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I think they are hypocrites when they get into these things. They pimp what they can to make money and get people to talk about how progressive, etc they are, but when it comes to standing up to China on literally anything.....crickets.
I'm of the mind that China's problems are for the Chinese people (with input from the international community) to solve, not Apple.

And go look on the China version of the Apple online store and pull up the new woven pride watch band and run the text of the Overview section through Google Translate.

Here is the US version:
Weaving together the colors of the Pride flag, the Pride Edition Braided Solo Loop band features a unique, stretchable design that’s ultracomfortable and easy to slip on and off your wrist. Created by weaving 16,000 recycled polyester yarn filaments around ultrathin silicone threads using advanced precision-braiding machinery, then laser cutting the band to an exact length for a custom fit. The band offers a soft, textured feel and is both sweat and water resistant.

Apple is proud to support LGBTQ advocacy organizations working to bring about positive change, including Encircle, Equality North Carolina, Gender Spectrum, GLSEN, the Human Rights Campaign, PFLAG National, the National Center for Transgender Equality, SMYAL, and The Trevor Project in the U.S., and ILGA World internationally.

Here is the China version:
The rainbow version of the woven single-lap watch has a colorful color scheme and a unique elastic design. It is very comfortable to wear and can be easily removed from the wrist or put on again. The strap is made of 16000 recycled polyester yarn filaments wrapped with ultra-fine silicone filaments, which are interlaced with an advanced precision braiding machine, and then laser cut to obtain a precise length, achieving a tailor-made fit. The strap is soft and rich in texture, and has anti-perspiration and water-resistant properties.
Again, not for Apple to provide an opinion on this when they're a company whose only goal is to make money by selling something.

Everything they do to highlight causes and "take stands" is all a part of their marketing strategy. I lean more toward the direction of wishing they would just focus on making the computers better and let people that advocate for these causes take the lead on doing the things they see will make the world better, but corporate virtue signaling seems to be here to stay.
Apple as a company has to pick the battles they can win, in order to ensure it doesn't impact their bottom line (significantly). So if they can put in an effort to address things that need addressing, why shouldn't they?

Or are you saying that they should stop because they're hypocrites?

The way I see it, both Apple and the target community both benefit, hypocritical or not.

I wish more companies would put in the effort to add "marketing gold stars" to their portfolio that end up providing some kind of altruistic benefit like Apple does.
 
Rainbow capitalism and pinkwashing are garbage, using homonationalism as a cudgel against China is garbage, greek statue avatar guy who wants me dead is hypergarbage, in conclusion I'm gay and tired
 
We need more representation from the Lust, Sloth, Gluttony, Greed, Wrath, and Envy communities.
I love to read very funny posts from normal guys who make posts on the computer forum about how "France is being conquered by Islam". It's generally a good time imo.
 
“ focuses on equality, resilience and community “
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Good grief. Can someone at apple focus on getting Siri to work at least half the time? I buy the products as tools for work, not as symbols of any participation in the agenda du jour.

This is woke marketing mumbo jumbo, entirely. It does absolutely nothing to improve anything anywhere for anybody. Apple proves it as they change their theme at the CCP’s demand. It seems the only people this pablum appeals to are the folks who need some super-outward sign of demonstrating the virtue they’d like everyone else to think they possess, rather than living ethically and empathetically without having to rend their proverbial garments.

Still, this did remind me of an old article from the Onion, back when they were still marginally funny and had *slightly* less of an agenda; I was surprised the website is still functioning, I’m even more surprised that they didn’t edit/delete this piece from their past, as is the trend of other similarly balanced publications these days.

 
Very difficult to state a message of strong disapproval against this stance by Apple and against the ‘Pride’ movement in general without having my post removed so I’m being very careful with my words here.
Being careful with words is an indispensable attribute in a peaceful society. Hence the phrase: "Them's fighting words".

Not everyone is able to respond to this thread due to the limitation but it should be known that the decision of Apple to support this movement in this way is a continued stain and disappointment to a large subset of Apples customers.
Two things:

1. Your response is still here.
2. I can accept that many conservatives (I'm assuming you are one) cannot accept Apple's position on this. However, I don't understand how said conservatives are still Apple customers, given Apple has taken this position for decades. Apple is not afraid to lose you as a customer.

I remain strongly against 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ And against Apples decision to support them in this way. These views are my own.
The above statement is fascistic in nature.

I'm curious who's philosophy (or misinterpretation thereof), combined with your own personal experiences, led you to become someone that hates their neighbor just for this.

