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Actually they didn't. and did.
It all depends on whose poll you use.
There are plenty out all as valid as the next.
Don't lock in on just one.
The American people voted for Bush twice in a row, and let Obama extended the Patriot Act.
If the court sided with the FBI, what do you think people would do? Probably nothing other than the tech "bloggers" changing their tweeter and Facebook avatars. :D
 
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The American people voted for Bush twice in a row, and let Obama extended the Patriot Act.
If the court sided with the FBI, what do you think people would do? Probably nothing other than the tech "bloggers" changing their tweeter and Facebook avatars. :D

Thankfully it isn't public opinion deciding this.
Then again... ;)
 
I haven't ever seen the box for my phones until I've actually decided to pull the trigger and purchase the phone.
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would people really not want a phone because of the the packaging ?

No, but when you get your new phone home and unwrap it, the box is where you get your first impression of your new toy. If the packaging screams "attention to detail" then its going to start influencing your opinion of the product. Then when you come to choose your next purchase its going to influence where you start looking...

Probably Apple's biggest success has been in building brand loyalty and a reputation (deserved or not) for high quality. They also "get it" that people mostly don't need a new smartphone, tablet and laptop every year, but they do enjoy getting new stuff.

Maybe you are Mr Objectivity when it comes to shopping, but do you really not feel anything when you unwrap a shiny new toy for the first time? Perhaps you always received your birthday presents in brown paper bags?
 
Cook is tarnishing the brand and has turned Apple into a patent troll. He should be fired and replaced with the original founder Wozniak.
 
No, but when you get your new phone home and unwrap it, the box is where you get your first impression of your new toy. If the packaging screams "attention to detail" then its going to start influencing your opinion of the product. Then when you come to choose your next purchase its going to influence where you start looking...

Probably Apple's biggest success has been in building brand loyalty and a reputation (deserved or not) for high quality. They also "get it" that people mostly don't need a new smartphone, tablet and laptop every year, but they do enjoy getting new stuff.

Maybe you are Mr Objectivity when it comes to shopping, but do you really not feel anything when you unwrap a shiny new toy for the first time? Perhaps you always received your birthday presents in brown paper bags?


My last few boxes from Samsung were an ugly wood toned colour. Kind of like a paper bag. No, didn't make me not want to purchase again........
 
This decision wouldn't have had much impact on either company at this point anyway, but combine this with the recent FBI/DOJ attack on Apple and I'm very frustrated with the way the courts have treated Apple recently.
Well i was getting a little indifferent to the patent trolling by both companies tbh, and I've been a long time Apple customer, and not all that fond of sammy.
In context of the FBI case, I support Apple all the way and can see past the shroud of terror the FBI wish to cast to confuse and scare people into allowing unfettered access into every part of our digital lives. Very different issues with different judges and precedents set.
 
Samsung does nothing but rob other companies of their engineering and get away with it....

How do they do that?
Do they bribe the courts?
Does Samsung have their own reality distortion field?
Did they copy Apple's RDF?
Never mind.
 
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Cook is tarnishing the brand and has turned Apple into a patent troll. He should be fired and replaced with the original founder Wozniak.
It was Steve Jobs who declared the thermo-nuclear war on Android in 2010, not Cook. He claimes he was against it, but he continued the lawsuits even after he took over.
 
Personally I didn't even see the box it came with until I actually bought the device.

Klyster was agreeing that the box not only did NOT affect his purchase decision, because (as we keep pointing out) people generally do not see the box beforehand, but it also didn't make him less likely to buy one again.

No, but when you get your new phone home and unwrap it, the box is where you get your first impression of your new toy. If the packaging screams "attention to detail" then its going to start influencing your opinion of the product. Then when you come to choose your next purchase its going to influence where you start looking...

I've gotten tons of devices and I can't think of any packaging that was bad enough to make me think less of the device it contained, or good enough to make me like it better than it actually was :)

Yes, I was amused that my Moto 360 came in a round box. That was neat. But my other round smartwatches did not, and it didn't change my opinion of their quality or value in relation to the Moto. Only how they worked, did.

