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Can someone ANYONE please fire Timmy? Apple is in distant last place in AI, and each day falls further behind. Time is running out. The first one to AGI owns Earth. Duh.
 
Can someone ANYONE please fire Timmy? Apple is in distant last place in AI, and each day falls further behind. Time is running out. The first one to AGI owns Earth. Duh.
There’s a very big gap between using AI to create generic image slop or an annoyingly chatbot and any supposed AGI.

I don’t think either Apple cares much at all about their “AI” placing, or that AI has had any significant impact on most people’s lives.

If a when the latter becomes relevant, the former probably will too. But not before.
 
There must be something with either the culture or infrastructure at Apple to be so profitable, have so much cash on hand, and yet they continue to bleed talent. Not to mention their AI and virtual assistant being ever behind the competition.
Or they also might figure this AI money spending spree can’t last with no real path to a ROI. All these companies are spending billions. And I feel like it is going to backfire. If Apple gets its act together and delivers what it showed. I could come out ahead. Truly AI for the rest of us.
 
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I’m so confused. Today I read that Zuckerberg is cutting back on AI development spending and restructuring how it's run. There's talk of layoffs and even a bubble. Then I see Meta is still poaching AI engineers from Apple. So which is it, Zuck?
I read that too. Meta wants Apple’s advanced AI secrets … 😅
 
But they are NOT making a sustainable return on investment. The value of the companies behind these SaaS Silurian’s is based on speculation, the actual revenue doesn’t come close to validating it.

All company values are based on speculation. Do you really think that Tesla was ever worth more than Toyota and Volkswagen and Ford combined?

AI is still in an R&D phase. We're essentially beta testing and training the models. LLMs aren't going to make a magical leap to AGI, but they're good at task-based productivity improvements when people know how to use them. It's not a mature product.

If these models weren't available to the public, all of these companies moving toward AI development would otherwise be spending billions anyway with $0 of income and 0% ROI. AND they would have run out of training data. Every user that uses them is more data to train the models. Every time they're corrected by a user, it's more data to help improve error correction (the most expensive and energy intensive part of AI computing).

The LLMs will get better, they will get more efficient and they will eventually hit a wall because language is an inherently flawed way to process information and describe the world. But they will be combined with Open-World testing (real or virtual) which will allow them to learn about logic, physics and mathematics on their own. Since a lot of those processes are probability based, then that will finally be the real-world application that Quantum computing doesn't currently have - at which point, processing will become faster and cheaper.

LLMs aren't the destination. They're the human-interface overlay onto the next, deeper level of AI processing which is currently in development.

It's still a fair way off, but those two fields will eventually merge into one. It's why Google has Deep Mind testing open world simulations and they're investing heavily into Quantum computing development.
 
As others have stated over the past few months, it continues to amaze me that a company with such deep pockets and brand cachet can be faltering so badly in this area. They could have brought in the brightest minds and been near or at the top of the development of these tools.
100% agree if it were just about $$$. Apple could buy every lab if they wanted if it were just about $$$. I suspect there are lots of poison pill clauses in the strategic investments M$, Google and Amazon put into the likes of Antrhopic and OpenAI.
 
At this rate, it looks like Apple will be having an entirely new team for AI. Hopefully this will not slow down Apple's AI efforts. Waiting to see the improved Siri and Apple Intelligence next year.
 
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How have those investments paid off? Do you know any "normies" that have a Meta Quest? I have lots of geeky friends and not one has one.
Six of my friends have interests on VR/AR/MR things. Only one of them uses Vive as primary VR headset, others use Quest 2 or 3. Though I know they all bought Quest as second hand.
 
Apple is finance company first, product second company under Tim Cook. In 2023 their AI engineers wanted to buy $10B worth of GPUs to replace their 5 year old chips but were shut down and told to work with what they got and rely on Amazon and Google servers. That same year they did $70B in stock buy backs.

I believe Tim approved it but let someone else overrule him!
 
Apple’s problems aren’t with the competition. Apple has already proven in the past that they can be industry leaders. Apple’s problems stem from the inside, primarily with Tim Cook and the rest of its higher up staff.
 
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