Then I must have just imagined ordering one of these:
http://www.mythlogic.com/configure.php?id=147
for myself with no os installed.
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Apple Just Screwed Microsoft!
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Then I must have just imagined ordering one of these:
http://www.mythlogic.com/configure.php?id=147
for myself with no os installed.
You sent me a link to a Dell site announcing a laptop that can't be ordered online. That you ordered another laptop from another company is pretty meaningless, but it seems pretty clear you're the kind of person who likes to take a meaningless exception (like one of the major PC manufacturers offering one non-Windows laptop) and pretend it means something in the marketplace. It doesn't. At all.
MyMac1976
macrumors 6502a
dan1eln1el5en
macrumors 6502
Microsoft screwed Microsoft.
Faulty OS updates.
Office updates that focuses on new file formats from version to version (forcing usings to keep buying new versions) and updating/confusing the GUI.
Only thing Office is good for is the build in grammar checker and spell checker.
If Microsoft wanted to keep it's market leading position they should've acted long time ago, I think the current market isn't as loyal to Microsoft as it used to be and it is hard to see a reason to "update" to Office 360 or Windows 8 (I like Office 2007 and Windows 7 actually, but would've preffered iWork and OS X, but forced into Microsoft by th ecompany I work for)
Faulty OS updates.
Office updates that focuses on new file formats from version to version (forcing usings to keep buying new versions) and updating/confusing the GUI.
Only thing Office is good for is the build in grammar checker and spell checker.
If Microsoft wanted to keep it's market leading position they should've acted long time ago, I think the current market isn't as loyal to Microsoft as it used to be and it is hard to see a reason to "update" to Office 360 or Windows 8 (I like Office 2007 and Windows 7 actually, but would've preffered iWork and OS X, but forced into Microsoft by th ecompany I work for)
roadbloc
macrumors G3
You clearly haven't used Office in a while. Since Office 2007 Microsoft have used the Open XML format, meaning a document created in Office 2013 can be opened in 2007 or 2010 easily. And if you have Office 2000, XP or 2003, you can install the open XML converter for full compatibility too. And this is for BOTH Windows and Mac versions.
I'm not even going to start what amazing tools Office has over iWork. It isn't just proofing tools. Word is miles better than Pages for handling and organising larger documents (since I spend my life in a word processor, I know this stuff) and Excel is undoubtedly much better than Numbers. If you want powerful features, Office is certainly still the best tool.
As for Windows 8... people are only complaining because its different. Once you get used to it, you realise its actually a lot better than previous versions.
dan1eln1el5en
macrumors 6502
I'm clearly using Office daily (2013 I think this computer is using) but I use it as a normal user, like .docx documents and none of the "you can find those options online r in the advanced menu) it's not my primary tool, but I use it daily.
I sit in a large company where everyone have office as a standard install, and most users will, as me, be regular users, but not advanced.
and it's organizations like this that keeps office alive. as a normal user office is as I described, it's annoying they are changing formats, annoying they are changing the UI constantly, when all I wanna do is make a bullet list in document or something small.
if we had an alternative, I woul've used that. and I think for the 5000+ other users feel the same, only few programmers and engineers actually use spreadsheets and word macros fully.
then MS removed VBA programming for one or two versions...it's back now...but macros are not yet functioning in Windows 7 (from XP).
in general MS is screwing over their regular users and the powerusers with each update.
I agree Winodws 8 is a nice OS, it's quick etc. but when you speak to people there is so much frustration from new Windows 8 users, this is what I reflect on in my post. personally I think 8 is pretty good.
roadbloc
macrumors G3
Which is the Open XML format. Feel free to open it in Office 2011, 2010, 2008 and 2007 with no problems. Install the Open XML convertor and you can open and save them with little problems on Office 2004, 2003, XP and 2000. If there is one thing Microsoft defiantly haven't been doing with Office recently, its sacrificing compatibility with older versions.
Sure, things change, even get removed completely in favor of something else. But it isn't as if Microsoft have just butchered features like Apple have done with iWork. And with the Open XML format that has been used by Office by default since the 2007 release, compatibility has never been easier. Try to open an iWork 09 file in iWork 08 or 05. It won't let you. Now that is a pure example of focusing on a new file format with every version. Microsoft have been using the same file format for Office since 2007.
I'm unsure where you get your conclusions from that Microsoft are the ones screwing over power users or compatibility. They clearly haven't.
From the response to the new iWork (Pages specifically) it sounds like they took a step backwards in making it simpler... like iMovie versus Final Cut Pro. Microsoft Office is still the standard for things like Word Processing for a reason.
thekev
macrumors 604
This is ridiculously myopic. Apple has shuffled pricing somewhat in recent years. The mini trended upwards to its current set of price points. The imac at one point started as low as $1000 without discounts. Bundling software is just a way to add value, but the analogy makes 0 sense unless you can actually prove that an individual or business could spend the same or less for equivalent functionality overall through Apple. Most customers don't even pay directly for Windows, as it's bundled with their computer at the time of purchase, much like OSX is bundled with Macs. I don't care how they package it. You are going to pay for the development costs somewhere. If Apple was unable to profit from this model, it wouldn't exist.
Another example might be the imac. At one point people posted repeatedly about a mid-tower type desktop. With the sale of an imac, Apple is able to sell you both a computer and display.
Another example might be the imac. At one point people posted repeatedly about a mid-tower type desktop. With the sale of an imac, Apple is able to sell you both a computer and display.
noodlemanc
macrumors regular
While it obviously won't mean anything for Windows users, the fact that iWork is free will be a pretty big incentive for a lot of people not to buy M$ Office for Mac. M$ will probably see a pretty big hit to their Office for Mac sales.
roadbloc
macrumors G3
Since iWork was cheaper than Office before it came free, the incitement was there all along. I doubt Office:Mac sales will see any hit.
Michael Goff
Suspended
I guess if you don't need anything big, you can use the recent iWork instead of Office. If you really think the products are comparable anymore, you're likely not somebody who has really used Office (or maybe not used the new iWork)
phoenixsan
macrumors 65816
I echo.....
past comments about this thread/subject. In order to get a hand on Apple software, you have to pay a premium to get Apple hardware, either new or used. That premium has come to zero in some cases and/or some models....
And yes, Apple uses software to drive hardware sales. And MS makes money even selling the infamous MS-DOS......😕......😱
🙂
past comments about this thread/subject. In order to get a hand on Apple software, you have to pay a premium to get Apple hardware, either new or used. That premium has come to zero in some cases and/or some models....
And yes, Apple uses software to drive hardware sales. And MS makes money even selling the infamous MS-DOS......😕......😱
🙂