I'm pretty surprised I wrote this post but there it is.
See, that's what my problem with this endeavor is. I'm from a military family. My dad is a Viet Nam vet and I had also planned to enlist until it became apparent I was growing up to be too small and plagued with health problems to be an effective soldier. I have heard inside stories of family members being sent into dangerous situations with inadequate protective gear and I've shaken my head at some of the cost cutting measures taken that leave military friends and family exposed to danger and hardship.

Yet they are going to allocate all this money to R&D for products they may never end up actually giving to our troops. Not when they skimp already on simple readily available hazmat or radiation gear.

It bothers me that billions of our tax dollars go to the military industrial complex and still our troops have to take second jobs to support their families, our vets have to fight for health care and housing, and our troops still get put in situations where they don't have the right gear or adequate gear. So what the heck is actually happening to all this money?

You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to read right in mainstream news publications like The Washington Post that the R&D seems to actually go to creating products that end up being used to control and track the taxpayers who just want our troops to be safe.

But we shall see. I'm hoping Apple does contribute something meaningful to keeping our troops more safe. However I can't help feeling that involvement with the military is something that is very much the opposite of what Apple was once all about. Steve was a bit of a hippy after all. But he's gone now.
 
Personally I'm glad Apple seeks and works for a better world while accepting the realities of the world we currently live in. I see no contradiction in their actions here. Those who do, are ignorant as to what the US military actually is.

Right now, I believe, it is a killing machine by way of drones.
 
Most known companies in europe/us somehow contributed to war effort during world wars. So you know.

That's why BMW's logo is an airplane propeller...IT IS NOT, I WAS MISTAKEN.

EDIT: Corrected by MacsRgr8's post below.... my apologies
 
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Ah naive and ignorant people...

It's crazy the ignorance (not to say some more demeaning but accurate word about their intelligence) of people, Apple is way more advance than any other hardware company in terms of military and governmental agencies partnership.

As they hint in "Kingsman", iPhone, iPads and Macbook are the most advance spying tools out there...

An old adage state that People with nothing intelligent to say often resort to name calling. Thank you for showing this adage are truly words of wisdom.
 
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See, that's what my problem with this endeavor is. I'm from a military family. My dad is a Viet Nam vet and I had also planned to enlist until it became apparent I was growing up to be too small and plagued with health problems to be an effective soldier. I have heard inside stories of family members being sent into dangerous situations with inadequate protective gear and I've shaken my head at some of the cost cutting measures taken that leave military friends and family exposed to danger and hardship.

Yet they are going to allocate all this money to R&D for products they may never end up actually giving to our troops. Not when they skimp already on simple readily available hazmat or radiation gear.

It bothers me that billions of our tax dollars go to the military industrial complex and still our troops have to take second jobs to support their families, our vets have to fight for health care and housing, and our troops still get put in situations where they don't have the right gear or adequate gear. So what the heck is actually happening to all this money?

You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to read right in mainstream news publications like The Washington Post that the R&D seems to actually go to creating products that end up being used to control and track the taxpayers who just want our troops to be safe.

But we shall see. I'm hoping Apple does contribute something meaningful to keeping our troops more safe. However I can't help feeling that involvement with the military is something that is very much the opposite of what Apple was once all about. Steve was a bit of a hippy after all. But he's gone now.

You make some excellent points. Let's hope Apple and other companies on that list can make a positive difference. The government we've managed to elect for ourselves should be on notice by now that R&D money better *not* all be going to spy on the taxpayers. I should think there are names on that list of companies besides Apple that have CEOs thoroughly prepared to stipulate as much when they pitch in on these projects. The list of companies is long. The potential for whistleblowing is huge.
 
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Tim Cook: Military-Industrial Complex Sellout Coward

Steve would have never gone along with this bulls#^t. You'll notice that when Steve was alive, Apple was not participating in NSA PRISM (Microsoft started participating in PRISM first, in the year 2007.) One year post-Steve, with Tim Cook leading, Apple started participating in PRISM.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Prism_slide_5.jpg

Tim Cook: Military-Industrial Complex Sellout Coward
 
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Hey Tim, is this your vision? I thought you were about Equality, Being Green, Holding Hands and Singing Cumbauya? Peace Love all that sh**?

Helping the Military what? Track us more? I thought that was your encryption mantra? Wait, I see.... You help them and they leave iMessage alone? Is it simply just selling more product at grotesquely high margins to the Govt? I'll have to check when your next Stock Option is up, and look for an email. :apple:
 
Tim Cook: Military-Industrial Complex Sellout Coward

Steve would have never gone along with this bulls#^t. You'll notice that when Steve was alive, Apple was not participating in NSA PRISM, while Microsoft started participating in PRISM first, the year was 2007. One year post-Steve, with Tim Cook leading, Apple started participating in PRISM.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Prism_slide_5.jpg

Tim Cook: Military-Industrial Complex Sellout Coward

Dam straight !!! :apple:
 
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This is a slippery slope Tim. Be very careful. I prefer my Apple devices for many reasons. One of them is because they so far have been more privacy and security conscious than others. Getting in bed with the people that are looking to circumvent my privacy and security in the name of finding terrorist is of concern to me.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Microchips, cellular networks, even the internet came from military innovation. These are nearly an infinitely small list of all the other things that military/government scientists have brought into being.
 
Well, Pentagon... Now it is up to Apple drone, operating fully electrically and firing environmentally friendly charges on those infidels... Sorry, - terrorists.
 
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Really? All this money and effort ultimately being spent to kill someone. And I'm not going to get all PC at this point and say 'feed the poor', etc. I honestly think as a species our number one goal should be space exploration.
 
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I'm proud to support a company that supports our military. The rest of the sheep can rest well tonight despite insulting the sheepdogs that protect them.
 
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It's easy to forget how childish people can be. Oh well. On a side note:
As much as I'd love to see "no war ever again", in our imperfect world I'd rather see bright minds banding together to protect the men and women that serve to defend our homeland as well as other countries; hoping to defend freedom, tolerance, and peace. Not to mention the reciprocal affects this type of technological collaboration could have on the civilian medical, auto, & aviation industries.
 
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