And to me, anyone that hates their neighbor (for anything other than physical/emotional harm) is an enemy of a peaceful society and should lose that society's support.
 
I’ve always said let people live the way they want as long as it’s legal and isn’t hurting anyone lol. And also don’t be a jerk just because their lifestyle is different than your own.
That is the crux of the issue.

I don't have a problem with conservatives or conservatism in general.

I have a BIG problem when they try to FORCE IT onto everyone else.

The CHOICE to serve one God, many gods, or no god is MINE, and MINE ALONE.

Anyone who tries to take this right from me is in for a very big fight.
 
I've been bending over for years for Apple. What does that make me or you? It's just marketing. And you are buying the **** out of it!:apple::)

How is this “just“ marketing? They focus on content: music and playlists by LGBTQ performers, interviews, pride talk, focus on music history that changed people’s lives and society, …. What more do you expect? A 20% discount if you can prove you’re gay?

Also, Apple has been a strong supporter of sexual equality for many years, even when Steve Jobs was CEO. And they supported the legalisation of gay marriage in a very active way. So, it’s not just marketing.

In a country that’s run like a business, you shouldn’t be surprised businesses are involved in politics.
 
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People should live the way they want to live, fair enough - so long as they aren’t hurting anybody, however I do think it’s not quite right that Tim Cook is allowed to shoehorn a personal agenda into the products and services apple have to offer.
Pride band after pride band after pride band gets released for Apple Watch but no other cause gets such a focus or attention.
Apple Music radio plays gay anthems all weekend when all I wanted was some background audio to play throughout a BBQ without having to think about DJing myself.
It’s getting a little bit too much. I get it’s important to Cook for personal reasons but Apple isn’t a gay activism organisation… or is it?!
 
Shame on you and your outdated views.
You know it’s entirely possible to have someone not buy into and support the entire LGBT counter culture yet still treat gay people with respect as fellow human beings.
There’s nothing outdated about heterosexuality and the natural order of things. I mean that with no offence. We are all a product of it one way or another.
 
How is this “just“ marketing? They focus on content: music and playlists by LGBTQ performers, interviews, pride talk, focus on music history that changed people’s lives and society, …. What more do you expect? 20% discount if you can prove you’re gay?

Also, Apple has been a strong opponent for sexual equality for many years, even when Steve Jobs was CEO. And they supported the legalisation of gay marriage in a very active way. So, it’s not just marketing.

In a country that’s run like a business, you shouldn’t be surprised businesses are involved in politics.
I'm a fruitcake. You're a purple marshmallow. Together we make ambrosia. But I call it marketing. And Apple shouldn't be involved in politics.
 
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How far have we fallen... The major holiday of the west is now the celebration of queerness, transgenderism and homosexuality. An entire month is now dedicated to that and we are supposed to celebrate. I strongly advocate the freedom to choose one's lifestyle (including being gay!) I also think it is crucial to uphold the values of individual freedoms for all. Therefore I cherish freedom to live and speak according to one's conscience and this includes those who consider themselves moral conservatives. If I can speak freely and honestly, my conscience tells me that we should be ashamed that this is where our civilization came to - being prideful and self righteous about it is simply misguided.

If Apple wants to focus on being justice warrior they should stand for persecuted religious minorities, women's rights in second and third world countries, fight against sex trafficing, child abuse, etc. And yes, they should raise their voices for basic gay rights in the muslim world. Gays are being hanged regularly because of their sexual orientation in islamic countries but standing up to that is controversial and hurts business. Much easier and nicer to sell rainbow themed Apple Watch bands in the US and EU markets or to say that if you subscribe to Apple Music and listen to queer songs you now are now a better person (in contrast take a look at the website of Apple Saudi Arabia, Indonesia etc, I bet you'll have hard time finding pride watch bands there...). Standing up for US LGBTQ+ rights is so obviously about money - it became the cheapest, safest and most overused and superficial form of virtue signaling.
 
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How far have we fallen... The major holiday of the west is now the celebration of queerness, transgenderism and homosexuality. An entire month is now dedicated to that and we are supposed to celebrate...If I can speak freely and honestly, my conscience tells me that we should be ashamed that this is where our civilization came to - being prideful and self righteous about it is simply misguided.
While I don’t agree with the entirety of your post, it is a great evaluation of the current situation.

