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So Tom Cook can be the King and Apple fans should immigrant to the newly build nation. In there, only Apple services would allowed, you will pay 90% if your income to Apple. Only industry would be building Apple's new products, paid with minimum wage comparable to 19th century standard?

Only fruit you can eat is Apple, and only food you can eat is Apple related food (ie. Apple Pie)
Yes, this. If the doj brings a suit, it’s not a slam dunk the doj will win. They do not have a 100% win rate.
 
It is not problem when Apple enter into a new product category, it is problem when Apple abuse its muscle and not provide leveling play field.

When Apple charging 30% of services to theird party providers, but Apple doesn't have to pay. When third party providers can't use APIs that only Apple can. When Apple has finally say if third party services provider can or cannot using Apple store or when Apple change its course.

Apple has repeatedly showing its anti-competitive behaviors. It must be stop and splited into different smaller companies.
Who says Apple doesn’t have to pay? Do you have some inside knowledge that a portion of Apple Music revenue doesn’t also fund the App Store? That part of the costs of operating Apple’s own apps and services is directly tied to the costs to maintain the listing on the App Store? That advertisements they place aren’t also part of the budget for the services and are calculated in their profit margins? Who would Apple being paying that revenue split to for their services? It’s all allocated to individual accounts on their books, and each service is siloed SPECIFICALLY to avoid the lawsuits you’re suggesting would come up because they’re misappropriating funds.

Private APIs are entirely allowed to be private. Every OS has proprietary protocols that developers aren’t allowed to use. This is a joke right?
 
handful of oversized companies trapping users on their “platforms”

This does not exist, please stop saying it.

You are free to buy a competitors device at any time and it will work today. Like any other investment into an "ecosystem" there will be nuances that need a little research and work but you are not "trapped".
 
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Some of those 3rd parties competed directly with Apple from the beginning. Competition is a good thing, and the App Store has to be self-funded. That’s literally how you avoid anti-trust problems. Every category and business Apple is in should be self-funded and is reported separately. Markets have changed, and Apple has adapted. Music, TV, even iWork/MobileMe has evolved. To suggest Apple can’t get into any market because someone already did it, or to suggest they can’t make an app because someone else already made it is ridiculous. People want Apple to make a Calculator app for the iPad, should they not because there are thousands of them already on the store?
Just because it’s ridiculous, doesn’t mean that millions of people won’t support it. Intelligent business people, who understand how business works won’t.
 
Maybe just like Nintendo eShop or PlayStation Store, etc… many of these problems would go away if they changed the name from “AppStore” to “Apple eStore” or something along those lines.

It would stop the confusion that it’s not a public venue for everybody to freely take from but a company’s property and invention that decided (in its best interest, granted) to open the doors for third parties and share some of it since conception.

I’m not saying whatever they do is fair or not, but it’s troublesome that politics can force them to decide what and how to sell and how to conduct their business.
 
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I have said it many times here. Apple has billions of dollars. It should buy an island and declare it as a sovereign nation. Then it can have the rules that it wants. No worry about DOJ and Antitrust and other such stuff.

Doesn’t quite work like that. They’re rich, they’re not sovereign nation rich. And they won’t be rich for long if no one trades with them because they won’t follow rules.
 
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They can get into any market they like they just shouldn't be allowed to use their platform to self preference
Everyone that makes a product self preferences. GM over Ford. Tesla over Rivian and vice versa.
Visit any grocery store and see store branded bread at a lower cost than the competitive name brand.
 
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Private APIs are entirely allowed to be private. Every OS has proprietary protocols that developers aren’t allowed to use. This is a joke right?
My company is moving a way from a product that does NOT use a Microsoft API for Active Directory access. They "can't" use it, so they have another way around it. However, it doesn't work for us so we are moving to another product.

You're 100% correct here.
 
This does not exist, please stop saying it.

You are free to buy a competitors device at any time and it will work today. Like any other investment into an "ecosystem" there will be nuances that need a little research and work but you are not "trapped".
My boss recently switched from an iPhone and iWatch to a Samsung flip 4 and Samsung watch.
He wasn't trapped either. :)

You are 100% correct.
 
I don’t see how Apple is stifling innovation and competition. They create their own hardware and software which allows their ecosystem to sync smoothly across their devices. As far as I know no other computer manufacturer does that, at least nowhere to the same extent.

If you go to a Sony store or GM or Honda dealership naturally they will favour their own products first. If you don’t like their products you go somewhere else.

Apple is not a Best Buy or Sears or any other department store known for stocking/selling all manner of different brands and products.

Seems to me there a lot of envious people who want a piece of Apple’s business and/or to play in Apple’s sandbox and think they should be able to do it wth little to no cost.

Business is competitive and to some extent cutthroat. Apple, like many others, has been successful in carving out its own niche. I don’t see Apple doing anything other companies wouldn’t do given the opportunity and/or ability.

The issue is largely related to Apple's dominance in the mobile and tablet OS markets. Apple (iOS) and Google (Android) control most of those markets. According to Statcounter, for example, iOS has around 61% share and Android has around 38% share of the mobile OS market in the U.S. They're the only two major players. Companies with notable dominance, power, control, etc. of a market can face antitrust scrutiny.

You don't see that kind of dominance with GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, etc. in the auto market.
 
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Ah a tired old trope comparing retail stores to digital markets. Has anybody mentioned games consoles yet?
The concept is based off a physical store. It had to be based off something, since it didn't exist prior. We had physical before we had digital. Apple even gave better terms than physical stores with the 70/30 split. 70 for the developer and 30 for Apple to host and maintain a digital store. Physical stores tend to charge even more than that.

No developers fee has gone up on the store since inception.
 
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The issue is largely related to Apple's dominance in the mobile and tablet OS markets. Apple (iOS) and Google (Android) control most of those markets. According to Statcounter, for example, iOS has around 61% share and Android has around 38% share of the mobile OS market in the U.S. They're the only two major players. Companies with notable dominance, power, control, etc. of a market can face antitrust scrutiny.

You don't see that kind of dominance with GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, etc. in the auto market.
The iPhone is a drop in the bucket compared to the remainder of the phone manufacturers. That’s a more apt comparison to the auto industry. The fact that manufacturers of smartphones want to pay google one buck instead of building their own is not an apple issue. Maybe google should be banned from selling operating systems.

Grab your popcorn and we will see what changes, if any these will bring.
 
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The concept is based off a physical store. It had to be based off something, since it didn't exist prior. We had physical before we had digital. Apple even gave better terms than physical stores with the 70/30 split. 70 for the developer and 30 for Apple to host and maintain a digital store. Physical stores tend to charge even more than that.

No developers fee has gone up on the store since inception.
Stores do not charge a cut at all. Walmart negotiates and purchase a product for sale in their store. Then they set the price they want to sell the item for. There is no comparison in terms of split.

The way to look at it is a developer can determine they want to earn $9 per sale. To do this you set the price to $13. You get your $9 and Apple gets their $4 (30%). The 30% is just a business expense that factors into how a developer should price their app. It is no different from factoring in rent, local taxes, employee costs, insurance, etc which are all business expenses.
 
I have mixed feelings about all this. We have a huge problem with a handful of oversized companies trapping users on their “platforms” and then stifling innovation and competition. But I have little faith in government bureaucrats’ ability to properly address the problem without making it worse for consumers and small competitors.
As someone who has literally spent about $25,000 on iTunes content, how the hell am I trapped? I can move to Android any day of the week. I’m more trapped by my ISP where I need to sell my HOUSE and move to get an alternative to Spectrum.
 
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