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MrCrowbar said:
Where OSX shines is multitasking. Run Photoshop, Word and iTunes on a PC and it is just painful on Windows.

This really is the worst kind FUD. Perhaps you should run a Windows machine newer than say 1995 or with more than 256 meg of RAM. I'm running Outlook, virus protection, Websphere application developer, IIS, Word, iTunes, SQL Server, IE, Corel Photopaint, about half a dozen server processes for the web app I'm working on, yahoo chat, and all the silly asset management things my company adds on a 2 ghz Pentium 4-M (about a 3 year old laptop) with 1 gig of RAM. It runs fine. Windows has the same problem OSX has, if starved of RAM it runs like crap, if you've got enough RAM it's fine.
 
nataku said:
Lol! :D :D :D Microsoft has really gotten hit on the head really really really hard. Those guys dont know anything about creating something great.. All they do is copy the idea of someone else and use their marketing bullshlt to make it look original. I suddenly have the urge to snap a Win XP CD in half.

Well I know it hurts some of the Mac Fanboys here to think this and/or you'll continue in some alternate reality but Microsuck certainly DOESN'T mind being able to run XPee on the Mac... why would they? When they have to bundle XPee on a Dull, Hewsh|t Packturd, Chumpac, Hateway, they only get about $50 per license. If someone has to actually buy their OS, they make $100-150 per sale of XPee. Microsuck, bottom line, is a business, and as such they like making money. To sell copies of their craptacularly woeful OS at retail price to them is a good thing... it's more profit, and like any company more profit is a great thing. It's the other peecee makers listed above that wont be congratulating Apple, after all, they're the ones that may lose a sale, if a switcher buys a Mac because now he/she can run both OSes that doens't hurt Microsuck any.

So that being said, those that may steal XPee as warez or whatever depriving M$ of more profit, I won't lose any sleep over that.
 
Windows on Intel should be faster than OS X on Intel...They've been doing it for at least 15 years.What do people expect?..Big deal.So an app opens 1 second faster in XP..Is that what people really want? An app to open a little faster? no way.People want a computer that is trustworthy,stable and most importantly virus free..

Give Apple a break here fans.Let them get stuff going.This is a BIG,BIG switch.
 
Anyhow, it's funny how people on this thread want the OsX to be faster than Windows.

That's rubbish. We might like/prefer OsX because of its features, or because of its stability, or because of the way it does things (feel free to complete that in your mind). But if you take one type of operation (rendering, or fps for games, or whatever else), there will certainly always be one PC in the world to do it faster than a Mac: such as the PC owned by your neighbour's 15-year old son, who spends all of his money and his time fine-tuning his machine with the latest CPU, the latest video card, the latest motherboard etc... (btw, he's regularly broke).

Apple's catalog is not, and cannot be, as quickly and as often at the top of the performance charts: they release a new product, hopefully a technological bomb, and then it's 6 months before they update it with faster cycles and new gizmos. If you don't agree with me, just check the video cards provided for Minis and iMacs. It's the same with the CPUs, you can only choose between a couple of rather-slow to rather-fast CPUs. There are too few clients to provide an extensive array of products.

On the other hand, the macs are designed globally, which might mean a better design of all interactive elements, and the Os suits better our needs.

My point: Os X might be 25% slower than Windows on the benchmarks on some PCs, and the worst is: it might be true (no need to find explanations why the benchmarks have to be flawed); but I don't care, as long as my Mac does what I want the way I want it, and Windows does not, to my point of view - taking into consideration the time for maintenance and the enjoyment of the computer time.
 
oh yea...one more thing. Im not at all excited bout running windows XP on my new macbook pro. I dun wanna invited virus and spywares into my harddisk.
 
Photorun said:
Virus protection? Why would a person need that... oh, right, you poor chap, you're doing Windoze!:D
I haven't used an antivirus program in 9 years now and in those nine years I've gotten exactly one virus (Blaster). I would say that the virus threat is somewhat overexaggerated. It's all about common sense really.

And, beore you ask, I run online scans every few months just in case. Nothing so far.
 
Photorun said:
Virus protection? Why would a person need that... oh, right, you poor chap, you're doing Windoze!:D QUOTE]

Why is it that Apple includes virus protection with a dotmac account? "Virus protection built right in."

I guess the software engineers at Apple don't know OS X very well, huh?
 
glowingstar said:
it's not like ms is making the hardware. let's hear what michael dell has to say ... :D

I hope AAPL doesn't buy themselves an antitrust lawsuit by doing this.

1. Tying purchase of computer to purchase of OS. (The OS X license prohibits installation on non-AAPL hardware).

2. Monopoly on multi-OS computer.

By allowing this and by disallowing use of OS X on other hardware, I hope they do not embroil themselves in an unfair competition lawsuit.
 
Microsoft doesn't lose...

I'm not sure why I keep reading that Microsoft should be worried, or that this is somehow beating them down. Microsoft is a software company, this just means selling more copies of XP for them.

The people who should be worried are companies like Dell. Although, unless Apple really comes in low on pricing of the iBook and future consumer machines - even Dell probably doesn't have to worry too much, since they don't really deal in high-end computer manufacturing (though they did just buy Alienware - right? That might make them quake a bit.)

