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India has higher number of engineers than US. That is why we put our intelligence in buying better products such as a Lumia or a Moto G / X instead of something that retails to as close as $1000 and feels super fragile

Lumia? I guess there isn't many software engineers.
 
Fun fact. The 16gb s5 comes with many more apps and can cheaply and easily be expanded with microsd. :rolleyes:

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And that's a fair comparison because the 18 month old tech in the 5c is equivalent to two brand new flagship Androids? :rolleyes: what are you smoking?


The micro SD expansion is the biggest lie , you can't install games on it and you can't move system files , you can't even move some multimedia files
 
Not a bad price ... the one good thing about India - you can bargain the hell out of anything.
Imagine two indian-accented people talking:
Customer: I'm interested in this phone.
Seller: Oh no no. You do not want that phone. Take this phone. It is the iPhone made by apple.
C: no, I think I would rather stick with this cheap phone. How much?
S: No no no. That phone is bad. This phone is the iPhone. Look how colorful it is. And just for you, only for you, I will give you a 4000 rupee discount. From Rs. 41,900, I will give you the phone for Rs. 37900.
C: No thank you. I would prefer this cheap nokia phone.
S: Ok how about this. You seem like a good guy, so I'll throw in a free Rs. 2000 case for you. You just saved another Rs.2000
C: well ... hmm that does sound tempting but it's still too expensive.
S: But this is made from Apple. From America.
C: Yeah but this is made from Nokia. From Finland.
S: Oh (sad face)
C: Oh gosh. Ok fine, make it an even Rs. 30000 and I'll buy it.
S: That's too low.
C: Well think about. You are giving me a 4000 rupee discount on a phone that's priced at Rs. 37900. On top of that you are giving me a Rs. 2000 discount for a free case. So keep the free case, and give me Rs. 6000 off. What's an extra Rs 1000 huh?
S: No I can't do it.
C: Ok well. I think I'm out then. Bye! (proceed towards door)
S: Wait!
C: (smirk) yes
S: Rs. 30000 is too low, I'll do it for Rs 32000.
C: will you throw in a free case
S: yes
C: excellent. pleasure doing business with you
S: thank you, come again.
 
There are 1,200,000,000 people in India. Lets assume 0.5% of them are rich. That means 6,000,000 potential iPhone customers.

Over several years, perhaps. Q1 2014 only saw total smartphone sales of 14.5 million in India, divided as:

44% - Samsung
18% - Micromax
_5% - Karbonn

Apple currently sells about 3%, or 400,000 iPhones (less than 2 million a year).

Even Samsung is feeling the pressure of the two local companies above, which sell 5" HD display smartphones for $250.
 
Why does the 8GB iPhone even exist? The cost difference between 8GB and 16GB of NAND flash is negligible. They could just drop the price of the 16GB model and have their cheap "emerging markets" phone.
 
For you and all the other snobby commentors like you... Please check your facts before vomiting stupid stuff...

I am in India and know about the prices in India and you can check out prices at http://www.flipkart.com. I have seen the performance of Moto G and Moto X Moto X is really fast, Apple has to have better partners than Vodafone, Reliance, or Airtel. The average Indian consumer cannot afford iPhone 5c rates, Motorola is a better option for the mid-range Indian consumer.

Btw, I own an iPhone and have been using Apple Computer ever since OS X 10.0 beta release,
 
The 8GB iPhone I have never understood. It's the phone where you can take about 10 photos, put 3 albums on it and record one 10 second video.

Totally idiotic.
 
Rich people in India already bought unlocked phones

There are 1,200,000,000 people in India. Lets assume 0.5% of them are rich. That means 6,000,000 potential iPhone customers. They are selling to the half percent who can afford it. If one one in ten of there rich people buy a $500 phone then Apple takes in about $3B. There are SO MANY people there that even if you sell to only 0.05% of them you still make billions.

And don't forget that the rich people always will like to have the best gadgets when they are out on market, so from those 0,5%, 04% already bought their smartphones unlocked on a different country. Maybe some of them will buy 5c for their kids.
So in the end Apple only will have 0.1% to sell.
 
Brazil, India, China...

Brazil, China, India... Why do the rich from these countries would buy the 5C if the 5S is just a hundred or more dollars apart? iPhones are expensive phones, even the C series are not really cheap. If I am to buy an expensive phone, I want the top one, that is the mentality of the consumers in those countries, including Brazil that is my home. That is the reason of the "failure" of the C series for the moment, that is my humble opinion and experience.
 
Why does the 8GB iPhone even exist? The cost difference between 8GB and 16GB of NAND flash is negligible. They could just drop the price of the 16GB model and have their cheap "emerging markets" phone.
Are these new models? My guess is they fused off and reflashed these so that a 16 GB model suddenly becomes a 8 GB model in an attempt to sell off the remaining models.
 
There are 1,200,000,000 people in India. Lets assume 0.5% of them are rich. That means 6,000,000 potential iPhone customers. They are selling to the half percent who can afford it. If one one in ten of there rich people buy a $500 phone then Apple takes in about $3B. There are SO MANY people there that even if you sell to only 0.05% of them you still make billions.

If they are rich - why on earth would they buy a iPhone 5C with 8GB? They would buy a "normal" 5S or 5C if they already have not done so abroad.
 
If they are rich - why on earth would they buy a iPhone 5C with 8GB? They would buy a "normal" 5S or 5C if they already have not done so abroad.

The 8GB 5c isn't aimed at the "rich". It's aimed at the aspirational middle classes.
 
If only 10% of the population of India could afford the 5c, that's still around 100 million potential customers. That's huge.
 
If only 10% of the population of India could afford the 5c, that's still around 100 million potential customers. That's huge.

At the current rate of iPhone sales in India (< 0.2% of the population a year), it would take more than fifty years to hit 10% of today's population figure.

It's all about price and subsidies. Doesn't matter if it's a poor or rich country, people don't like paying a lot upfront. Most people are going to buy the best device they can for under ~$250 out of pocket.

India doesn't have subsidies, so the normal $570 iPhone price is too much for most people (this would be true even in the USA!). Trade-in programs and loans are how Apple has managed to boost their sales to even the relatively small amount it has now in India.

Ironically, it's the richest countries that have the most subsidized prices which lower the perceived device cost. I.e it's where the iPhone is priced under $200 (USA, etc) or even free (Japan), that it rises above ~15% marketshare.
 
At the current rate of iPhone sales in India (< 0.2% of the population a year), it would take more than fifty years to hit 10% of today's population figure.

It's all about price and subsidies. Doesn't matter if it's a poor or rich country, people don't like paying a lot upfront. Most people are going to buy the best device they can for under ~$250 out of pocket.

India doesn't have subsidies, so the normal $570 iPhone price is too much for most people (this would be true even in the USA!). Trade-in programs and loans are how Apple has managed to boost their sales to even the relatively small amount it has now in India.

Ironically, it's the richest countries that have the most subsidized prices which lower the perceived device cost. I.e it's where the iPhone is priced under $200 (USA, etc) or even free (Japan), that it rises above ~15% marketshare.

You are absolutely right. When the iPhone 5C was launched, there were no big lines and certainly no hype. Most of them are still going with iPhone 4S.

It's cheap and works pretty well. So far I only know one who bought iPhone 5C on the day of the launch.
 
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