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Government won’t give tax benefit to a hair dresser but will give it to big businesses because big businesses then create jobs and income in the area, which means more tax, which a hair dresser can’t do.
Business 101.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/econom...s-tax-cuts-boost-hiring-most-companies-say-no

"Eighty-four percent of businesses said they didn’t accelerate hiring because of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which President Donald Trump hailed as “a bill for the middle class and a bill for jobs.” Only 6 percent said they had more hires because of the law and 10 percent said they accelerated investments, according to the survey....Instead companies put much of the money toward stock buybacks rather than investments. Buybacks hit a record $1 trillion in 2018, a nearly 50 percent increase from the year before."
 
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/econom...s-tax-cuts-boost-hiring-most-companies-say-no

"Eighty-four percent of businesses said they didn’t accelerate hiring because of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which President Donald Trump hailed as “a bill for the middle class and a bill for jobs.” Only 6 percent said they had more hires because of the law and 10 percent said they accelerated investments, according to the survey....Instead companies put much of the money toward stock buybacks rather than investments. Buybacks hit a record $1 trillion in 2018, a nearly 50 percent increase from the year before."
That's the not the issue. If company x negotiates for a tax break in return for the promise of creating 5,000 jobs in an area, should that company be given the tax break is the question. It's not about across the board tax breaks.
 
I support this. It is already quite difficult to produce hardware in the US. This kind of incentives can even trigger complete production chains in side/related components.

Edit: For people saying this is a form of "ransom" or will require others to make up for the "shortfall" that is quite not the case. This taxation doesn't even exist right now because such industry is not here. So whatever small tax is collected it is better than zero. Also this brings employment, depending on the jurisdiction you still get to tax individuals, store revenues are likely to increase, house market gets reactivated, many services will be benefited.

Honestly I do not see how this could be wrong, as long as you can keep schools and safety afloat in the community bringing industry/employment even under tax break is a GOOD thing.

Sadly, too many people don't get this. We can have zero jobs and taxes for chip manufacturing now, or we can collect some tax and create jobs. It's a no-brainer.
 
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Apple is seeking tax breaks from the U.S. government for domestic chip production, which suggests Apple may be aiming to move more iPhone manufacturing to the United States.

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According to Bloomberg, second and third-quarter lobbying disclosure reports indicate that Apple lobbied officials from the Treasury Department, Congress, and the White House on tax issues that included "tax credits for domestic semiconductor production."

Apple designs many of its own chips, including the A-series chips used in iPhones and iPads and the Apple Silicon chips that will be used in future Macs. Development of chips is done in-house in Cupertino, but production is outsourced to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC).

Apple's lobbying efforts indicate that it perhaps wants to move production to the U.S., where it would not have to deal with tariffs and trade tensions between the United States and China.

Apple veteran and director of federal government affairs Tim Powderly is leading Apple's lobbying efforts, according to Bloomberg. Apple's prior policy exec, Cynthia Hogan, left the company in May after being selected as one of the members of Joe Biden's vice presidential selection committee.

Most Apple products are made overseas, but the 2013 Mac Pro was manufactured in Austin, Texas. The same Texas plant is also responsible for the final assembly of the new Mac Pro models, and Apple decided to use the plant after being provided with tariff exemptions.

Apple chip partner TSMC in May announced plans to open an advanced chip factory in Arizona, and once that plant is open, it is expected to produce 5-nanometer chips. Apple's most recent A-series devices use A14 chips built on a 5-nanometer process.

Apple in 2018 committed to spending $350 billion to boost the U.S. economy over the course of five years, and has contributed funds to U.S. companies that make iPhone components, including Corning and Finisar.

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Article Link: Apple Lobbies for Tax Breaks for Manufacturing More Chips in United States

This article is stupid.
Has no real information.
But then that is Bloomberg Not So Tech News
 
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/econom...s-tax-cuts-boost-hiring-most-companies-say-no

"Eighty-four percent of businesses said they didn’t accelerate hiring because of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which President Donald Trump hailed as “a bill for the middle class and a bill for jobs.” Only 6 percent said they had more hires because of the law and 10 percent said they accelerated investments, according to the survey....Instead companies put much of the money toward stock buybacks rather than investments. Buybacks hit a record $1 trillion in 2018, a nearly 50 percent increase from the year before."

Let's also not forget the "2017 Tax Cut" was the "2017 Tax Increase" if you live in a state where you pay high property tax and or high state and local taxes. The 2017 program capped state and local tax deductions at $10k (SALT).
This means if you make about $100K and live in a decent house your federal taxes likely went up.
Also the CARE act eliminated the deduction for unreimbursed work expenses until 2025.
SO if you are working from home during COVID, you cannot claim any write offs that your employer does pay for.

Gotta love the GOP!!! NOT!!!!
 
So creating new jobs in the U.S., putting America first is a bad idea?

Sadly, the more products that are manufactured here will more products that are priced out of reach for a lot of Americans...Plus, more and more manufacturing is changing to automation and not people. I saw a piece on Western Digital hard drives being manufactured and there were no humans touching anything till the very end, putting boxes away.

There is a company in Detroit making jeans....100% made is USA, including the cotton, the weaving of the fabric, etc. Prices are win the $50-$60 per pair. Try and sell that to the people buying jeans in Walmart of $9.99.

Are you not going to pay a salary that people can live on?

We are too spoiled, having everything and low cost and our cost of living is so high that series need to be high. i think most of these manufactured in USA companies would go out of business...sadly. We as a "capitalist" country have moved past the point of being an "industrial" country again.
 
before anyone gets into the whole boycott china stuff, TSMC is taiwanese and if apple begin domestic production, this will hurt TSMC and not china 😂

this is not about hurting people, this is about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. And it'll probably be a joint venture with TSMC anyway.
 
