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Re: excluding the iPhone 4

Apple loves to talk about how so many customers are on their newest OS. What they don't say is that a lot of those customers are on a crippled version of the latest OS. At least Android 2.3 has good turn-by-turn directions.

I can't wait until Apple starts doing this with OS X. Can you imagine not having major features unless you have the latest hardware?
 
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The maps are a bit strange looking. Could just be because we are all used to google's map style. We'll have to wait to see if this map system is any good.

I do think one thing though. What is apple's goal in switching to it's own map? it is because google made android and Apple's still piss for Steve's sakes? Or do they actually have a vision?

I ask this because while google makes money off it's map by having it integrated into their search and advertising system. What does apple gets out of paying to create and maintain the map system? Think about it. Apple's primary income is still hardware. And from a cynical point of view I don't think google would have stop offering their stuff for iOS. Yes there hasn't been turn by turn on iphone yet but we don't know who's decision was it not to offer it from google.

Each person can only handle so many task at the same time. And I think even large companies need to know their limits. At the end of the day company direction needs to be maintained from the top. And if the guys at the top has too many things to think about you can easily get into trouble.

iOS is apple's flagship software product. And this update while interesting does not raises iOS head and shoulder above it's competitors. And those competitors will always roll the ball forward more often than apple, who follows a strict internal cycle.

Could it be that maybe Apple should have concentrated more on core iOS features and leave something that was already good to google? Who was providing it for free anyhow.
 
Apple loves to talk about how so many customers are on their newest OS. What they don't say is that a lot of those customers are on a crippled version of the latest OS. At least Android 2.3 has good turn-by-turn directions.

I'd bet one of the main reasons for ditching google is probably google refusing to allow turn-by-turn on the iphone, or even updating the app to allow siri to integrate with it, etc

It's easy to blame apple, but at the end of the day no-one knows who's to blame either way but i'm pretty sure apple would've brought it sooner had they been able to.

The new maps looks different but now i might actually start using Siri more!
 
WGAF about turning off wifi? Android has to have that because it's so inefficient and otherwise the battery won't last the day. iOS doesn't have that problem. Adding that feature would only add unnecessary complexity to the OS.

This is simply not true. I enjoy my iPhone but this is one area in particular I was surprised they did not make an improvement. There are many of us that would like a much quicker way to do this. There are some tweaks out there that are very well done and if Apple implemented them in a way very similar to those, it would not add any complexity to the OS. Your statements are utterly false.
 
"Some features may not be available in all countries or all areas.

This is the worst bit, Apple can't be seriously considering only mapping the US and Canada. I would imagine that with most of Apple's users being international and also the fact the even if you live in the US the turn by turn directions would be most useful when travelling overseas.

If turn by turn only works in the US it would be ridiculous.

Also g-d knows why Apple won't include international support for Siri location based queries, the companies Apple uses to find places in the US also have restaurants and places mapped out in Australia also. It doesn't make sense.

I'm going to get down voted. But every international Apple user is sick of us being treated like 2nd class citizens who don't deserve the most useful features. Even if Apple only opened this features to the 1st tear of release countries it would probably allow 40% more users to use the feature and that's only 5 or 6 more countries. An easy workload for the biggest company in the world.

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Re: excluding the iPhone 4

Apple loves to talk about how so many customers are on their newest OS. What they don't say is that a lot of those customers are on a crippled version of the latest OS. At least Android 2.3 has good turn-by-turn directions.

I can't wait until Apple starts doing this with OS X. Can you imagine not having major features unless you have the latest hardware?
Yes but then people would be complaint their devices are running slow. Imagine multitasking on the 3G.

Also Apple's a business they need to encourage people to upgrade to the new OS. Android is not for profit by Google so they don't need to worry about encouraging people to upgrade Google can add in whatever they want and the manufactures worry about that. As long as people are using the phone Google will make money without worrying about upgrading etc.

Hopefully now that Apple is moving away from Google, Apple can start making money from some software features thus reducing the need to encourage us to upgrade hardware. That would be better for everyone.
 
Other Country Maps?