As for packaging in general, Apple does not own white boxes. Or photos. Or especially the idea of how they boxed the iPhone, since they didn't start using that style until after LG did it with their Prada:

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It was Steve Jobs who declared the thermo-nuclear war on Android in 2010, not Cook. He claimes he was against it, but he continued the lawsuits even after he took over.

On the contrary...
  • After Jobs' death, Apple made a cross licensing deal with HTC in 2012.
  • Cook agreed with Google's Motorola to drop all their lawsuits in May 2014.
  • In August 2014, Cook also agreed with Samsung to drop all pending lawsuits outside of the U.S.
  • Apple settled out of court with Nokia and Ericsson.
That basically left just the appeals on the original Samsung trial, and this later smaller one. So, yes, Cook did pretty much get rid of the wasteful Jobs' UI/design lawsuit wars which not only had little or no effect on the competition, but even turned some people against Apple.

Instead, Cook fell back on his own expertise, which is battling via direct product competition. That's why he okayed the iPad mini, why he had Apple come out with larger display phones, why we now see an active pen, and why the UI copied so much from others.

THAT kind of action (desirable features instead of lawsuits) is what has really had an effect on the competition.
 
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Klyster was saying that the box not only did NOT affect his purchase decision, because (as we keep pointing out) people generally do not see the box beforehand, but it also didn't make him less likely to buy one again.

Yes. I missed the negating statement - my bad. I've removed my post. Thanks for correcting me
 
I've gotten tons of devices and I can't think of any packaging that was bad enough to make me think less of the device it contained, or good enough to make me like it better than it actually was

Good for you. Neither have I (but I have noted that Apple generally packages their stuff nicely).
Maybe other people are less objective about their purchases?

As for packaging in general, Apple does not own white boxes. Or photos. Or especially the idea of how they boxed the iPhone, since they didn't start using that style until after LG did it with their Prada:

Let me get this straight: you're saying (rightly) that Apple doesn't own white boxes or photos... and then call them out for nicking Prada's idea of putting the product under the lid....?

...that Prada box has more in common with the iPod box (OK it wasn't a book, but when you open it the phone is presented in the centre of a large square) than the later iPhone/iPad packaging (where the product filled the box edge-to-edge).

Of course, Prada are another outfit who know that selling the sizzle can be as important as selling the sausage...

Actually, one product that really did strike me as over-packaged was a heatsink (Noctua, I think) that came exquisitely presented like a pair of thousand dollar shoes (or, at least, as I imagine a pair of thousand-dollar shoes would be packaged). If I ever have a Significant Other who wants a low-profile CPU cooler for their birthday, then I know where to turn. My HTPC hasn't melted yet so (since the only other benchmark I have is the packaging) it must be really good quality. I jest, but don't bet against others following that logic (DIY PC components seem to have become nerd jewellery for gamers these days).
 
Good for you. Neither have I (but I have noted that Apple generally packages their stuff nicely). Maybe other people are less objective about their purchases?

If someone was choosing between two almost-the-same devices for the same price, perhaps the packaging might tip the scales. (I love your story about the heat sink!)

But, otherwise, probably not. E.g. did people choose an Apple Watch over an Apple Watch Sport because it was packaged better? No, they chose the stainless steel / sapphire one because of the case materials. The better packaging is simply a nice extra after the fact.

Let me get this straight: you're saying (rightly) that Apple doesn't own white boxes or photos... and then call them out for nicking Prada's idea of putting the product under the lid....?

Sorry, was the irony too subtle? The point is, every company sometimes follows trends or neat ideas, not just Samsung.
 
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Klyster was agreeing that the box not only did NOT affect his purchase decision, because (as we keep pointing out) people generally do not see the box beforehand, but it also didn't make him less likely to buy one again.



I've gotten tons of devices and I can't think of any packaging that was bad enough to make me think less of the device it contained, or good enough to make me like it better than it actually was :)

Yes, I was amused that my Moto 360 came in a round box. That was neat. But my other round smartwatches did not, and it didn't change my opinion of their quality or value in relation to the Moto. Only how they worked, did.

