Apple Making Big Push to Attract Chinese App Developers

[henryngan2006]

Chinese will never develop for Apple, too difficult to make spyware, hackware, and steal personal data with all the App Store restrictions.

I already avoid all food from China, now Apple users have to watch out for other toxic atrocities coming from there in the form of software on our phones. China is a shining example of everything wrong with mankind.


Thanks Apple.

Yea it's really bad. American doesn't make any spyware and NSA protects our privacy so much LOLZ

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If you've ever been to China hong Kong and or taiwan you would know nearly 10/10 people never buy legitimate software even when the storefront has legit software showcased. Apple should understand the mentality of Chinese people the "P" in PROC doesn't stand for people it stands for piracy!

I call ********. China yes Hong Kong Taiwan no. Cultures between Hong Kong, Taiwan and China are very very very different. I'm from Hong Kong and most of my friends don't download pirated apps (well we did a few years ago because we didn't have credit cards but not anymore) and all my relatives purchase apps.

Maybe you should know more about cultures between these three regions before bashing them.

 

[iMacBooked]

Yes, and they get 30 percent of sales on top of that...with the piracy that is so rampant in that market, every legitimate revenue stream made is a boost.

True that.

 

[hansonjohn590]

This is why apple developers struggle, because there is no incentive to try hard and produce good software when the mindset is to "pay nothing" and "IP is BS"

Sounds like the mindset of lazy and unmotivated developers who shouldn't be developing in the first place.

 

[lotzosushi]

Chinese are all about copying each other, so they have plenty of Chinese App Developers...

Copy everything in the current app store into Chinese and call it original!

The same could be said about a certain Korean tech giant we all know and love....

They're probably rushing to create a new coding language right now. Introducing sSwifter!! Compatible with only Galaxy devices.

/s

I call ********. China yes Hong Kong Taiwan no. Cultures between Hong Kong, Taiwan and China are very very very different. I'm from Hong Kong and most of my friends don't download pirated apps (well we did a few years ago because we didn't have credit cards but not anymore) and all my relatives purchase apps.

I agree, I go to HK and China all the time. Two very different lifestyles and values. There is almost little to no piracy in HK anymore due to government crackdown and most people being able to afford everything anyway. You'd have to try very hard and go out of your way to find physical pirated content.

 

[Spetsnazos]

Sounds like the mindset of lazy and unmotivated developers who shouldn't be developing in the first place.

sounds like you arent listening to basic logic.

Why bother developing in China when your peers are going to copy your software, rebrand it under another name and make all the money?

Please state any IP laws that have been reinforced recently in China.

I'll be waiting.

 

[hkenneth]

Chinese will never develop for Apple, too difficult to make spyware, hackware, and steal personal data with all the App Store restrictions.

I already avoid all food from China, now Apple users have to watch out for other toxic atrocities coming from there in the form of software on our phones. China is a shining example of everything wrong with mankind.


Thanks Apple.

WOW, so many China haters here. <sarcasm> You guys are amazing! </sarcasm>

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Yea it's really bad. American doesn't make any spyware and NSA protects our privacy so much LOLZ

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I call ********. China yes Hong Kong Taiwan no. Cultures between Hong Kong, Taiwan and China are very very very different. I'm from Hong Kong and most of my friends don't download pirated apps (well we did a few years ago because we didn't have credit cards but not anymore) and all my relatives purchase apps.

Maybe you should know more about cultures between these three regions before bashing them.

I am from mainland. I don't jailbreak my iPhone. I have more than $200 purchase in my iPhone library (not in-app purchase btw). And I have 71 games in my Steam library. Yes, we were pirating a few year ago (just like YOU) but what makes you think we are still doing that?

 

[Mactendo]

The Chinese don't generally pay for software. Theres a huge library of apps that require jail breaking to use. It'll be interesting to see if Apple can shift the mindset to paying for apps. Amazon is doing something similar with the Kindle mind paying for ebooks.

