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It's optional, and I don't see what's wrong with paying more for more features. Not to mention that service revenue is what helps keep hardware prices a little lower than what they should be, given that hardware margins have been decreasing of late.

It also helps pay for a large spaceship building.

Funny how a company that projects the image of independence if you buy their products, built such a large building so they can keep a close eye on what their employees are doing. Buy Apple products, be creative, free yourself from the normal 8-5 office life, unless you work for us 🤣
 
They are literally in consumer debt business (credit card) and mortgage business (their 2019 investment fund in California housing that was under the guise of charity).

Tim Cook is running out the clock on his tenure with squeezing blood from turnips because he has no ideas.

When he took over Apple, their products had differentiated OSes (except for iPad).

They have turned Apple products into Taco Bell style offerings: different products, same ingredients.

Everything has to be the same across all their systems, no matter how bad the products are. And now with this "plus" everything.

Macs and iPods didn't use the same OS, the same interface, the same chips, the same anything, and yet they worked better together for syncing and organizing music back and forth through iTunes (when it really shone) than say an iPhone and Apple Watch today, which have a much clunkier connection, with data virtually stuck in iPhone backups.
 
I hope that Podcasts + is a way for podcasters to create paid for content easily. Apple don't create the content, just the means for content providers to make money (without advertising).
 
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Oh.. more subscriptions.
What comes next? Separate subscription to use iCloud Photos? Subscription to download free Apps on the AppStore? Subscription to make phone calls? Or.. a subscription to use our devices we paid a ton of cash for?

Sorry, but I'm so sick of subscriptions.
 
They are literally in consumer debt business (credit card) and mortgage business (their 2019 investment fund in California housing that was under the guise of charity).

Tim Cook is running out the clock on his tenure with squeezing blood from turnips because he has no ideas.

When he took over Apple, their products had differentiated OSes (except for iPad).

They have turned Apple products into Taco Bell style offerings: different products, same ingredients.

Everything has to be the same across all their systems, no matter how bad the products are. And now with this "plus" everything.

Macs and iPods didn't use the same OS, the same interface, the same chips, the same anything, and yet they worked better together for syncing and organizing music back and forth through iTunes (when it really shone) than say an iPhone and Apple Watch today, which have a much clunkier connection, with data virtually stuck in iPhone backups.
I 100% agree with you. Apple products worked better with each other 10 years ago then they do now. It’s about making as much money from people who don’t know any better now.
 
Been listening to podcasts since I played them on an actual iPod. I have no desire to pay for them, even Leo Laporte and TWIT are going to an optional paid model. It’s getting expensive to have technology, I’m really starting to miss the days when I just had to pay for the device.
 
Nah, I don't have time to listen to podcasts and as I only subscribe to Apple TV+, I have no use for this as a throw-in in Apple One.
 
Podcasting is the last free beacon and realm on the internet...very worried about its future.
I agree. The internet died a longtime ago. It’s now just marketing and retail business. Its no longer about making the world better and giving people access to useful information. It’s about how much money can one make from others. Google with their paid searches and Apple with their ecosystem.
 
Been listening to podcasts since I played them on an actual iPod. I have no desire to pay for them, even Leo Laporte and TWIT are going to an optional paid model. It’s getting expensive to have technology, I’m really starting to miss the days when I just had to pay for the device.
Same. I tried Luminary for a bit, it has good stuff but not enough to pay for a $35 subscription.
 
Do. Not. Give. Them. Ideas.
Ever.
You sound as if Apple wouldn't get those ideas themselves...

Apple goes more and more into services... So they need more and more services to get money from.
But: Most of their software and also services is not polished and often buggy, just very slow or lacks features the competition has for years and people would like to use.

Apple Music for example is extremely slow compared to Spotify. Especially bad on a Mac. And on a Mac it's quite cumbersome to use. The search is probably the worst I've ever seen.

Maybe instead of making new services for every single piece of ****, what about improving and polishing the services you already have, Apple?
 
It also helps pay for a large spaceship building.

Funny how a company that projects the image of independence if you buy their products, built such a large building so they can keep a close eye on what their employees are doing. Buy Apple products, be creative, free yourself from the normal 8-5 office life, unless you work for us

If you read the story of how the iPhone was conceived, you will realise that there is no magic formula here. Just day after day of long gruelling work designing every single aspect of the phone that needed to be designed.

The spaceship headquarters is designed to foster the very design-led process that led to products like the iphone. The reason why Apple products even work the way they do is due to intense collaboration between the different teams. You are not going to get the same outcome if everyone were to be working from home.

Apple is a toolmaker. Their products are designed to let you do your job more easily, but it’s not going to radically change the nature of your job.
 
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Oh.. more subscriptions.
What comes next? Separate subscription to use iCloud Photos? Subscription to download free Apps on the AppStore? Subscription to make phone calls? Or.. a subscription to use our devices we paid a ton of cash for?

Sorry, but I'm so sick of subscriptions.

Don’t these already exist?

Phone calls - your monthly phone plan
Use your devices - Apple’s iphone plan (whatever the plan is that splits your iphone into 24 monthly payments and lets you upgrade every year).
iCloud photos - that’s basically iCloud storage
Download free apps - there was actually an app I tried a while back which let you bookmark apps for free. There was a subscription service that would alert you whenever a bookmarked app had a discount, but then I realised you were better off just using the money to purchase those apps instead. Think it was lookmark or something.