As for packaging in general, Apple does not own white boxes. Or photos. Or especially the idea of how they boxed the iPhone, since they didn't start using that style until after LG did it with their Prada:

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On the contrary...
  • After Jobs' death, Apple made a cross licensing deal with HTC in 2012.
  • Cook agreed with Google's Motorola to drop all their lawsuits in May 2014.
  • In August 2014, Cook also agreed with Samsung to drop all pending lawsuits outside of the U.S.
  • Apple settled out of court with Nokia and Ericsson.
That basically left just the appeals on the original Samsung trial, and this later smaller one. So, yes, Cook did pretty much get rid of the wasteful Jobs' UI/design lawsuit wars which not only had little or no effect on the competition, but even turned some people against Apple.

Instead, Cook fell back on his own expertise, which is battling via direct product competition. That's why he okayed the iPad mini, why he had Apple come out with larger display phones, why we now see an active pen, and why the UI copied so much from others.

THAT kind of action (desirable features instead of lawsuits) is what has really had an effect on the competition.

well, consider this then:

* Tim Cook became CEO of Apple in 2011.
* HTC countersued with their 4G patents -- only after having failed to invalidate them and after it became apparent that Apple would face an imminent ITC import ban. Apple settled with HTC in 2012.
* Apple lost pretty much all claims outside the US. In the UK, for instance, Apple was ordered to apologize publicly for their misleading campaign against Samsung. In Germany, Apple lost on every single claims. Their agreement to drop further lawsuits in 2014 came only after all legal options were already exhausted. Apple & Samsung's agreement to drop all non-US lawsuits came 3 years after he became CEO.
* The lawsuits against Nokia and Ericsson were over wireless patent renewal. In Ericsson's case, Apple SUED Ericsson first last year -- after two years in negotiation.

Tim Cook's decision to continue lawsuits everywhere until they were defeated or would face a defeat was needlessly to say waste of time and money for everyone. It certainly doesn't support Tim Cook's hypocrisy that he's against lawsuits. Further, the fact that he's held on to the Samsung lawsuits 5 years after he became CEO shows that he clearly doesn't believe in what he says.
 
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E.g. did people choose an Apple Watch over an Apple Watch Sport because it was packaged better? No, they chose the stainless steel / sapphire one because of the case materials.

The question is, why were they looking at Apple stuff in the first place?
If you're right, and all buying decisions are based on the rational comparison of features, then many industries are wasting a shedload of money on "brand awareness and loyalty".
 
The question is, why were they looking at Apple stuff in the first place?
If you're right, and all buying decisions are based on the rational comparison of features, then many industries are wasting a shedload of money on "brand awareness and loyalty".

Why can't Samsung look at their stuff? Apple looks to competitors' product for inspiration all the time. Wozniak was looking at MITS Altair when he first created the first Apple I. It's also no surprise that neither the LISA and Mac's were NOT organically developed all within Apple. (hint: Xerox)

You could say Samsung "copied" or "stole" Apple's idea all you want -- Samsung is no more legally liable for taking queues from Apple's packaging design than Apple is legally liable for the original MITS or Xerox's ideas.
 
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The question is, why were they looking at Apple stuff in the first place?
If you're right, and all buying decisions are based on the rational comparison of features, then many industries are wasting a shedload of money on "brand awareness and loyalty".

You're of course correct. Branding does matter.

However, I wasn't saying anything that broad. I was originally speaking toward the ridiculous claim that some people (not you) keep bringing up that similar phone packaging (which nobody would see before buying) would somehow magically (and invisibly!) woo people to get the phone from the similar box instead of an iPhone.

Ditto for the just as ridiculous claims about chargers (which in person are not even that similar).

People who want to knock Samsung for copying would be better off sticking to things like case shapes and one or two icons or UI images. (Even some of the stuff that is often brought up, predates Apple, such as the phone icon, and the microphone in the recorder app.)

Cheers!
 
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