That's an impressive amount of apps! They're not a substitute for native third party apps, though. I'm waiting to see how Apple will eventually handle that. Some sort of process where they approve the apps and handle installation via the iTunes store would probably make the most sense, since I imagine they're keen to stop people from using an SDK to make and distribute apps that unlock iPhone SIMs.
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All this whining about an SDK. Tell you what, you apply to Apple and tell them you can write an SDK in a couple days.
This stuff takes time folks. Until you hear Apple say, no we aren't doing it, nothing but webapps, whine all you want. You better sell your devices though, no sense in supporting a company who doesn't give you what you want.
Apple never promised anyone native apps. So to whine and cry as if they are doing you a disservice makes you sound like big babies. You knew what you were getting when you bought it. Don't buy something and play the "I bought your product now listen to me" game. It is childish. This idea of being entitled to something is ridiculous. Grow up folks. It is a phone.
Hey! You are attacking the wrong person. I never said I prefer an sd- whatever that is..... I just simply think those webapps are boring n a waste of energy. I personally have no desire to hack any devices. I am content with just the way they are. If the Touch didn't have wi-fi, I wouldn't have bought it. Of course a few more cool apps on here would be cool even if they were music based only being this is a music device on steroids.
Not all free apps
No one is noticing that these aren't all free apps? Some games are charging $2.99 for 33 days of use, WTF?
No one is noticing that these aren't all free apps? Some games are charging $2.99 for 33 days of use, WTF?
My request for the iPhone "October 2007"
firmware update... a CSS option that moves Safari controls off-screen when the page loads (similar to the one that controls the page load width for iphone) and a requires a Home button press to re-instate the controls. Safari web apps would feel more like real apps.Please educate me how Linux is revolutionary apps? Or how does Linux develop revolutionary apps?
wow so they made a site that links to other sites. that's pretty amazing. never have a seen a list of bookmarks get so much attention. this doesn't solve installing apps on the phone apple
I think that it is totally inappropriate to have someone sit back and tell people on this forum to stop their whining and crying. That in itself is a disservice to the members here. We have our opinions, and are simply stating them. We also have our wish lists and are stating them also. The same was done in the development of the MAC OS that we run today. These were listened to, and I have to believe that the community will also be listened to when it comes to native apps on the iPhone. Yes, we bought them knowing what the capabilities were. Yes, we also bought them knowing what Apple is capable of doing. Webapps will make some people happy, they will make some people unhappy, and others will be non-committal - I have seen it all in this thread so far. We have all stated our opinions and our wishes - please do not "slam" us for that. Oh - yes - it is a phone, it works well - but it's much more and will be very much more.
Hey, I want real 3rd party apps as well. But first of all, there is no reason to complain because like I said, we all knew what we were getting.
Do I think Apple will listen? Maybe. But they aren't going to listen to a bunch of whiners. Suing Apple and the likes because there are no 3rd party apps is insane.
There are ways about going about this.
1. An organized and rational appeal to Apple.
2. Don't buy the iPhone. Hit them where it hurts, sales.
My point here is to not cry foul. Apple hasn't done any harm to you by not having native apps. Zero. They didn't lie, they didn't bait and switch you. This is typical of the Apple community. They hype themselves up, hype hype hype. They find out it won't have it. They still hype hype hype, "maybe it will come before it is released." They get the product. It still isn't there. Hype hype hype, "it is coming." Then something solidifies the idea that it won't be, and it is "OMG, screw Apple!," They are so stupid!!!!
"That is what I am sick of the attitude here. Whining like little babies because you feel entitled to something you were never promised is completely childish. You can't buy a product that clearly excludes a feature and then begin demanding it. You might succeed, however you should really take a look at yourself and how ridiculous you are being. Would you buy a car that only has a speedometer and then demand a tachometer? Even though you had prior knowledge as to what it included? Sure we can make suggestions, but again, you bought the product with foreknowledge of what it was. To get angry and downright idiotic because said company decides not to give it to you shows how detached from reality you are.