This is a win-win situation for Apple and Microsoft. Apple gives added value to their computers by making them Mac and Windows machines, which will attract some new users. Microsoft sells more software - they know they aren't going to lose much market share to Apple...regular people don't care about operating systems, they want to run what they already know - which 95% of the time is Windows.

Joe

p.s. - I am a to-the-core Mac user, in case anyone thinks this is Windows-user flame bait. It's not.
 
AIDENSHAW...WRONG again.

AidenShaw said:
Look at the "available" number - just about 400 MiB is actually in use.

The PF number includes memory reservations and other overhead - the "available" number is the better one to use.

WRONG! The original statement is correct. Stop blathering AIDENSHAW - you are showing a lack of knowledge.
 
An email to John Markoff at the NYTimes

I just had to email the author of the NYTimes article, John Markoff, on a couple of things that bugged me that he wrote in. I thought the MacRumors group might like to it...

JGowan said:
I take issue with several things you said in "Windows or Mac? Apple Says Both", including...

"The move was greeted with exuberance even among the loyal cult of Macintosh enthusiasts who sustained Apple through many bleak years before its resurgence on the strength of its iPod music player."

First off, people loyal to Macs aren't in a cult. We simply don't want to have to use a Windows PC that has too many bugs to count, too many viruses to count and that are ugly. If it wasn't for Apple, computers would still be beige.

Secondly, your statement implies that Apple hasn't really brought anything to the table since Nov 10, 2001 when the iPod arrived. This is totally false. When Steve Jobs came back in 1997, he turned the company around and started the constant trend of innovation.

Since then Jobs, with the help of Jonathan Ives and a lot of talented people, has managed to give us products used by millions the world over. The iMac and their new operating system, OS X is truly what got them back to selling. But the their desktop computers, laptops, displays and software titles have been what's driving them, not blind loyalty. Oh, let's not forget the Billion songs they've sold legally on their wonderful iTunes.

Apple's innovation has been the catalyst for success. Sure the iPod has helped but Apple was moving fast and hard in the years since '97 when Jobs came back and 4th Q 2001 when the iPod came out. Actually, sales for the iPod have only recently become phenominal. By recent, I would say a couple of years. There's 7 or 8 years of innovation that you blindly blew past and made light of with your statement. Of course, to praise Jobs too much in the early paragraphs, would not allow for a smooth segue about him that you wrote in the following:

"Ever the showman, Mr. Jobs had been accused of excess in a recent product introduction, when he called reporters to Apple's headquarters on short notice for a presentation that included a leather glove to protect the finish of an iPod music player."

Lastly, this event held so much more to it then some leather ipod case. Apparently this statement was simply designed to skew public perception. With this event, another piece of the Mac Intel puzzle came together: the introduction of the Mac Mini with the Intel Chip. Also, Apple was able to publicly announce its very recent sell of it's 1 billionth song on iTunes, a huge milestone. Finally, they introduced a completely new piece of hardware, the wonderful iPod Hi-Fi Music Player that works with all dockable iPods they've ever produced. While the event was not the most jaw-dropping one we've seen, it certainly had enough merit to be held.

I think both statements were designed to downplay Apple's technological advancements since Steve Jobs' return as CEO for almost a decade now. You mention the iPod as if it were the only thing Apple has done well and then suggest that a press conference was hardly called for due to some simple leather case.

You're a journalist. You're supposed to be unbiased. You're not.
 
modernpixel said:
I'm not sure why I keep reading that Microsoft should be worried, or that this is somehow beating them down. Microsoft is a software company, this just means selling more copies of XP for them.

The people who should be worried are companies like Dell. Although, unless Apple really comes in low on pricing of the iBook and future consumer machines - even Dell probably doesn't have to worry too much, since they don't really deal in high-end computer manufacturing (though they did just buy Alienware - right? That might make them quake a bit.)

This is a win-win situation for Apple and Microsoft. Apple gives added value to their computers by making them Mac and Windows machines, which will attract some new users. Microsoft sells more software - they know they aren't going to lose much market share to Apple...regular people don't care about operating systems, they want to run what they already know - which 95% of the time is Windows.

Joe

p.s. - I am a to-the-core Mac user, in case anyone thinks this is Windows-user flame bait. It's not.

Exactly! MS is probably ecstatic about all this as they now can increase their Windows market to the Mac market. More copies sold and more money made. Congrats to Apple and all those loyal Mac users and switchers that love Macs because they are better quality and don't run Windows which is less stable....OH Wait! I forget it's 4/6/06 now. We have MacWinTel machines loved and supported by Mac users.
 
Shintocam said:
Well I can tell you I have two Windows machines that I use fairly regularly (not as much as my Mac but still fairly regularly). I have had them both for 3 years. They are running XP. They have NEVER crashed. Not EVER. Oh and they have never had a virus either. Not one. My Mac G4 15"PB on the other hand, has locked up/crashed probably about 6 times over the last two years. Still not bad at all really however it was pretty much never my fault (usually it was Apple's in my opinion CRAPPY USB driver for the iPod (the firewire works fine) that caused the problem). Still, I love my powerbook (mostly because the I just like the OS) and look forward to getting an iMAC soon (and a new MacBook Pro of course). I may also stop having to have two computers on my desk so that I can run my Win only apps.

