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Google has actually bought a ton of companies. They're not building all this stuff in-house.

Here's a list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Google

I stand corrected. Thanks for that.

Yet Apple bought a company named NeXT, run by some guy named Jobs. Although NeXT did produce both hardware and software at startup, it was software-only at the time of acquisition. I know Apple retained at least some of the technology and personnel who came over in that deal.

Sometimes you can manage to do everything in-house, but one of the great dangers for any company or civilization is to shun things that were, "not invented here." Yet not everything develops as you wished - marriages and alliances fail all the time. Other marriages and alliances succeed.

NeXt is definitely a great exception here, thanks for reminding me of that.

I'm not saying Apple shouldn't be buying companies, in fact I'm all for it but I would want to see Apple integrate and iterate its own services faster than it does now. Apple never had any good track records with it web services, even right now I can't think of a single web service that is great.

Imagine Apple buying NeXt but didn't improve OS X afterward, it would've still gone out of business on its own.
 
Uh, I hope not. What if you want kid friendly wifi? meaning wifi with violence and porn filters

It's all very well filtering such stuff out of tintermawebs, but there's not much point if there's sex and violence happening all around you in the restaurant.
 
Anything to make Siri more useful.
To be fair; all search engines have been becoming more and more inept for decades. I assume that and "assistant" has to battle the same issues as if you were to formulate the query yourself.

Time was that you could search for a keyword or phrase and actually get at least a page of relevant results. Perhaps hundreds if you used a meta search engine.
Now; even searching on eBay or a store website has the option to search by "relevance"! And even explicitly entering a include/exclude keyword chain is more likely than not to produce results without a single occurrence of the search term. With emphasis on social media or link farms or similar junk.
 
Siri in a box is literally the last thing I want, because I've barely used her in the past 5 years on my phone.

Can't wait till they ramble on about Siri in a box for about an hour straight during their keynote. #innovation

So because you haven't used that feature makes it useless. I see. Thanks for setting me straight. :rolleyes:
 
I think everyone wants a device that actually interprets what we are saying better not to understand complex sentences.

Then again, vocally communicating to a machine was something I never imagined to happen during my lifetime... as SJ said, its like The Jetsons.

Maybe I am old...
 
I stand corrected. Thanks for that.



NeXt is definitely a great exception here, thanks for reminding me of that.

I'm not saying Apple shouldn't be buying companies, in fact I'm all for it but I would want to see Apple integrate and iterate its own services faster than it does now. Apple never had any good track records with it web services, even right now I can't think of a single web service that is great.

Imagine Apple buying NeXt but didn't improve OS X afterward, it would've still gone out of business on its own.

The thing is, there's no knowing the future. When I first heard about the NeXT Cube, I knew it was the right approach to personal computing. When Apple later acquired NeXT (and re-acquired Steve), I knew that was the right move, too. But I could have been wrong. We just don't know until the future has become history.

I don't think NeXT was the exception to the acquisition "rule." However, we often don't know just what has been acquired, no less whether it found its way into future Apple products. I'm pretty confident that Apple's management and board of directors do know, and are fully aware of the cost of the alternative. For the most part, Apple has "gambled" on buying companies and talent before those companies can be traded on the stock market. As a result, they pay a substantially lower price and get the tech (when it's successful) far sooner than had they waited for it to become proven by the marketplace. But the farther a product is from fruition, the more likely it won't succeed. That's unavoidable.

There's no doubt that, as in any large organization, there will be times when institutional forces resist the winds of change. Entrepreneurial leaders may chafe under the weight of a bureaucracy. Creatives may want a faster timeline... Some will leave in disgust and announce their availability on LinkedIn, while others quietly stay on the job and honor their NDAs. We just don't know enough to judge whether Apple's acquisition process is genius, or a fool's errand.

Meantime... What Apple, Google, Amazon, Viv (among others) are trying to do with AI is really, really difficult. They are driving each other towards success. If/when they succeed, it won't be one company that owns that future, or solves all the challenges. Even if patent monopolies temporarily keep the benefits out of the public domain, eventually all the world will own the benefits.

Despite advances in UI design, we humans still have to adapt to our machines. We're finally moving towards machines that will adapt to us. Speech control may be the penultimate UI (the ultimate would be telepathy, IMO) - yet speech will always have shortcomings. We don't only interact with and control our world verbally/linguistically - any musician, stone mason, or kayaker can tell you that.

I've been waiting patiently for certain aspects of the future for about 50 years. And the stories that predicted that future were already "old" and "classic" by the time I was inspired by them. We've long known that AI is hard, really hard, and that it's been advancing in small steps, not giant leaps. All the "intelligent assistants" out there are still in relative infancy. Many of us demand that, to be satisfactory, computer-assistants must be essentially omniscient. Yet if our closest friends and family members routinely misunderstand us, what hope is there for Siri, Cortana, HAL, et. al.? We have enough trouble with sentient assistants. "Genie, make me a chocolate malted." "Poof, you're a chocolate malted!"

Yet perfection is what humanity demands. We can accept imperfection in ourselves (or, at least occasionally tolerate it), but we have zero tolerance when it comes to machines. Autonomous vehicles could, hopefully, reduce the US highway death toll by 99.9%, but some of us would treat those remaining fatalities as unpardonable sins. Better to lose 39,960 lives to human error than to trust a machine.

We're still haunted by the possibility of a Frankenstein's Monster. We don't trust humanity to build benevolent machines.We expect well-intended experiments to backfire, and we expect that mad scientists will try to take over the world. We seem to have very little faith in good intentions and competent science and engineering. We're so afraid of science run amok that we'd rather put our future into the hands of former prom queens, generals, house painters, actors, spy agency officials, real estate speculators, religious fanatics, reality TV personalities...
 
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To be fair; all search engines have been becoming more and more inept for decades.

And even explicitly entering a include/exclude keyword chain is more likely than not to produce results without a single occurrence of the search term. With emphasis on social media or link farms or similar junk.

Really? Do you use Google? If you use quotation marks it'll even search for exact terms using spelling mistakes.
 
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For me, Google is actually the winner in this situation.

This isn't a good sign for Apple, to depend on buying third party companies to make better services. Hardware technology is a different story but software and brain power?

The fact that Apple hasn't been able to improve on Siri enough after buying its creator is a bad enough sign. This is even worse news for the long term.

Google is better because they're learning and improving their techniques on their own (unless I'm wrong here), they're even building their own powerful custom machine-learning chips just for improving their services. Apple is not improving or learning, they're just buying companies at the moment.

You're being a bit ridiculous - I'm a computer programmer - we don't just sprout knowledge in new areas spontaneously. We all specialize in specific areas. Every company (Google included) hires talent in the areas that are needed for a particular project. You can't expect a user interface expert to become a voice recognition engineer. And you're wrong - Apple has dramatically improved SIRI's voice recognition. They used to contract out to Nuance but put a team together to build out the system in-house. The individual word recognition failure rate has noticeably decreased.
 
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Sounds like Siri could be a big part of WWDC.

Assuming that happens; the headline specifically says "may" which erqually means "may not". "Could" also means "could not". But these FUDdy articles only give competition premature information to improve their ability to compete.
 
While not mentioned in this article, VocalIQ was founded in 2011. How can a company that was only around for 4 years, have spent the last "10" years doings anything?

VocalIQ was founded in 2011, but it was founded to build off the work of the Dialogue Systems Group at the University of Cambridge. The CEO, for instance, has authored papers on dialogue and machine-human interactions since 2007, and, I didn't look, but I suspect someone at the company helped fill the "10 year" description.

I will admit I only spent about 7 minutes looking into it, because I was curious.
 
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