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Apple: Makes $30 billion in profit every quarter

Also Apple: Here let’s fire some people making $30 an hour! That’ll really move the needle.
These are not hourly retail employees.

From the Bloomberg article in the story link -

"While the number of positions being eliminated couldn’t be ascertained and is likely very small, the move represents a new step for the world’s most valuable company, whose peers have been slashing their ranks in the face of a shaky economy and sluggish consumer spending."
 
I find it quite sad that a company with $20B in cash, another $180B in investments and assets, which made a profit of $30B in the last quarter alone feels the need to lay off some of its lower earning employees.
Aside from the fact that these are corporate development jobs and unlikely to be among their “lower earning employees“, I am curious what criteria you would use to decide when to eliminate non-productive employees? As long as the company is profitable and has lots of cash in the bank should they just keep people working on products they no longer make? Should they maintain employees at stores they have permanently closed but who do not want to transfer to other stores?
I understand that all areas of a business should be individually profitable and that this is the nature of doing business, but there’s just something about it that feels morally wrong. Gotta keep that share price high and squeeze out a few more million in profit rather than keep relatively low-earning Josh from Ohio and hundreds of others in a job.
Again, why is it morally wrong to eliminate jobs that are non-productive? If a store has no longer needs 20 staff members, why should Apple keep them in what would be make-work (or no work) jobs?
 
I find it quite sad that a company with $20B in cash, another $180B in investments and assets, which made a profit of $30B in the last quarter alone feels the need to lay off some of its lower earning employees.

I understand that all areas of a business should be individually profitable and that this is the nature of doing business, but there’s just something about it that feels morally wrong. Gotta keep that share price high and squeeze out a few more million in profit rather than keep relatively low-earning Josh from Ohio and hundreds of others in a job.
This is corporate retail, i.e. people managing expansion and store planning at hq, not Apple Store employees.
 
Apple: Makes $30 billion in profit every quarter

Also Apple: Here let’s fire some people making $30 an hour! That’ll really move the needle.
So, they should just keep people forever that they don't need? It's a business, not a charity.
 
How exactly are these not layoffs?
nOt lAyOfFs

Ya ok….sure…..
O, be some other name! What's in a name?
Layoffs are a work stoppage that can be temporary or permanent with no option to remain with the company. This is an elimination of unnecessary positions with the option to apply to other positions within the company.
That which we call a rose job loss
By any other name would smell as sweet affect the worker just as much;
Apple told employees that these are not layoffs, but streamlining,
I take thee at thy word.🙄 Losing a job is losing a job, no matter how you look at it.
 
Even Apple has to think about spending. Google, FaceBook, Twitter, and others shouldn't have hired the numbers they did in the first place.
These tech companies basically ran a pandemic welfare program by providing hundreds of thousands of highly paid jobs that they didn't really need. I am going to guess that the benefits outweigh the layoffs.
 
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Where do these people normally go?

Working in retail sales, I sure they’ll find another mall type sales job, though the ones with the tons of piercings and crazy hair colors I often see might have a harder go of it, Starbucks?
 
Where do these people normally go?

Working in retail sales, I sure they’ll find another mall type sales job, though the ones with the tons of piercings and crazy hair colors I often see might have a harder go of it, Starbucks?
Good question! I would love to know where the 30 on-site massage therapists that Google laid off ended up?
 
what criteria you would use to decide when to eliminate non-productive employees?
I wouldn't ask these kinds of questions to anyone whose business experience is limited to a lemonade stand (if lucky) when they were in primary school. Employees will rarely understand the business perspective, where most business owners used to work for someone in the past and know the experience on both side of the fence.

It doesn't matter how much cash you have in the bank, your job as a business is to look out for the investors interests first, which unfortunately includes treating people like numbers in the balance sheets. I don't like it either, but especially after 2020 everyone has to make some tough decisions, no matter how much is there in the bank or what is the revenue.