But you know most of the crashes in Windows are because someone loaded some piece of junk shareware app onto their computer. There are many fold more apps for Windows than apple when it comes to shareware, 99% of which is written by complete amatuers (which is fine) that cannot possibly account for the thousands of possible variants of a PC. Many crashes are hardware related. How many video cards are there for the Mac? Half a dozen? How many are there for the PC? A few hundred? How is it windows fault if some crappy video card maker comes up with a even worse driver that causes Direct X to crash?

XP seems to be to an OS of extremes, it's either super stable or really nasty (someone said they reinstall once a month! -sorry to the poster, to lazy to look)

I'd imagine it's what you do to it/how you use it (haxies, etc) like any system

I agree with the USB observation. Why is it that USB drives are faster in XP than X? Though I have friends that have had problems with firewire in XP. I think each side wants their solution to "look" better :rolleyes:
 
asencif said:
Exactly! MS is probably ecstatic about all this as they now can increase their Windows market to the Mac market. More copies sold and more money made. Congrats to Apple and all those loyal Mac users and switchers that love Macs because they are better quality and don't run Windows which is less stable....OH Wait! I forget it's 4/6/06 now. We have MacWinTel machines loved and supported by Mac users.

Hmmm...how to calculate marketshare now? I guess there must be 4 categories (Win only, OS X only, dual boot, other). But one would have to rely on user surveys...which is never as accurate as hard sales numbers.
 
Evangelion said:
Who runs 20-25 apps at once? Seriously?
I believe he was exaggerating, but seriously... As a graphic artist/web dude, I oftentimes have open Illustrator, Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver, Classic for Streamline, Mail, iTunes, Word and finally DVD to watch a movie while I work. Do that in Windows. Those are some very BIG GUN programs, yet Apple can handle it.
 
Games benchmarks?

Hi,

I'm just asking myself if some has already tested new games (such as FIFA 2006 or Tomb Raider Legend). Are these games running well, or are the video cards driver not supported ? Has someone a link to provide a detailed benchmark concerning recent video games?
Thx a lot !
 
mig said:
Do I understand the benchmark right, that windows is generally faster on a mac than the OS?

Isn't that terrible news for our beloved OS?

I bought my iMac 20" Core Duo 512MB a week ago. comparing it to my old Asus based desktop with windows, 1.8Ghz P4, 512MB, it feels painfully slow. opening Pages takes well over six seconds. opening dashboard is very slow (and at first, the effect is "jammed", until appearing on screen for the first time). I gave up using safari because like every other Apple product, it sucks for international and right-to-left users. Camino is pretty good as alternative. Importing a short DV clip to iMovie HD was a disater in time (over 5 minutes). What's there to import? what takes it so long? I won't even start talking about using iMovie HD, it is close to impossible as a movie editor. I am currently writing those words from the old P4, and it's still VERY snappy, years after I bought it. It is filled with tons of apps, too. include anti virus.

I hope those issues will get better soon, otherwise I'd very kinda disappointed with my purchase... iMac is mobile technology sold as a desktop computer. Maybe I should have gone for the Macbook Pro, that way i would have been less disappointed...

Oded S.
 
Expensive Macs

Now that a user can actually get TWO COMPUTERS in one (+ a nominal WinOS charge), I think people will have no problem buying an "expensive" mac. Personally, I want the 20" iMac.

I think $1,699 for a 20-inch Monitor, 2GHz computer with Dual Core chip that has the most sophisticated OS in the world AND does Windows is certainly worth the extra money.

There will certainly be those with a lot of time on their hands that will be posting calculations of what a person would spend whol had to buy both a PC and a Mac with the same/similar specs. I think we'll be amazed.

Tack on the fact that August will probably see most Windows OSs/Linux OSs all in a thin layer under Leopard and that will boost PRICE right out of reasoning.

Apple will suddenly becoming the BARGAIN COMPUTER, no matter if you're buying a Mini or the top of the line.
 
g.x said:
Hmmm...how to calculate marketshare now? I guess there must be 4 categories (Win only, OS X only, dual boot, other). But one would have to rely on user surveys...which is never as accurate as hard sales numbers.

Either way I think Windows has a growth here, especially if Mac users purchase Windows more than switchers buy an Intel Mac to dual boot. I'm just surprised at all the excitement to dual boot and turn a Mac into that what was once everyone's punching bag...A Wintel. I can understand Virtualization because you are still having OS X as your primary OS, however this Windows love is very hypocritical by many. Especially the ones that trashed the OS and praised OS X and now we hear...But I can't game on a mac...Or I need this app. Well then if that's the case then why did you get a Mac. Was it just for the looks? It should've been for OS X, its ease of use, iLife apps, innovation, and more stability. Unfortunately, this is a Windows world and no matter how much was tried...Can't get away from it because there's always some method of getting one to stay on. By the way, I know the ins and outs of both systems, but prefer OS X.
 
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