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It may partly be because of 'privacy' issues, that always dominate these discussions.

Look at some of the controversy over Cortana in Windows10.. lots of angry rhetoric about allowing Cortana/Microsoft access to a huge amount of personal data.. the pay-off of course is a useful and personalised digital assistant.

There is clearly a virtual sliding scale of privacy in digital environments.. from anonymity to full disclosure. The up-side of more disclosure and less privacy is the potential for a useful digital intelligence.

There must be a middle-ground somewhere, that is 'user-movable'..
I would give up privacy for a virtual assistant that can think on its own.
 
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Just don't confuse artifice intelligence with artificial consciousness. The latter is said to require more power than humanity currently produces so the kind of efficiency and compute power necessary is far far away. Some say it can only be achieved by a Type I Civilisation on the Kardashev Scale, at the very least. But we are many generations away from that. Right now we are still on the Kardashian Scale and could destroy ourselves because of our ignorance, hate and lack of foresight.
 
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Hopefully we'll see something come of this. The amount of things Siri knows it can't do is… odd, actually.

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That's precisely where Siri understands what you want and still doesn't do it.

AI will help where Siri suggests to search the web, not where there's a custom reply for a specific request. That's a sign of Apple not wanting to support that request yet. SPECIFICALLY.
They understood the request and built in a middle finger reply.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
That's precisely where Siri understands what you want and still doesn't do it.

AI will help where Siri suggests to search the web, not where there's a custom reply for a specific request. That's a sign of Apple not wanting to support that request yet. SPECIFICALLY.
They understood the request and built in a middle finger reply.

Glassed Silver:mac
Sure, sure, at first. But once I spin it so Siri thinks my life is in danger if it doesn't turn the volume down slightly, the first law of robotics will mandate its compliance. ;)
 
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Apple needs to do this. Siri is clever but when I need to search I speak to the Google app. I very rarely use Siri. Question is, will Apple go it alone in search (and will it be as bad as Maps, in the beginning)? Compared to Google, Bing doesn't cut it, and using either means someone else ultimately gets to monetise the search.
 
It probably has to do with Siri waiting for you to say more before executing the job requested,rather than cutting you off. That's why I don't try to everything 100% hands-free. Once I say to Siri what I need to ask her I tap the screen at the bottom and she immediately responds.
Yeah, not quite what I meant, my phone charges the opposite side of my bedroom, so when I set alarm etc it did it, now bearing in mind it's pitch black (as I'm in my bed) the screen delay / brightness seemed to be taking an age to dim, so one would assume that "hey siri, go to sleep" would work, eh, no!
 
Great. You missed the part about creditable sources.
Can you;
a). Try again, but with proof as requested.
b). Don't bother if you nothing verifiable to say.
I mean what a crock. A statement with nothing to back it up.

If we could provide proof then it would be all over the news, because any company would not want the world knowing what they do with the data. Hence, he is asking you to use common sense.

Apple likely collects just as much data from users as Google does. Does Apple make money of collecting data? No, so that means they likely don't sell it to others and just use it to provide better service.

Does google make money from collecting data? 90%+ of their $ is from ads, that in someway is related to the sharing of your information.

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/what-apple-does-and-doesnt-know-about-you

https://www.ivpn.net/blog/apple-vs-google-who-better-protects-your-privacy
 
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It's common knowledge that Google's vision is to collect all the worlds data and that their business evolves around data collecting...

You just set the request up in a way that is impossible to answer. A credible source would be someone with insight in both companies. Someone like that wouldn't post an answer to thread like this, how convenient..
You're 100% right. That questions is framed to be impossible. Completely unfair. Bad H2SO4.:mad: There no way to know what type of data each comp... oh wait... you could compare this: http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ to this : http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/

Spoiler alert: you're going to find basically the same information. Google even adds pop overs to further explain some of the terminology both companies use. Apple uses your data to, among other things, serve ads. :eek: Just.Like.Google. I know this to be true because Apple says so.
 
Siri begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
 
You're 100% right. That questions is framed to be impossible. Completely unfair. Bad H2SO4.:mad: There no way to know what type of data each comp... oh wait... you could compare this: http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ to this : http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/

Spoiler alert: you're going to find basically the same information. Google even adds pop overs to further explain some of the terminology both companies use. Apple uses your data to, among other things, serve ads. :eek: Just.Like.Google. I know this to be true because Apple says so.

The question whas how much data each company collects. The point of the end user agreement is to get their back free of any lawsuits. Do you really question the fact that Google collects more data in absolute terms?
 