Adding my own 2 cents regarding the concept of Pride. Throughout history, excessive pride (even when justified) has been considered a sin and at the least very distasteful. Even those with the most noble characteristics and accomplishments (great warriors, kings, intellectuals) were taught to remain humble in their approach and never be consumed with their own self-importance. The LGBT movement not only throws this piece of wisdom out the window, it actively encourages the masses to take on a sense of inflated Pride over a sexual proclivity, over deprave behaviour, over sin (missing the mark).

If Apple wants to focus on being justice warrior they should stand for persecuted religious minorities, women's rights in second and third world countries, fight against sex trafficing, child abuse, etc... (in contrast take a look at the website of Apple Saudi Arabia, Indonesia etc, I bet you'll have hard time finding pride watch bands there...). Standing up for US LGBTQ+ rights is so obviously about money - it became the cheapest, safest and most overused and superficial form of virtue signaling.
Again spot on. But the cognitive dissonance that exists in the minds of the supporters of this movement does not falter. Not only are they unaware they are caught up in an artificially driven cultural meme, they remain blind to those who are profiting from it and fail to see how un-organic it's growth is.

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Rainbow Capitalism is pandering, pure and simple. But it may provide minor benefits if it leads to serious discussions and changes. In my opinion. Yours may differ.
 
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I do think it’s not quite right that Tim Cook is allowed to shoehorn a personal agenda into the products and services apple have to offer.
I don't think it's fair to call this Tim Cook's personal agenda. While he did eventually come out as gay a few years back, he did so mostly reluctantly after seemingly realizing that he needed to provide more of an example. However, he remains one of the quietest and meekest LGBTQ celebrities on the planet.

On the other hand, I'm quite certain that there are many many many LGBTQ people working at Apple who much more strongly support this "agenda" on behalf of Apple.

If Tim Cook has an agenda, it's promoting inclusion and diversity in general. Tim Cook isn't Black, yet Apple is one of the top corporate supporters of Black History month, and its also putting its money where its mouth is in that area too.

It's not "pandering" for a company to try to embrace the diversity of its customer base as much as possible, and with well over a billion customers across areas that include lifestyle and entertainment, Apple probably has one of the most diverse customer bases in the world. If anything, I agree with the other sentiments in this thread that it should be striving to do even more to show support for other marginalized groups, but getting on board with the most public celebrations of diversity is easy low-hanging fruit, and it's easier and more fun to celebrate positive change rather than tilting at windmills in markets like China.
 
As much as we can (and should) quibble about what Apple is doing in China, it's also important to keep in mind that as a U.S. company it does of course take a U.S.-centric approach to issues. While Pride is more of a global issue, it's still most celebrated in the U.S. and Canada, but systemic racism against Blacks is predominantly a U.S. problem.

Of course, racism exists everywhere, but in many other countries, it's totally different groups that are impacted by it, yet we don't see Apple doing or saying much about those. For example, of all of the big tech companies out there, Twitter has been the only one to recognize Indigenous History Month in Canada, no doubt prompted by the recent shocking discovery of the bodies of 215 Indigenous children who died at the hands of the extremely abusive residential school system. In Canada, our systemic racism problem affected our indigenous peoples far more than anybody else, and it saddened me when the events of last year spurred many in these parts to rally against a specific issue that isn't nearly as serious on this side of the border while ignoring the very real problems that do exist up here.

That said, I don't expect Apple to focus on the various issues of racism and discrimination everywhere in the world. They're a U.S. company, so they're going to focus on the problems that affect their core customer and employee base, and I'd rather applaud them for what they are doing than criticize them for what they're not, since we have to remember that they're under no obligation to do anything at all. When's the last time we saw Google, Amazon, Facebook, or Microsoft doing anything even close to what Apple does?
 
As much as we can (and should) quibble about what Apple is doing in China, it's also important to keep in mind that as a U.S. company it does of course take a U.S.-centric approach to issues. While Pride is more of a global issue, it's still most celebrated in the U.S. and Canada, but systemic racism against Blacks is predominantly a U.S. problem.

Of course, racism exists everywhere, but in many other countries, it's totally different groups that are impacted by it, yet we don't see Apple doing or saying much about those. For example, of all of the big tech companies out there, Twitter has been the only one to recognize Indigenous History Month in Canada, no doubt prompted by the recent shocking discovery of the bodies of 215 Indigenous children who died at the hands of the extremely abusive residential school system. In Canada, our systemic racism problem affected our indigenous peoples far more than anybody else, and it saddened me when the events of last year spurred many in these parts to rally against a specific issue that isn't nearly as serious on this side of the border while ignoring the very real problems that do exist up here.