We can have opinions, I have one that jives with people here. However, I am not about to cry about it. It was never promised.
So no, what I have said is not a disservice. Quite the contrary, my goal is to raise some rational thinking. Put things in perspective a little. I started this thread with an actual goal and methodology: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/366092/
Yet people would rather cry in here. Which do you find more inappropriate?
iPhone WebApps
I am getting really confused now about all this complaining regarding the iPhone. Doesnt the iPhone do all things it was supposed to do when you bought it? You bought a phone that said could only be used with AT&T. Does it not connect to AT&T? You spent over $500 bucks for a gadget that had a certain number of apps. Is any app advertised missing from your iPhone? I believe it was crystal clear when you bought it what it could and wouldnt do. What is the problem?
You say Apple doesnt know what its doing yet I do not see you produce a phone like the one you say they should do. If you believe you are so much better than Apple, please produce the perfect phone yourself (by the number of complaints I read around youll probably be billionaire in just a couple of hours).
Maybe this is the best Apple can do at the moment; which is much more that what many other companies in the same business have done so far. I did not hear you complain about the lack of a real browser on your last phone, or the lack of third party apps for it.
The iPhone is just staring and I think with all its shortcomings is quite impressive. Now, if you do not like what the iPhone does, no one is pointing a gun to your head to buy one. Please feel free to buy any other phone you think is better than the iPhone.
I like what Ive seen so far and I believe were just witnessing the beginning of something very, very special.
I am getting really confused now about all this complaining regarding the iPhone. Doesnt the iPhone do all things it was supposed to do when you bought it? You bought a phone that said could only be used with AT&T. Does it not connect to AT&T? You spent over $500 bucks for a gadget that had a certain number of apps. Is any app advertised missing from your iPhone? I believe it was crystal clear when you bought it what it could and wouldnt do. What is the problem?
You say Apple doesnt know what its doing yet I do not see you produce a phone like the one you say they should do. If you believe you are so much better than Apple, please produce the perfect phone yourself (by the number of complaints I read around youll probably be billionaire in just a couple of hours).
Maybe this is the best Apple can do at the moment; which is much more that what many other companies in the same business have done so far. I did not hear you complain about the lack of a real browser on your last phone, or the lack of third party apps for it.
The iPhone is just staring and I think with all its shortcomings is quite impressive. Now, if you do not like what the iPhone does, no one is pointing a gun to your head to buy one. Please feel free to buy any other phone you think is better than the iPhone.
I like what Ive seen so far and I believe were just witnessing the beginning of something very, very special.
Apple is trying to pave the way to the future - but like the Newton croaked, maybe this concept will to - though you will see, if anything, it will only be forestalled.
Basically Apple looks to be priming people to not 'owning' or keeping content on their devices anymore.
Lets look at the bigger picture. Web offices online from Microsoft, etc., and is there not, at least talks of, Adobe putting their apps online where it frees you of having to have the app on your hard-drive. (Just what I needed, Photoshop on some server somewhere...its already slow as it is, and I cant see this concept of applications being served up via a server really benefiting me...imagine Maya and Final Cut with AfterEffects all coming to you from a server and not being located on your harddrive. Forget the internet connections - again these apps would benefit by being juiced up on some faster machines before they go that route.)
Now that I have ranted about that concept, it seems logical this is what Apple is doing with these Apps, perhaps. It would be the smallest and easiest trial product to start with. Small apps that wont break you if you cant get to them for some reason, to get you used to the concept.
One day you wont have an app on your computer, and you will be charged for every second you use an app. (Thats how greedy the companies are...not enough you buy an app, how can they charge you more.)
Kind of like ringtones. You buy a song, but by no means is it yours to make shorter for a ringtone. Most people seem content with this and say, "yes master...I do not have any right but to listen to the song in the one format you require of me.
I will say, technology is sweet, but if strict - greed center control is placed on it, no one benefits. Not even the greedy, we will not progress nearly as fast as we would with a more open spirit to things.