Everything is a subscription theses days. If you are not subscribed to Apple, then you are subscribed to something else.
 
If you read the story of how the iPhone was conceived, you will realise that there is no magic formula here. Just day after day of long gruelling work designing every single aspect of the phone that needed to be designed.

The spaceship headquarters is designed to foster the very design-led process that led to products like the iphone. The reason why Apple products even work the way they do is due to intense collaboration between the different teams. You are not going to get the same outcome if everyone were to be working from home.

Apple is a toolmaker. Their products are designed to let you do your job more easily, but it’s not going to radically change the nature of your job.
And the second iMac design was inspired by walling through a garden. It doesn’t change the fact that office buildings are the 2000s version of the early 1900s factories. The only people I know who want to work in office building anymore are supervisors. Workers want freedom.
 
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I 100% agree with you. Apple products worked better with each other 10 years ago then they do now. It’s about making as much money from people who don’t know any better now.

I don’t know about you, but I bought my first Apple products in 2011 and I didn’t feel like they really played well with one another back then. iTunes was clunky, iCloud was still in its infancy, and there was no airdrop, handoff, reading list or iCloud Keychain to pass information from one device to another.

Today, I can set up my Apple TV by placing my phone on it. I can unlock my MacBook Air with my Apple Watch. I can stream music from my watch. My ipad becomes a 2nd display for my macbook. I can copy something on my iphone and paste it on my ipad.

An alternate way of putting this would that all these various paid services help add value to the apple ecosystem. And is it not the apple ecosystem which makes people stay and not go for competing alternatives?

A consumer is free to opt for Apple Music over spotify if he enjoys the native siri integration and the Apple Watch / Apple TV support.

Just like how the Apple Card is there as an option for people who think that Apple’s improved privacy is worth giving up whatever benefits their other credit cards may have.

Apple Arcade, News+ and TV+ allow Apple to extend their values of privacy and human curation.

If anything, I am upset that there are a number of services which are still not available here in Singapore. I would love to have Apple Card and Fitness+. It would be cool to have all my apple hardware tied together with apple-branded services.

Maybe one day...
 
And the second iMac design was inspired by walling through a garden. It doesn’t change the fact that office buildings are the 2000s version of the early 1900s factories. The only people I know who want to work in office building anymore are supervisors. Workers want freedom.

Some jobs can be done just as well remotely. Assuming the quality of work is not compromised, I see no harm in allowing these employees to work from home.

I just don’t think Apple’s corporate structure allows for this sort of remote work. In the very least, it would not be sustainable in the long run. The quality of work is definitely going to suffer.

In this context, what workers want is irrelevant if it does not allow Apple to achieve the desired end result. That’s what employees need to understand - they are paid by a company to solve a problem for them, not create more problems.

I have been there. Schools closed last year due to the pandemic and while I found it cool to do home-based-learning from home, the general takeaway is that this simply wasn’t working (in an elementary school context at least). Not every household was equipped to support proper online learning, it was hard to monitor students’ learning (the damage was painfully apparent when students returned to school 2 months later looking like they had forgotten everything taught in the first half of the year), and there are soft skills that can be taught only in a school environment.

I liked being able to wake up later, not have to dress formally for work, being able to sneak in afternoon naps and being able to use my home imac for online lessons. But at the end of the day, none of this matters if it doesn’t help the student learn better, which is what I as a teacher am being paid to do. I am back in school now, I am busier than ever. I still miss my afternoon naps. But work is still work at the end of the day.

If you want freedom, be your own boss. Else, like I said, you are being paid to do a job. Do it.
 
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I don’t know about you, but I bought my first Apple products in 2011 and I didn’t feel like they really played well with one another back then. iTunes was clunky, iCloud was still in its infancy, and there was no airdrop, handoff, reading list or iCloud Keychain to pass information from one device to another.

Today, I can set up my Apple TV by placing my phone on it. I can unlock my MacBook Air with my Apple Watch. I can stream music from my watch. My ipad becomes a 2nd display for my macbook. I can copy something on my iphone and paste it on my ipad.

An alternate way of putting this would that all these various paid services help add value to the apple ecosystem. And is it not the apple ecosystem which makes people stay and not go for competing alternatives?

A consumer is free to opt for Apple Music over spotify if he enjoys the native siri integration and the Apple Watch / Apple TV support.

Just like how the Apple Card is there as an option for people who think that Apple’s improved privacy is worth giving up whatever benefits their other credit cards may have.

Apple Arcade, News+ and TV+ allow Apple to extend their values of privacy and human curation.

If anything, I am upset that there are a number of services which are still not available here in Singapore. I would love to have Apple Card and Fitness+. It would be cool to have all my apple hardware tied together with apple-branded services.

Maybe one day...
The benefits you listed, benefit Apple selling you more products, more than they benefit you daily. How often do you need to setup a new Apple TV? Once. Meanwhile iCloud mail still to this day doesn’t mark an email as read on all of your devices after its been read. Every other email service does this and has for 10+ years. I guess maybe if I paid Apple my emails would be marked as read...
 
The more I've thought about this, the more I think I have an idea where what they may be trying to do here (beyond having exclusive rights to certain podcasts). I listen to a few podcasts pretty regularly, and at least 2 of them have either ad-free or bonus content pay-walled behind a 3rd party website (stitcher and patreon). I believe there is some sort of process to get that audio into your podcast app. So this may be a way for Apple to provide that same content without the hassle of going to another site/app to get this content content. We shall see I guess.
 
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