There're known online "stores" in China who resell or let you download for free thousands and thousands of iOS apps and no one seems to care... Apple is interested in selling as many iPhones there as possible, so if piracy will help to reach this goal then they won't care.

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I'm from Hong Kong and most of my friends don't download pirated apps (well we did a few years ago because we didn't have credit cards but not anymore) and all my relatives purchase apps.

Why didn't you get a credit card back then?

 

[Spetsnazos]

There're known online "stores" in China who resell or let you download for free thousands and thousands of iOS apps and no one seems to care... Apple is interested in selling as many iPhones there as possible, so if piracy will help to reach this goal then they won't care.

Exactly the reason why Chinese developers are going to be unsuccessful, its a massive waste of time. Why would I bother spending a lot of time if I'm going to get NOTHING in return. The only apps they're going to produce are going to be of poor quality.

I kept saying this over and over and people think that developing a quality app is 4 hours worth of work...

I'd like to hear from another dev who has put together quality apps before that can explain to me how Chinese devs can prosper...not just iOS, ANY software that isn't pushed by the Chinese govt.

 

[AxoNeuron]

I'm excited to see what new, innovative cloned apps the Chinese developers will rip off!

 

[AxoNeuron]

WOW, so many China haters here. <sarcasm> You guys are amazing! </sarcasm>

I am from mainland. I don't jailbreak my iPhone. I have more than $200 purchase in my iPhone library (not in-app purchase btw). And I have 71 games in my Steam library. Yes, we were pirating a few year ago (just like YOU) but what makes you think we are still doing that?

What people have been saying in this thread are not accusations made out of thin air. They are facts.

While not EVERY Chinese smartphone owner pirates software, it is known that 77-85% of all software on Chinese devices/computers is pirated (stolen), while in the United States that figure plummets to 19-25%. It's not just because the average Chinese consumer is so much poorer either, even when the software price is cut by a fifth in China of it's respective US pricetag, it is MUCH more likely to be pirated in China than in most countries around the world.

But even worse than software piracy in China is Chinese companies habit of cloning products. How many horrible iPhone clones have you seen? I've never seen one that DIDN'T come from China. Companies like Xaomi rip off Apple and other tech companies as if they had no ability to dream up a product themselves.

Honestly, I think the whole mindset in China is different because of historical forces. China has never looked at individualism as a virtue. While people in the West tended to have far lower population densities and power was much less decentralized in the west, China has always had much higher population density, and political authority has usually been much more centralized in China. The Chinese government today, and the Chinese dynasties of the past, valued lock-step conformity much more than individual creativity (which they feared led to treason).

I'm not at all saying that Chinese people are not creative or individualistic, but the West favors those traits much more than China does. While manual labor industries such as computer manufacturing may have moved to China due to large numbers of people willing to work for low wages, software development tends to prosper in countries where individualism and creativity are inspired and nurtured by (relatively) democratic governments, and not crushed by authoritarian regimes intent on maintaining power.

PS - I should make a distinction between the PRC (People's Republic of China) and Taiwan, which is much more westernized than their beloved mainland friends, as well as HK. Taiwan has been extraordinarily successful at fostering a big tech boom.

The same could be said about a certain Korean tech giant we all know and love....

They're probably rushing to create a new coding language right now. Introducing sSwifter!! Compatible with only Galaxy devices.

/s

LOL!

 

[hansonjohn590]

sounds like you arent listening to basic logic.

Why bother developing in China when your peers are going to copy your software, rebrand it under another name and make all the money?

Please state any IP laws that have been reinforced recently in China.

I'll be waiting.

Why don't you ask the same question of any software developers (or IP holders) right now?

Yeah, thats what I thought.

 

[macs4nw]

The Chinese don't generally pay for software. Theres a huge library of apps that require jail breaking to use. It'll be interesting to see if Apple can shift the mindset to paying for apps. Amazon is doing something similar with the Kindle mind paying for ebooks.