Think of the no skype, ichat, etc. From one view point AT&T says, "its my network, I can do what I want". There has to be a halfway meeting point on this...and not so tight control on things, or things will go through their fingers, and ultimately be messy for all.
This is a quickly written piece, but I think the main point gets across.
I realize someone, somewhere made the comment that its easier to support a tighter controlled environment. This is fine...no one has said that they need to support every app that is there. As pointed out people can download crap to the computer now and mess up their computer and Apple wont be at fault, so why get buggy about iphone.
I just know that trillion is going to float my way and I will open my own technology company.
Peace
dAlen
Basically Apple looks to be priming people to not 'owning' or keeping content on their devices anymore.
Lets look at the bigger picture. Web offices online from Microsoft, etc., and is there not, at least talks of, Adobe putting their apps online where it frees you of having to have the app on your hard-drive. (Just what I needed, Photoshop on some server somewhere...its already slow as it is, and I cant see this concept of applications being served up via a server really benefiting me...imagine Maya and Final Cut with AfterEffects all coming to you from a server and not being located on your harddrive. Forget the internet connections - again these apps would benefit by being juiced up on some faster machines before they go that route.)
Now that I have ranted about that concept, it seems logical this is what Apple is doing with these Apps, perhaps. It would be the smallest and easiest trial product to start with. Small apps that wont break you if you cant get to them for some reason, to get you used to the concept.
One day you wont have an app on your computer, and you will be charged for every second you use an app. (Thats how greedy the companies are...not enough you buy an app, how can they charge you more.)
Kind of like ringtones. You buy a song, but by no means is it yours to make shorter for a ringtone. Most people seem content with this and say, "yes master...I do not have any right but to listen to the song in the one format you require of me.
I will say, technology is sweet, but if strict - greed center control is placed on it, no one benefits. Not even the greedy, we will not progress nearly as fast as we would with a more open spirit to things.
Think of the no skype, ichat, etc. From one view point AT&T says, "its my network, I can do what I want". There has to be a halfway meeting point on this...and not so tight control on things, or things will go through their fingers, and ultimately be messy for all.
This is a quickly written piece, but I think the main point gets across.
I realize someone, somewhere made the comment that its easier to support a tighter controlled environment. This is fine...no one has said that they need to support every app that is there. As pointed out people can download crap to the computer now and mess up their computer and Apple wont be at fault, so why get buggy about iphone.
I just know that trillion is going to float my way and I will open my own technology company.
Peace
dAlen
Well chalk one up for the pandering department.
Its a disservice when people carry on with the same complaints. If you want something changed, email Apple. For some of you, email Dr. Phil.
What happened to the days when people would do research before following the Pied Piper to you local Apple store?
When I first read about this, I must have missed the word "Web", because I got really excited. Then when I found out it was just all webapps I'd seen before, my hopes were dashed. I actually thought Apple announced third party app support
Anyway, this isn't big news. I could have found all these web apps on Google.
Anyway, this isn't big news. I could have found all these web apps on Google.
You spend far too much of your computer experience inside a browser. These are "pretty good" solutions, and ones that are in no way novel to the iPhone. Treos and Palms can use most of those. Here's my reply to a similar post in a similar thread
mainstreetmark said:
It's just so limiting to have to do stuff with high, high level code, like HTML and javascript. The iPhone is a full computer! It even has a jack on the bottom. If you could program the iPhone like a computer, I can already visualize stuff like a portable diagnostics device, which you plug into some airplane or automobile, and it displays diagnostic data, communicates with the central computer and installs firmware updates, or even just displays to the technician what is wrong with the item he's hooked up to. There are numerous examples in industry and commerce where a computer in your pocket (one that happens to have a camera, a speaker, a large multitouch display, a microphone and two types of network connectors) would be beneficial.