Those of you who have already installed the beta version of iOS 6, can you please tell how is the coverage for maps in countries outside North America and Europe?

I know google has maps with directions in almost the entire world. How is this new map doing outside of North America and Europe?
 
So are we going to see maps.apple.com? If Apple doesn't deliver their maps via web browser, I surely hope I have the option to still use Google's maps.

Wasn't it SJ that said something like we believe in choice?
 
What will happen to the current google maps? Will it be replaced with this? Or both will be there?
 
So the map data is coming from TomTom for the iOS 6.0 Maps program.

Question: who will provide the map data for Japan and South Korea? Remember, Zenrin, the largest maker of mapping software in Japan, provides the map data for Google Maps for Japan itself.
 
Personally, I could care less about Siri, Twitter and Facebook integration.... This social network emphasis and potential lack of privacy really bothers me. Old fuddy-duddy here! Back to the maps thing: if the new program works without having to use Siri to ask directions, fine. if not, well....for me it's back to Garmin and their Nuvi......
 
anyone else not seeing 3D maps anything like what was shown during the keynote and all the screen shots? i see flattened images like before.
 
No and they also lost the Steve's View.

Which, if Tim's recent interview with D10 was anything to go by, is actually what Steve himself would have wanted.

Steve apparently didn't want people to keep trying to second-guess what a dead person might or would have done in a particular circumstance. He just wants the person in charge to do what they feel is best for the company. :)
 
I'd bet one of the main reasons for ditching google is probably google refusing to allow turn-by-turn on the iphone, or even updating the app to allow siri to integrate with it, etc

It's easy to blame apple, but at the end of the day no-one knows who's to blame either way but i'm pretty sure apple would've brought it sooner had they been able to.

The new maps looks different but now i might actually start using Siri more!

As pointed out many MANY times before The Map app being crap was 100% apples fault. Apple was in charge of updating it and integrating everything in with it. Apple did nothing with it since pretty much day 1.
 
No transit or walking directions means I wont be updating to ios 6 anytime soon. It's 2012, does anyone still use cars? Might as well launch an app with horseback only directions.

Perhaps I'm bitter because I live in NYC. But jeez it just seems like a huge PR disaster as there are so many iPhone users here that will update there OS over the air and then without warning be unable to get directions without finding some hitherto unknown third party app.
 
Not having street view is going to really piss me off. I use it all the time going around to places I haven't been before.

I really hope there is a way to use Google Maps for this.
 
I have Navigon and they should be worried. Their revenue strategy sucks, Fresh Maps was the last straw for me. Real time rendering hopefully means that they won't be charging for fresh maps or frequently delivered fresh maps. I just hope Apple's offering is more stable

Thanks for the explanation. So, let's say I turn off my phone on the plane in ATL. 5 hrs later I land in SF with no signal. How is TomTom or Navigaon or any GPS app for that matter going to give me a route to the East Bay without a signal?

With Navigon I just make sure the maps I'm going to need at my destination are loaded on my iPhone before I leave.
 
Not having street view is going to really piss me off. I use it all the time going around to places I haven't been before.

I really hope there is a way to use Google Maps for this.

Google have already implied they will be submitting a version of Google Maps to the App Store.
 
Apple will block it. I just know they will, remember they tell us what we want to have.

Not a good idea for them to do that. They'll get their ass chewed by our government in an antitrust move.

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Thats not the same. Apple is in the fight now. They weren't before.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...on_will_come_to_iphone_if_apple_approves.html
Ring a bell?

They may take their sweet time, but they'll approve eventually.
 
Google have already implied they will be submitting a version of Google Maps to the App Store.

This is excellent news, maybe they can get a version that is far more up to date then the one in iOS 5.

If that goes over well, maybe they should do the same with the YouTube app. Both are seriously neglected.
 
I have to agree that I fully expect iOS Maps to be useless outside of America.
Navigation in the UK is very complex compared to the states and dedicated UK Sat Navs are not great at the best of times.

I hope Google offer their maps app as a standalone app, rather than relying on the cumbersome web version
 
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