Also, I can't help but wonder how those App Store Guidelines are going to go over with Chinese developers, and how strictly Apple is going to enforce those guidelines, as well as deal with a possible myriad of copyright infringements?

 

[iZac]

So does US mapping; two-year-outdated POIs.

That sucks too! Trying to trump our Maps frustrations though, if your device's location is identified as in China, it disables all the tom tom vector maps AND the 3D city flyovers. I only got to actually experience it for the first time a week ago when I flew back to the UK briefly

If I recall, the China based 'satellite view' doesn't even show anything outside of the country. It's a joke.

 

[s2mikey]

As long as it gives Apple more Chinese consumers, why not.

Well, yeah but it will also open the floodgates of more CHEAP Chinese slave labor though which of course makes shareholders whack their meat. This will get spun into something positive but it wil only be positive for a small handful of people.

Whatever.

 

[farkingdom]

If y'all want to label China, please don't label the entire Chinese race as bunch of pirates and copycats. As far as I'm concerned, NOT ALL Chinese pirate apps and stuff. Your stereotyping is just so wrong and it's like calling the entire American population as obese lazy bumps.

Honestly, without China, where will you get your iPhone, iPad etc from? From the states?
Apple focus on China for a reason, they are a rising economical power, like it or not. Apple knew it themselves, or why else would they focus on China? Xiaomi phone ain't crap, have you ever used it? It's as powerful as the Galaxy S4 and almost one third of its price tag, please do some research before bashing these Chinese companies.

And please don't mix Hong Kong, Taiwan and China together as the same thing, it just proves your inexperience and blind judgement.

 

[anubis72]

Hope they flood the market with Fart apps and Flappy Bird clones!

 

[AxoNeuron]

Xiaomi phone ain't crap, have you ever used it? It's as powerful as the Galaxy S4 and almost one third of its price tag, please do some research before bashing these Chinese companies.

Now THAT is funny. Xaomi has a big habit of copying Apple devices.

For example, have you seen Xaomi's new "Mi Pad"? LOL! They couldn't even think of an original name for it without copying the iPad. There is almost nothing innovative about Xaomi or most other Chinese electronics companies for that matter.

If y'all want to label China, please don't label the entire Chinese race as bunch of pirates and copycats. As far as I'm concerned, NOT ALL Chinese pirate apps and stuff. Your stereotyping is just so wrong and it's like calling the entire American population as obese lazy bumps.

Honestly, without China, where will you get your iPhone, iPad etc from? From the states?
Apple focus on China for a reason, they are a rising economical power, like it or not. Apple knew it themselves, or why else would they focus on China? Xiaomi phone ain't crap, have you ever used it? It's as powerful as the Galaxy S4 and almost one third of its price tag, please do some research before bashing these Chinese companies.

First, any number of developing third world countries can do electronics manufacturing. As it keeps getting more expensive to do business in China and workers get paid more, other third world countries like India begin to look more attractive for manufacturing. China happens to be popular at the moment, but that could shift in an instant leaving China in economic ruins.

Second, China is rising. For now. In the process, they are utterly ruining their environment with pollution in such a disastrous way that it will be hard for them to sustain growth in 10-20 years. They'll never reach a per-capita GDP of even a fifth the US, simply because China's current economic system is much more vulnerable to global warming than most nations. When you've got five times as many mouths to feed with the same economic output...you're in for some serious problems.

 

[kdarling]

Now THAT is funny. Xaomi has a big habit of copying Apple devices.

Well, their CEO _is_ sometimes called the "Steve Jobs of the East"

Everyone "copies" everyone else eventually. Apple itself could be said to now be in the position of copying its competition (like Xiaomi) by having to increase its screen size and customization, and to lower prices on some models.

For example, have you seen Xaomi's new "Mi Pad"? LOL! They couldn't even think of an original name for it without copying the iPad.

"Mi" is pronounced "me-ee", not "my". It means "rice".

It's part of the Xiaomi ("Little Rice") company name, and many of their devices have "mi" in their name. E.g. the Hongmi ("Red Rice") phone.