You can come back with that ol' "Minority" argument, but so what? People working on these applications are not paid for by you or Apple. They are paid for by the people who truly want a device that can expand to meet the demand of anything, and Apple/ATT benefit from the increased demand. The iPhone is PHYSICALLY capable of handling anything (or soon will be), and for any one of you to say that there should not be a native SDK should instead say "Let there be a Native SDK, and I'll choose not to install those apps on my phone". If Apple remains in control, all we're going to get is the generic stuff (photos, documents) and no one will ever be able to create a solution for a specific need.
I can think of dozens of application examples I want that are not possible, even with extra offline safari-isms. The iPhone is uniquely capable, and I can't wait for that capability to be passed on to us developers so we can get out in the field with something more useful than a notepad.
An idea for something that they could do for now, until they decide on a SDK, is to make a dashboard for the iphone. I think some other posters have hinted at this. Make it so that you either tap on a dashboard icon, or triple tap the home button or something, and a translucent dashboard pops up, just like in Tiger, with icons for the web apps. This would make them much easier to access and use, and seem more like "apps". It would also make the interface seem more like osx, and tie in with macs and leopard. I think it would also spur more development of these web apps, as they would be seen as more useful and an official part of the phone.
So I have thought long and hard (thats what she said) about this issue with webapps and while at first i was just as pissed as the rest of you, I've come to the conclusion that what Apple is doing now is sort of changing the paradigm here; they're thinking outside the box. I mean imagine, with the iPhone, we have a device that is constantly (well almost constantly) connected to the internet. So why not have the apps web based? Its like ondemand movies except in application form. Instead of having to write a dedicated app to go on your device, Apple has designed this to function in a manner so that when you need an app, go to that site or your bookmarks and grab it there, no install, just use and you're done.
I find this interesting and rather exciting now because while its implementation is a bit off IMO right now (having to run through safari, etc), the concept is really neat. I think if Apple down the road gives the option of having shortcut icons on your iPhone/iPod Touch for these apps and makes it so that they don't have to run through the browser, they can keep it web based but still have the convience of a dedicated app.
There will always be a place for both, and I think apple will design a true SDK and delivery system for dedicated apps, but lets face it, with the power of web 2.0, we will see a shift down the road to apps like these (more sophisticated though) and a decrease in your dedicated apps. Apple is just trying to push the bar a bit while (at least I believe) it works on a method to maintain security and stability yet offering the ability to make your own dedicated apps.
Either way, this directory is hardly a bad thing, it makes this concept one step closer to actually really working well in the real world.
PS, I love the idea of a dashboard-esq web app launcher that freediverdude suggested.
I find this interesting and rather exciting now because while its implementation is a bit off IMO right now (having to run through safari, etc), the concept is really neat. I think if Apple down the road gives the option of having shortcut icons on your iPhone/iPod Touch for these apps and makes it so that they don't have to run through the browser, they can keep it web based but still have the convience of a dedicated app.
There will always be a place for both, and I think apple will design a true SDK and delivery system for dedicated apps, but lets face it, with the power of web 2.0, we will see a shift down the road to apps like these (more sophisticated though) and a decrease in your dedicated apps. Apple is just trying to push the bar a bit while (at least I believe) it works on a method to maintain security and stability yet offering the ability to make your own dedicated apps.
Either way, this directory is hardly a bad thing, it makes this concept one step closer to actually really working well in the real world.
PS, I love the idea of a dashboard-esq web app launcher that freediverdude suggested.
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3A109a Safari/419.3)
Isn't the point of having Safari on the iPhone to allow people to view full size web pages and not have to revert to special iPhone only web sites? Apple just needs to allow normal app development for the iPhone :-/
Isn't the point of having Safari on the iPhone to allow people to view full size web pages and not have to revert to special iPhone only web sites? Apple just needs to allow normal app development for the iPhone :-/
I disagree with part of this. Having iPhone maximized Apps is far better than having to go to regular web sites. While it's great to have the ability to do so (well, would be if Flash were added...but I digress), sites designed for the phone look better and load faster.