If you don't like being on the wrong side of this equasion, be the change ;) Delaware incorporations are dirt cheap (even for US non-residents - I got myself two of these), taxes are simple, all done online - start your own company, hire a bunch of people and then see how long you can remain "morally right" without switching to instant noodle diet.
 
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Income cut off just in time for summer. Awesome!
Look at the bright side though - Tim Cook will be enjoying his summer.
And so will those people who opt to apply and then win another position.

You fail to see the advantages in working for Apple versus Twitter, Amazon, Meta, Dell, MS, etc…. Or maybe you are just ignore the scores of tech companies who treat their employees like disposable tissues.

I did. Did you?
Clearly I understood it better. Or maybe, like other posters, you are ignoring most of it for some reason? I’m pretty tired of all the anti Apple Agenda on this site.
 
It doesn't matter how much cash you have in the bank, your job as a business is to look out for the investors interests first, which unfortunately includes treating people like numbers in the balance sheets. I don't like it either, but especially after 2020 everyone has to make some tough decisions, no matter how much is there in the bank or what is the revenue.
I fail to see how this answers @Alan Wynn 's question. If anything, this whole "businesses have to act in the best interests of shareholders" increasingly seems like a copout answer for anyone who only wants to bash a company blind and not interested in talking about the nuances of running a business.

The points you raised are not mutually exclusive. A company can be insanely profitable, and there should still be a system for retrenching people so long as the reason is justified (eg: poor work performance) so that you can free up space for hiring newer, more productive employees. It's part of renewal. That the company earns enough to keep these people on their payroll indefinitely is irrelevant.

Given that the number of people laid off this way does not seem to have been specified, my guess is that this, once again, a nothingburger that is being blown out of proportion by the media for clicks and views. It seems more like standard changes in business priorities and alignment by Apple, rather than being driven by macro-economic challenges or a desire to boost share prices.
 
I fail to see how this answers @Alan Wynn 's question. If anything, this whole "businesses have to act in the best interests of shareholders" increasingly seems like a copout answer for anyone who only wants to bash a company blind and not interested in talking about the nuances of running a business.

The points you raised are not mutually exclusive. A company can be insanely profitable, and there should still be a system for retrenching people so long as the reason is justified (eg: poor work performance) so that you can free up space for hiring newer, more productive employees. It's part of renewal. That the company earns enough to keep these people on their payroll indefinitely is irrelevant.

Given that the number of people laid off this way does not seem to have been specified, my guess is that this, once again, a nothingburger that is being blown out of proportion by the media for clicks and views. It seems more like standard changes in business priorities and alignment by Apple, rather than being driven by macro-economic challenges or a desire to boost share prices.

Well that has shocked me.
 
I fail to see how this answers @Alan Wynn 's question. If anything, this whole "businesses have to act in the best interests of shareholders" increasingly seems like a copout answer for anyone who only wants to bash a company blind and not interested in talking about the nuances of running a business.

The points you raised are not mutually exclusive. A company can be insanely profitable, and there should still be a system for retrenching people so long as the reason is justified (eg: poor work performance) so that you can free up space for hiring newer, more productive employees. It's part of renewal. That the company earns enough to keep these people on their payroll indefinitely is irrelevant.

Given that the number of people laid off this way does not seem to have been specified, my guess is that this, once again, a nothingburger that is being blown out of proportion by the media for clicks and views. It seems more like standard changes in business priorities and alignment by Apple, rather than being driven by macro-economic challenges or a desire to boost share prices.
It would be a “nothing burger” if Tim didn’t take a pay cut. It would be a “nothing burger” if they weren’t I a hiring freeze. There is something brewing deeper here than just a “nothing burger”. They are downsizing at a slow rate likely for an anticipated down. Apple knows or thinks they know something you don’t. This is not an urgent reaction but a calculated one that will slowly evolve over time.

You people really need to stop brushing off this stuff because you like Apple and stop defending negative things. They are like any other company and they are just as devious. Think Objectively. Separate your emotions about the products from the business end.