(Of course, "iPad" was hardly an innovative name. Apple just stuck an "i" in front of a common tablet term. That's why it was one of the possible names predicted ahead of time.)

As for the colors, Apple has never made a pastel tablet. Xiaomi was even first with pastel colors on their Mi-2S (there's that "mi" again) phone, which came out almost a half year before the iPhone 5C.

 

[bmt134]

I didn't know Apple fans are racist.

 

[farkingdom]

Now THAT is funny. Xaomi has a big habit of copying Apple devices.

For example, have you seen Xaomi's new "Mi Pad"? LOL! They couldn't even think of an original name for it without copying the iPad. There is almost nothing innovative about Xaomi or most other Chinese electronics companies for that matter.

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First, any number of developing third world countries can do electronics manufacturing. As it keeps getting more expensive to do business in China and workers get paid more, other third world countries like India begin to look more attractive for manufacturing. China happens to be popular at the moment, but that could shift in an instant leaving China in economic ruins.

Second, China is rising. For now. In the process, they are utterly ruining their environment with pollution in such a disastrous way that it will be hard for them to sustain growth in 10-20 years. They'll never reach a per-capita GDP of even a fifth the US, simply because China's current economic system is much more vulnerable to global warming than most nations. When you've got five times as many mouths to feed with the same economic output...you're in for some serious problems.

Well, at least you are not pointing fingers on Samsung who copied and sell their products at premium. And it's not up to me to decide what you purchase, if you feel like shelling out a premium for a product of the same spec, be my guest. Xiaomi is still a relatively young company and their products IMO are best in terms of price/value ratio.

You seem to have labelled China and India as third world country, when both are in fact a developing country. Such term comes as racist. Global warming? I thought it is suppose to affect the entire world, not just China, every countries' economy are equally affected.

China is a manufacturing powerhouse, look around you and know that many of your electronics are manufactured and assembled in China. It's true that China's pollution is worse than the US (although the pollution from the US is already bad), but China is already starting to take initiative to combat this by enforcing laws. But still, I hated China's air and I think they are pretty late in turning things around for their environment.
China is growing too fast. The growing spurt rate of manufacturing has also produced the many knockoffs by the country and dirtied its environment. But they are not going down that easily, just because you thought the entire country rely on western powers. In fact, it's the other way round, the western world requires China's powerful manufacturing hub for mass production

 

[s2mikey]

Well, at least you are not pointing fingers on Samsung who copied and sell their products at premium. And it's not up to me to decide what you purchase, if you feel like shelling out a premium for a product of the same spec, be my guest. Xiaomi is still a relatively young company and their products IMO are best in terms of price/value ratio.

You seem to have labelled China and India as third world country, when both are in fact a developing country. Such term comes as racist. Global warming? I thought it is suppose to affect the entire world, not just China, every countries' economy are equally affected.

China is a manufacturing powerhouse, look around you and know that many of your electronics are manufactured and assembled in China. It's true that China's pollution is worse than the US (although the pollution from the US is already bad), but China is already starting to take initiative to combat this by enforcing laws. But still, I hated China's air and I think they are pretty late in turning things around for their environment.
China is growing too fast. The growing spurt rate of manufacturing has also produced the many knockoffs by the country and dirtied its environment. But they are not going down that easily, just because you thought the entire country rely on western powers. In fact, it's the other way round, the western world requires China's powerful manufacturing hub for mass production

China and India are third world counties. Most live in poverty and are miserable. Those that answer tech support calls or assemble iPads are only slightly less miserable. And, without the US innovation and our spending power there would be NO jobs or anything else to help build up china so they need us more than we need them. Without the US companies creating this stuff, what are the slaves going to build? China certainly does NOT create anything.... Whatsoever. They rely fully on others innovation and then they provide hoardes of cheap workers to make the stuff. When is the last time china actually developed and created something useful? Sesame chicken? C'mon....