All of these doesn't matter if Biden will undo Trump's tax cut and rollback all Obama era regulations!
 
Exactly what leftists don't understand, they are up in arms when big corporations get tax breaks, then wonder why everyone leaves to China

What right wing people do not understand is that tax breaks not being awarded are simply the convenient excuse that corporations use to leave for China and the real reason is lower wages and that fact that they are self centred.
 
The "free market" has gotten the US in the state its in, and empowered countries like China to where they are.

The "moron" was trying to put america first. you know, you people need the damn jobs. the free market was giving them to China.

Trump never put the US first, only himself. if he had eve put anyone first then the US would not be the worst in the world for Covid cases and there would not have been over 215,000 dead Americans from Covid.
He would also have put there work in rather than complain that 'Thanks to Covid I now have to go back to work'. Not that he ever did any work but that says it all, that he would rather hundreds of thousands of people die from Covid rather than he be forced to do some work.
I guess he would rather play golf and attend rallies where people all clap and cheer for him before then going home and dying huh!

So no, Trump has never and will never put America first!
 
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They are really not and it shows a gross misunderstanding on global economics.

So when the CCP subsidizes an industry that then dumps on the world market causing competitors in other nations to go bankrupt then putting tariffs up to counter it is not OK?

Tariffs are an extremely complex tool that can be a great asset if implemented correctly.


Fully support Apple in this, there's already a bunch of fabs from the likes of GloFo and Intel in the US. This sounds like TSMC is wanting to diversify its' supply chains into the US. As a TSMC stock holder I'm all for it. Apple will have a lot more clout when pushing this than TSMC would so it makes a lot of sense.

In your example tariffs would not help but rather hinder. The companies that get affected by the actions of the CCP subsidising industries should better plan and prepare rather than moan when challenges arise and their respective governments should react better rather then simply throw a fit and say it is unfair.

Mel Gibson was warning about China back when Mad Max came out! That is how far back the warnings were there and how dumb, selfish and incompetent the western governments have been and are.
So yes the CCP have a lot to answer for but stop excusing the west because they are to blame too.
 
Apple finally acting like an American company. Good. No reason in the world why a company as big and powerful as Apple needs to enrich countries that trample on human rights, engage in industrial espionage, militarily threaten countries friendly to the United States and are openly hostile to the free world generally.

I agree with the general sentiment of your post but I will point out that perhaps the US should first try acting like a democratic country and not like the facist dictatorship of Trumps wet dreams before lecturing countries such as China.
 
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Given the choice to pay more money or less money, most would choose less. That’s why Apple can afford to fund it themselves, because they make smart choices, like paying less instead of more.

Apple would still be rich and powerful had they not outsourced every job they could to China. They just would not have quite a much wealth but would still have more wealth than most countries do. Apple are just in my view, greedy and arrogant.
 
Tariffs are not evil — they are not preferable, but in this case they were necessary. The President did what those in his position previously did not have the guts to do.

Do you think that having the majority of manufacturing going to one country might cause problems down the road? What if that country decides not to be fair or play by the rules?

What if that country also requires a company to hand over IP for the privilege of doing business in their country? Why would this country need to innovate when they can easily steal the innovations of others?

Trump simply threw one of his usual temper tantrums and implemented the tariffs that were as effective as his Covid travel ban which is to say not effective at all with over 40,000 Chinese citizens coming to the US during the so called ban.
So err, I think we will all laugh at Trump !
 
Agree with your second point. As to the first, Apple still needs to compete in the global marketplace. They cannot do it by manufacturing in the United States without subsidies. We should try what we can to even the playing field somewhat to allow them to do so. I think down stream benefits of manufacturing are huge and would likely pay for the subsidies over the long term. I do not think one failure should discourage us.

Apple can compete more than well enough they just do not want to do so with their own money and demand that we all pay with subsidies that we pay for!
 
You know things are only cheap there and expensive here because they are using what we would consider slave labour conditions if they were to do that in the USA right? So by allowing them to do that you are basically promoting these conditions

Nonsense, that is as bad as saying that because I do not own an umbrella I am supporting floods occurring and people losing their homes and lives.
 
Yeah, it's a huge problem..

This is what you get by outsourcing to make it cheaper overall... You can't prevent prices fro going up, its a fact of life...You would think Apple would of used some of it offshore Israel-ian money though. That's what's its there for right?

Won't eve happen because Cook is downright allergic to spending money and down right greedy and selfish in my view!
 
They want tax breaks yet almost all the big dogs in the company will vote for Biden. 🤦‍♀️

Because with toddler Trump in charge there will no longer be a democracy and simply a dictatorship where Trump wil demand that companies like Apple make it worth his while otherwise they have all their money and assets seized by him only then for him to do it anyway.

You may like the sound of that but I am sure that those of us that live in the land of reality are appalled at that thought.
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And all the people who complain about their phone costing too much . . . Apple is a business trying to compete with Android. How do you make your phones in the US and do that without a tax incentive?

Easy, by sing THEIR OWN MONEY AND NOT MY MONEY, or do you not understand that tax breaks essentially come from the tax payer which means ME and everyone else!
 
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Government won’t give tax benefit to a hair dresser but will give it to big businesses because big businesses then create jobs and income in the area, which means more tax, which a hair dresser can’t do.
Business 101.

NO1 It is because the big business will bribe, err I mean donate funds to the politicians and therefore get favours in return, whereas the small business such as a hairdresser can not afford to do so.

Politics 101
 
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