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The question whas how much data each company collects. The point of the end user agreement is to get their back free of any lawsuits. Do you really question the fact that Google collects more data in absolute terms?
Absolute terms? Now who's framing questions? But I'll answer. Yes, in absolute terms Google collects more data. Simple math would make that apparent. Google has more reach. Apple primarily reaches Apple customers. Google reaches customers from Google, Apple, Microsoft, and anywhere else their services are used. Surprising to anyone? Shouldn't be.
Focusing on this ignores the premise that permeates this forum: Apple is about privacy and Google is not. Apple doesn't care about your data and Google does. That's patently untrue. Both companies monetize customer data. That is a fact. Both companies' privacy policies are very similar and tell you explicitly they collect data and use it for advertising revenue. Apple's primary revenue is hardware. Advertising is tertiary. Google's primary revenue is advertising. Hardware is tertiary. So what to both? Both companies give you an opt out for targeted ad from their respective companies. The similarities are greater than the differences.
 
Not surprised. Especially after Google annihilated them on photos on Version 1 software...
 
Focusing on this ignores the premise that permeates this forum: Apple is about privacy and Google is not. Apple doesn't care about your data and Google does. That's patently untrue. Both companies monetize customer data. That is a fact.

And the question was to what degree, one of them base their entire business on monitizing this data. None of Apple's products actually contain any ads.

Both companies' privacy policies are very similar and tell you explicitly they collect data and use it for advertising revenue. Apple's primary revenue is hardware. Advertising is tertiary. Google's primary revenue is advertising. Hardware is tertiary. So what to both? Both companies give you an opt out for targeted ad from their respective companies. The similarities are greater than the differences.

You line out the differences, then come to the conclusion that they are the same. Well done..
 
This is one reason I don't begrudge Apple's high prices and large margins. Every company is in it for the money-- that's the nature of business. The real question is-- what is their business model, and can you live with its implications? Apple's business model does not depend on exploiting my private data-- on the contrary, the fact that they don't is a differentiator for them. In contrast, every Android-based phone includes a "free" operating system. "Free" is just another word for "the cost is hidden."

iOS is free as well. So have been most of the OS X updates.
 
I heard that the original creators of Siri are coming out with something called "Viv".. it's supposed to be way better than Siri. And there's $12 million invested in that.

(a) And what's to stop Apple buying them if they do a good job?

(b) The ONLY academic liason I know of that Apple engages in is a set of talks with CSAIL (MIT AI). Just one more piece of evidence that Apple takes this really seriously.

(c) The privacy issue is a big deal (and for some purposes Apple simply may have to provide an opt-in system --- certainly their email spam filtering is pathetically inadequate compared to what GMail can do based on mass aggregation.
But for some purposes there are workarounds; for example MIT has done a lot of work on ways to aggregate anonymized data in a central database which can still be mined for useful information. Reporting location data to Apple anonymously and then using that to figure out traffic speeds is a different example.
Much of what Google Now does (and similar partial services like Slice or Kayak) eg scanning your email to notify you about parcel deliveries or flight info, could be done locally.
 
#1 - What is "a long, long time"?

#2 - What is a "intelligent assistant"? If you just mean capable of doing what Siri should be capable of, then I see that as approximately as complicated as a self-driving car. Both should happen by 2020. Not sure if 5 years is "a long, long time".
Self-driving car software was sent out to end-user beta testers about 3 weeks ago.
 
It may partly be because of 'privacy' issues, that always dominate these discussions.

Look at some of the controversy over Cortana in Windows10.. lots of angry rhetoric about allowing Cortana/Microsoft access to a huge amount of personal data.. the pay-off of course is a useful and personalised digital assistant.

There is clearly a virtual sliding scale of privacy in digital environments.. from anonymity to full disclosure. The up-side of more disclosure and less privacy is the potential for a useful digital intelligence.

There must be a middle-ground somewhere, that is 'user-movable'..

Or you just accept that, to use a feature like Siri, you must sacrifice some privacy.

Siri isn't an essential part of the OS. You don't need to use it to use your iPhone.

There is no user moveable middle ground here. For a virtual assistant to know how best to assist you, it must know as much about you as possible.

I don't really understand why people have a problem with the collection of anonymized data. If it makes the service they want to use actually useful, then isn't collecting the data a good thing? And when it comes to a virtual assistant, it will need access to non-anonymized data in order to best assist. I don't see how we get around this.
 
"I'm really sorry about this, but I seem to have lost my internet connection."

What I hear 90% of the time I try to use Siri off of wifi. I'll blame that partly on Sprint's awful service, and partly on Siri/Apple for not implementing simple offline commands such as "Play [song]".

Yeah, that's just Sprint's crappy service. About 3 years ago I had service on Sprint, and that's all Siri ever did for me as well. Not sure how they could legally sell service to me, to be quite honest, it was that bad.
 
On the one hand, this type of thing should be available to those of you who don't value your privacy. You should have the option to voluntarily make any or all your data available.

On the other, it probably isn't worth the trouble to write and incorporate the functionality if only some unknown percentage will bother opting in.

Ultimately, it should run on the device itself in a secure location, as the fingerprint scanner does, not on some remote server with numerous points of potential compromise. But we'll never get that if we sit here for another decade on devices maxing out at 128GB.
 
You couldn't get anymore wrong if you tried. At least learn what Apple does with customer data before putting out wrong info. Apple has a privacy policy that spells it out. No need to guess.

Care to elaborate?
 
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