What really needs to happen is full side-loading and total freedom to pay in any way and by any means - that means having all apple devices that have NFC be able to use third party payment systems.
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Apple Makes Further Adjustments to Dating App Rules to Satisfy Dutch Regulatory Requirements
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...and you'll see, why 2024 will be ...like 1984.
You have touched on an interesting point. Disregarding this specific example, in general heavy regulation can sometimes entrench existing players. Smaller entrants to the market do not have the resources to comply with overly complicated or burdensome laws. This is a possibility with some of the new privacy leanings and Facebook, Google, Amazon and Apple.
No, because they’ve got a specific outcome they’re looking for and this isn’t it. Unfortunately for them, they don’t have the authority to ask for the specific outcome they want as that’s outside their jurisdiction. All they can do is continue to say “This isn’t good enough”.
But. . . . "Developers who use alternative payment methods in the Netherlands must still pay Apple's commission, but the fee is reduced by three percent."Why can't Apple let users decide for themselves what's in their best interest?
Oh, that's right. No cut from app revenue.
That's why Tim Apple claims he's for strong privacy and protecting users while taking billions from Google. Do as Tim Apple says, not as he does.
If this is the norm for alt-payment why bother? And if alt-store apps still need to pay an Apple commission, why bother?
And folks that don’t like the money that Apple makes now (and influence they have) when Apple’s actively trying to NOT be number one in the EU may find themselves unpleasantly surprised if Apple ends up with a massively expanded presence. With little opportunity to be challenged by any other EU companies.
Apple really should've been proactive about sideloading to gain a step on the regulators instead of dragging their feet and biding their time. Now the regulators are going to legislate much, much harsher requirements, on their own terms, and it wont be pretty for Apple.
Tim Cook's stubbornness is astounding.
Tim Cook's stubbornness is astounding.
It won’t be pretty, they may end up forced to leave the EU, but Apple will survive. Apple users in the EU will survive, it’ll be fine.
The EU is 30 percent of their market. They're not going anywhere.
Well, those "bureaucrats" write the laws of the countries that Apple operates in. In this case, we're referring to EU regulators that oversee legislation in a market that accounts for 30% of Apple's annual turnover. No Apple shareholder will accept them abandoning a market that accounts for a third of their revenue. Their stock price would implode.
If the EU says, “Apple can no longer operate in the EU”, you’d better believe they’re not going to go against the EU laws and operate anyway. 100% minus 30% is… 70%. They’ll be fine.
If Apple did that I suspect the next regulation would be forced unbundling of app signing required to run full-featured software on iOS from the rest of the developer tools, promptly followed by rules about “reasonable” pricing for that.
IDK if that’s accurate, but if it is it would probably be more about protecting the industry from American rules about transaction processing.
I find it ironic. These same groups of politicians and regulators are the ones that allowed each of these “gatekeeper” companies to become what they are.
Facebook never should have been allowed to buy out WhatsApp or Instagram. Google, Apple, Microsoft should not have been able to buy up all the tech startups they have bought out over the years. Instead the government and regulatory groups continued to allow such mergers and buy outs until there are only a few big fish in a small pond (hello Mother Earth and your billions upon billions of carbon based life forms with some sort of tech). I personally hope (excluding Facepuke and Epic Failure) companies take the crap these jelly politicians give them and shove it right back up their over pompous backsides.
There is so much more these groups could be doing that would have a real positive effect on the human race in 5 to 10 years, then how you can pay for your dating app.
Facebook never should have been allowed to buy out WhatsApp or Instagram. Google, Apple, Microsoft should not have been able to buy up all the tech startups they have bought out over the years. Instead the government and regulatory groups continued to allow such mergers and buy outs until there are only a few big fish in a small pond (hello Mother Earth and your billions upon billions of carbon based life forms with some sort of tech). I personally hope (excluding Facepuke and Epic Failure) companies take the crap these jelly politicians give them and shove it right back up their over pompous backsides.
There is so much more these groups could be doing that would have a real positive effect on the human race in 5 to 10 years, then how you can pay for your dating app.
Apple is forced to make these changes. Apple will definitely want developers and users to continue to use in app purchase method.
And Apple still wants its 15% / 30% (less 3%) cut for literally doing nothing. When will I be able to distribute apps outside the App Store?
Once any regulation passes that forces Apple to allow that.
Apple wants a cut of any transaction originating from apps installed from the Apple App Store.
Some “dating” apps there are basically prostitution contact apps. It’s affecting someone’s margin somewhere who is profiting from this.
As for more tradition dating apps, and I’m singling out Tinder and Bumble here, their entire market is attention and upselling and keeping user throughout high and opting people into difficult to leave contracts or discounting very long contracts in hope that they forgot to cancel the renewal.
Apple threatened both models by putting the customer in control and the business and political connections pushed back. That’s the real story here.
I don’t buy the whole superior ethical argument for European countries versus America. This is a straightforward fabrication if you’ve ever worked in the political technology arena in Europe (I have). In some cases it’s a lot less transparent than US lobbying. Neither are ok I will add.
He’s talking about the fact USA have legalized bribery. Contribute to election campaigns etc. instead of the state providing a fixed budget to use or party membership fees etc etc.
Here you don’t need a million dollars to run a political campaign
Indeed... and looking at the current parties running the government, its 100% sure.
Maybe because a certain bunch of clientele makes us of these services and do not want a money trail in systems that isn't under their control?
It’s not even close. Prostitution is a legal profession in the Netherlands. And prostitution isn’t legal in USA or allowed by the TOS in the AppStore.
Paying for prostitution( if allowed by the TOS) would already be covered as a physical goods provided and would let the developers keep 100% of the revenue just like Amazon store etc.
And the reason dating apps are singled out is because they are the ones who filed the complaints of anti competitive actions. Match Group Inc( an American company) filed the suit for anti competitive practices, and that’s why the Dutch ACM is concentrated on dating apps.
So why and how much is this financial information worth to the American Match Group? eg the Tinder financial subscription information such as bank account, creditcard, phone number, address information of users now to be shared with Match Group instead of Apple. What does Apple mean that now users will have a less experience, can they make this concrete with examples. And will this affect only the Dutch App Store, or EU App Store since within EU are different privacy laws applicable than for the rest of the World.