This is good.
There are some nice webapps--- but the whole loading process is SLOW. Even via wifi, the loading process is not as quick or rapid as it could be if the applications were native. Then if you switch to an EDGE connection- you're multiplying the load time delay exponentially.
I think it is good to have lots of web based apps, and it is good that they are being developed. But until the loading speed can be addressed they are really just a bandaid, not a cure.
I think it is good to have lots of web based apps, and it is good that they are being developed. But until the loading speed can be addressed they are really just a bandaid, not a cure.
damn it
just want to read my .mac mail on the iPt. safari on it does a pretty bad job. can't access the folders, when sending it just flips back to the application screen, etc. com'on apple doesn't work with apple? now just hope for the future left. waited 2 years for the iPt. patience is a virtue but recent develpments just result in growing doubt..
just want to read my .mac mail on the iPt. safari on it does a pretty bad job. can't access the folders, when sending it just flips back to the application screen, etc. com'on apple doesn't work with apple? now just hope for the future left. waited 2 years for the iPt. patience is a virtue but recent develpments just result in growing doubt..
You may have to do a bit of research here, but I think:
1. You can connect to other pop accounts with gmail
2. There's a mobile version of gmail.
Hey, I want real 3rd party apps as well. But first of all, there is no reason to complain because like I said, we all knew what we were getting.
Do I think Apple will listen? Maybe. But they aren't going to listen to a bunch of whiners. Suing Apple and the likes because there are no 3rd party apps is insane.
There are ways about going about this.
1. An organized and rational appeal to Apple.
2. Don't buy the iPhone. Hit them where it hurts, sales.
My point here is to not cry foul. Apple hasn't done any harm to you by not having native apps. Zero. They didn't lie, they didn't bait and switch you. This is typical of the Apple community. They hype themselves up, hype hype hype. They find out it won't have it. They still hype hype hype, "maybe it will come before it is released." They get the product. It still isn't there. Hype hype hype, "it is coming." Then something solidifies the idea that it won't be, and it is "OMG, screw Apple!," They are so stupid!!!!
That is what I am sick of the attitude here. Whining like little babies because you feel entitled to something you were never promised is completely childish. You can't buy a product that clearly excludes a feature and then begin demanding it. You might succeed, however you should really take a look at yourself and how ridiculous you are being. Would you buy a car that only has a speedometer and then demand a tachometer? Even though you had prior knowledge as to what it included? Sure we can make suggestions, but again, you bought the product with foreknowledge of what it was. To get angry and downright idiotic because said company decides not to give it to you shows how detached from reality you are.
We can have opinions, I have one that jives with people here. However, I am not about to cry about it. It was never promised.
So no, what I have said is not a disservice. Quite the contrary, my goal is to raise some rational thinking. Put things in perspective a little. I started this thread with an actual goal and methodology: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/366092/
Yet people would rather cry in here. Which do you find more inappropriate?
I agree about not buying another iPhone when my contract runs out. I'm actually tempted to just sell it off and buy a BB, Palm or Nokia. Their new phones coming out in 08 are simply going to blow the iPhone out of the water. If Apple continues with this stupid web based "apps" push.
The competition are going all out next year and wow, they are looking really good. UI touch and hopefully jettison windows mobile or update it so that touch UI will be from top to bottom like Apple.
It's too bad, Apple did push the future of hardware and UI design on the mobile device to bring us to the 22nd century. But as far as functionality goes, they completely blew it. So many other cheaper smart phones can run circles around the iPhone when it comes to real applications and features for both work and play.
Too bad. I'm sure the iPod Touch will still be around. Now thats the one I will get to replace my iPhone for entertainment purposes.
http://www.apple.com/webapps/?sr=hotnews?sr=hotnews.rss
Pretty cool site...I am definitely bookmarking it now
Enjoy!
AddFone has almost 1,000 applications on the database. Five times more than Apple's directory and includes native apps.... and is growing faster each day.
http://addfone.com