That said, I don't expect Apple to focus on the various issues of racism and discrimination everywhere in the world. They're a U.S. company, so they're going to focus on the problems that affect their core customer and employee base, and I'd rather applaud them for what they are doing than criticize them for what they're not, since we have to remember that they're under no obligation to do anything at all. When's the last time we saw Google, Amazon, Facebook, or Microsoft doing anything even close to what Apple does?
When you say the US is their core customer base, does accurate and reliable data exist to support this? I agree with you that they have a huge number of sales in the US but let's not discount the rest of the world. As Apple likes go obscure key data such as phone sales by unit, is there a source which breaks down their sales and or revenue by country?
 
When you say the US is their core customer base, does accurate and reliable data exist to support this? I agree with you that they have a huge number of sales in the US but let's not discount the rest of the world. As Apple likes go obscure key data such as phone sales by unit, is there a source which breaks down their sales and or revenue by country?
Yup, Apple does mention regional numbers during its quarterly earnings calls, although sometimes it glosses over the specifics. However, it does break them down in its quarterly SEC filings. Specifically, its latest 10-Q shows that just under 40% of its quarterly revenue came the "Americas" region, and while that obviously includes Canada, Mexico, and all of South America, it's far to say the lion's share of that is coming from the U.S.

Unlike unit sales, it's also trivial for analysts to do the math when it comes to figuring out regional sales numbers, since there's lots of third-party data available to reflect how many Apple products are being sold in various countries. Statista has some interesting charts that show this breakdown over the years.

Also keep in mind that over half of all of the Apple Stores in the world are located in the U.S. (270 out of 511), which not only drives a much higher level of product sales but also means that over half of Apple's 70,000 retail employees are also located in the U.S.

In fact, among "the Americas" the proportion of Apple Stores is even more skewed in favour of the U.S.; Canada has 28 (in 4th place behind China and the U.K.) while Mexico and Brazil only have two each. While people can obviously buy Apple products through many other retail channels, the presence of Apple Stores are a good indicator of Apple's product sales in each region, since it makes no sense to keep stores open if they're not demonstrably resulting in product sales in some form. While Apple isn't as concerned as many retailers about direct in-store sales, it does consider the "halo effect" of its stores in generating sales in the geographic areas where the stores are located.
 
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Being careful with words is an indispensable attribute in a peaceful society. Hence the phrase: "Them's fighting words".


Two things:

1. Your response is still here.
2. I can accept that many conservatives (I'm assuming you are one) cannot accept Apple's position on this. However, I don't understand how said conservatives are still Apple customers, given Apple has taken this position for decades. Apple is not afraid to lose you as a customer.


The above statement is fascistic in nature.

I'm curious who's philosophy (or misinterpretation thereof), combined with your own personal experiences, led you to become someone that hates their neighbor just for this.

And to me, anyone that hates their neighbor (for anything other than physical/emotional harm) is an enemy of a peaceful society and should lose that society's support.
Apple most certainly does not want to lose it’s conservative customers. Let’s be realistic, there are many more conservatives out there purchasing Apple products than there are people worried about 🌈 watch bands.

So why don’t conservatives leave Apple and go elsewhere? You ever to stop and think that maybe they don’t care as much about stuff like 🌈 watchbands as you think they do? Or that politicians and the media tell you they do?

All conservatives I know don’t give a rat’s rear end on who’s sleeping with who. Conservative’s aren’t the ones with checkboxes saying “you fit in to this grouping.” The conservatives I know will tell you this is who they are, what they appreciate, and say “whatever” when you try to label them. I have never known a conservative to not sit down and have a civilized drink with someone. I’ve known many ”progressives“ who are unbearable in that same situation.

You start going down this path and you can’t help but ask, where’s the band for aborted babies? How about a memorial band for soldiers that were killed during battle? How about a band for those that died during the civil war? How about a band for holocaust survivors? I’d like a band for Uighurs. It becomes an endless cycle. Worse all it is is a bunch of pandering for your 🌈 💰.

Spend some time on YouTube. The LGBT community is finally starting to figure this out. While I don’t expect to ever hear a “Hey you were right.” It’s good to see people finally catching on to what’s really going on.
 
You know it’s entirely possible to have someone not buy into and support the entire LGBT counter culture yet still treat gay people with respect as fellow human beings.
There’s nothing outdated about heterosexuality and the natural order of things. I mean that with no offence. We are all a product of it one way or another.
I would argue that homosexuality, like heterosexuality is also part of the "natural order of things". It isn't a counter-culture for those who are gay - it's who they are, it is their natural order.
 
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