As a former employee from the Jobs era….I can tell you….Apple is nothing like all you outsiders think it is. The company is the worst place I’ve ever worked and I have worked at some crap places. I would not go back even for Tim’s salary. It’s just a dystopian nightmare where everyone is out to get everyone else and make sure you are drinking the kool-aid. If you aren’t buying the corporate vibe of conformity and false positivity, you are in for a rough time.

My point is there is a huge contrast between the products and how they make you interpret the company vs what really happens. Your iPhone is filled with story’s of broken marriages, lost jobs, mental illness, terrible people and a whole host of other things. You need to let go of your perception and open your mind to the possibility that they are just a greedy corporation not out to make the world better….but to line their investors pockets with profits. Everything else is clever marketing. I used to be Apples biggest fan….until I saw first hand what goes on.
 
Those of us in Silicon Valley all share whats going on, they all got drunk on hiring because they saw all this online consumption while lockdowns were in-place. Now things are cratering off, sales are down, and executives think the building is on fire oh and don't forget the usual CEO speak of "I take full responsibility".
 
Those of us in Silicon Valley all share whats going on, they all got drunk on hiring because they saw all this online consumption while lockdowns were in-place. Now things are cratering off, sales are down, and executives think the building is on fire oh and don't forget the usual CEO speak of "I take full responsibility".
A CEO that takes full responsibility should take a pay/compensation cut equivalent to the salary of any layoffs planned so that the laid off workers can keep their job. For example, if a company was planning on laying off 200 employees, each with an average $200,000/yr salary, the alternative is the CEO (or other senior exec) should take a $40,000,000 pay cut. For Tim Cook, that's less than 50% and 200 employees get to keep their jobs. Another alternative is to spread that cut out across the executive leadership team. That's a $2.8 million cut from each executive, if split evenly.
 
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Looks like the "recession" is going to be arranged as a self fulfilling prophecy by all these companies. They really seem to want this.
 
A CEO that takes full responsibility should take a pay/compensation cut equivalent to the salary of any layoffs planned so that the laid off workers can keep their job. For example, if a company was planning on laying off 200 employees, each with an average $200,000/yr salary, the alternative is the CEO (or other senior exec) should take a $40,000,000 pay cut. For Tim Cook, that's less than 50% and 200 employees get to keep their jobs. Another alternative is to spread that cut out across the executive leadership team. That's a $2.8 million cut from each executive, if split evenly.

Cash salary is just symbolism. Jobs had the $1 salary but we all know the real money and bonuses is imbedded in stock options, RSUs, and the like which is the honey pot that keeps growing. Executives don't lose options. Also they are not losing money, so they don't really consider executive salary at the level until that happens, which is probably never with the way Apple runs. Not like the likes of Craig, Joz, or Eddie need to take a cut when their units are still printing money.
 
A CEO that takes full responsibility should take a pay/compensation cut equivalent to the salary of any layoffs planned so that the laid off workers can keep their job.
Among the least insightful posts I have seen in this thread. If any of these companies said they were laying off these people because they did not have the money to pay them, then one could begin to look at other cuts to find funds. However, none of these companies is cutting staff for that reason. All have said they are doing so either because they are over staffed in general or a changing directions and have staff in roles that are no longer needed. Why should productive employees take cuts to pay non-productive ones?
 
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You people really need to stop brushing off this stuff because you like Apple and stop defending negative things. They are like any other company and they are just as devious. Think Objectively. Separate your emotions about the products from the business end.

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On the flip side “you people” seem to have an axe to grind. The more subjective truth is somewhere in the middle.
 
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Gee tons of former employees say the same things….ya were lying. I’m sorry the truth shatters your cookie cutter world.
Your subjective view of your experience is your view. This may surprise you, but other Apple employees (current and former) have different views. In fact, enough feel that the compensation for the work they do exceeds the pain of doing it, and so they stay. This includes quite a few who are still there from NeXT (in its various forms). It also includes quite a few who have returned there after having worked at other places.
 
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