 

[farkingdom]

China and India are third world counties. Most live in poverty and are miserable. Those that answer tech support calls or assemble iPads are only slightly less miserable. And, without the US innovation and our spending power there would be NO jobs or anything else to help build up china so they need us more than we need them. Without the US companies creating this stuff, what are the slaves going to build? China certainly does NOT create anything.... Whatsoever. They rely fully on others innovation and then they provide hoardes of cheap workers to make the stuff. When is the last time china actually developed and created something useful? Sesame chicken? C'mon....

Oh my gosh, your post just shows the level of immaturity and the amount of racism holding up in you. What have China done to offend you so much?
It's true that many over there are still living in poverty, but there are also parts of the country where there are economic success and developed, but to label the entire thing as third world? No, a fairer-term will be second world.

Now tell me which country survived the late-2000 financial crisis? And which foreign country is the biggest banker for the United States? China.
The fact is the US needs China as much as China needs the US. US just can't seem to stop importing from China, while China can't seem to stop exporting t them. Ever heard of mutualism?

I don't have to tell you what China has invented and innovated, you probably knew that gunpowder, compass, paper and printing are inventions of China. What has the US invented? iPhone is not an invention.

The amount of racism in Apple fanboys like you startle me. Calling people slaves? Geesh kid, just stop, stop it.

 

[iChrist]

I call ********. China yes Hong Kong Taiwan no. Cultures between Hong Kong, Taiwan and China are very very very different. I'm from Hong Kong and most of my friends don't download pirated apps (well we did a few years ago because we didn't have credit cards but not anymore) and all my relatives purchase apps.

Maybe you should know more about cultures between these three regions before bashing them.

You are maybe confused from constant breathing in smog. Your small sample size does not override actual evidence.

 

[AxoNeuron]

I love when I get called a racist for calling China a "third world country". Obviously, you people don't know your (recent) Chinese history do you?

After all, there was a rather infamous Chinese leader who created his own Three Worlds theory, and he himself labeled China as a third world nation...

Well, their CEO _is_ sometimes called the "Steve Jobs of the East"

Everyone "copies" everyone else eventually. Apple itself could be said to now be in the position of copying its competition (like Xiaomi) by having to increase its screen size and customization, and to lower prices on some models.



"Mi" is pronounced "me-ee", not "my". It means "rice".

It's part of the Xiaomi ("Little Rice") company name, and many of their devices have "mi" in their name. E.g. the Hongmi ("Red Rice") phone.

(Of course, "iPad" was hardly an innovative name. Apple just stuck an "i" in front of a common tablet term. That's why it was one of the possible names predicted ahead of time.)

As for the colors, Apple has never made a pastel tablet. Xiaomi was even first with pastel colors on their Mi-2S (there's that "mi" again) phone, which came out almost a half year before the iPhone 5C.

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And the Lumia 800 came out a year before that.

You cannot honestly deny that China doesn't have an enormous issue with piracy and cloned devices, can you? After all, if Apple was to court Indian developers there wouldn't be a huge fuss. There's a reason a lot of developers aren't happy when Apple tries to attract Chinese developers...it's because they're afraid of their hard efforts getting copied, lock-stock-and-barrel.

 

[Mactendo]

Exactly the reason why Chinese developers are going to be unsuccessful, its a massive waste of time. Why would I bother spending a lot of time if I'm going to get NOTHING in return. The only apps they're going to produce are going to be of poor quality.

I kept saying this over and over and people think that developing a quality app is 4 hours worth of work...

I'd like to hear from another dev who has put together quality apps before that can explain to me how Chinese devs can prosper...not just iOS, ANY software that isn't pushed by the Chinese govt.

Actually Chinese devs sadly have more chances to prosper in China. Chinese market is unique and huge. If Chinese developer makes something truly catered to the local market, something that western developers can't do, then he has chances to reach the success and even if only the small part of users will pay for its software, considering the huge size of Chinese market he will do well anyway.