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Apple Music + iTunes Match [MERGED]

Blujelly

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Hi All,

just a quick few questions.

I've tried looking around but haven't gotten anywhere the little heart that is there from the playlist that Apple Music generates or single tracks you find what does it do? I assume the track you like you click the heart and it will generate more music from this artist and bands alike?

Also iTunes match generates your iTunes library and makes it available to stream via your data or wifi, have i read this right and am in right in saying that if after the 3 month free period i decide to pay for Apple Music that this effectively then turns into iTunes match and still uploads my iTunes library for me to listen and then have the whole streaming service from Apple music as well?

Thanks in advance.
 

RobNYC

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iTunes match is separate from the subscription service. It will still upload tracks or match them even you're also paying for the monthly apple music subscription.
 

cmChimera

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Apple Music does everything iTunes Match does + the streaming service. You do not need to pay for both.
 

ajiuo

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Apple Music does everything iTunes Match does + the streaming service. You do not need to pay for both.

Not true. iTunes Match can store music not even available on iTunes. Also not everything on iTunes is part of the Apple music service.
 

mpayne2k

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Apple Music does everything iTunes Match does + the streaming service. You do not need to pay for both.

This is incorrect. Apple Music does not allow syncing matched items to iPods. iTunes Match, will take your mp3s and convert them into an iTunes Plus 256kbps cloud version which can sync to iPods.
 

Blujelly

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oh ok i thought that i read somewhere that apple music will upload all you're iTunes track so you can basically stream your own library plus the Apple Music library under one cost.

Also was i right on the heart icon do you know? Or have any links to the complete overhaul of Apple Music?
 

cmChimera

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This is incorrect. Apple Music does not allow syncing matched items to iPods. iTunes Match, will take your mp3s and convert them into an iTunes Plus 256kbps cloud version which can sync to iPods.

oh ok i thought that i read somewhere that apple music will upload all you're iTunes track so you can basically stream your own library plus the Apple Music library under one cost.

Also was i right on the heart icon do you know? Or have any links to the complete overhaul of Apple Music?

Ok there are some caveats to what I said: http://mashable.com/2015/06/09/apple-music-itunes-match-explained/


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f you've already had iTunes Match, then all your music will be playable on all devices regardless if it's on Apple Music or not. The problem would be later if you add music that is not available on Apple Music and you want to play it on all devices via streaming, then you would need iTunes Match for that I believe.
 

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Actually... I think iTunes Match is included in Apple Music. I haven't been subscribed to Match in over a year, but now that I have subscribed to Apple Music, the current version of iTunes (12.1.2), it shows "iTunes Match is On" when I go to try edit what is synced to my phone.
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Phil A.

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Not true. iTunes Match can store music not even available on iTunes. Also not everything on iTunes is part of the Apple music service.

So does apple music - see here: http://www.apple.com/music/membership/

How does Apple Music know what songs are in my personal library?

With an Apple Music membership, your entire library lives in iCloud. We compare every track in your collection to the Apple Music library to see if we have a copy. If we do, you can automatically listen to it straight from the cloud. If you have music that’s not in our catalog, we upload those songs from iTunes on your Mac or PC. It’s all in iCloud, so it won’t take up any space on your devices.
 

Blujelly

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If you've already had iTunes Match, then all your music will be playable on all devices regardless if it's on Apple Music or not. The problem would be later if you add music that is not available on Apple Music and you want to play it on all devices via streaming, then you would need iTunes Match for that I believe.

i think i understand where your coming from. So basically if i was to cancel my iTunes match now and carry out with Apple Music for the foreseeable future, lets just say all of my music was on Apple Music i could stream it across all devices?

But like you said if i then downloaded for another example ACDC the greatest hits and lets say it wasn't on Apple music i could listen to it on any device AS LONG as i download them on the devices?

But if i carry on with both iTunes Match and Apple music then regardless if the music isn't on Apple Music and i've downloaded it i can then stream across all devices.

Sound about right?
 

cmChimera

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Actually... I think iTunes Match is included in Apple Music. I haven't been subscribed to Match in over a year, but now that I have subscribed to Apple Music, the current version of iTunes (12.1.2), it shows "iTunes Match is On" when I go to try edit what is synced to my phone. View attachment 565225


Brilliant. Canceling iTunes Match.

i think i understand where your coming from. So basically if i was to cancel my iTunes match now and carry out with Apple Music for the foreseeable future, lets just say all of my music was on Apple Music i could stream it across all devices?

But like you said if i then downloaded for another example ACDC the greatest hits and lets say it wasn't on Apple music i could listen to it on any device AS LONG as i download them on the devices?

But if i carry on with both iTunes Match and Apple music then regardless if the music isn't on Apple Music and i've downloaded it i can then stream across all devices.

Sound about right?

That's what I meant, but it seems that others have found that not to be the case, and that iTunes Match is fully included in Apple Music.
 
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mpayne2k

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i think i understand where your coming from. So basically if i was to cancel my iTunes match now and carry out with Apple Music for the foreseeable future, lets just say all of my music was on Apple Music i could stream it across all devices?

But like you said if i then downloaded for another example ACDC the greatest hits and lets say it wasn't on Apple music i could listen to it on any device AS LONG as i download them on the devices?

But if i carry on with both iTunes Match and Apple music then regardless if the music isn't on Apple Music and i've downloaded it i can then stream across all devices.

Sound about right?

If you cancel iTunes Match, just keeping Apple Music. Any album you add to your iTunes collection will not sync to non-iOS devices. This to me is something to consider. If you only use your iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch and other devices that can stream like iTunes and Apple TV, then yes, all you need is Apple Music.

If, however, in my case, you want to add music to your collection for physical syncing to an iPod (shuffle, nano, classic, etc) then iTunes Match is worth keeping because you can upload your own mp3s in pretty much any quality, then match the music across all your devices and sync the matched/downloaded files to a non-iOS iPod.
 

cmChimera

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If you cancel iTunes Match, just keeping Apple Music. Any album you add to your iTunes collection will not sync to non-iOS devices. This to me is something to consider. If you only use your iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch and other devices that can stream like iTunes and Apple TV, then yes, all you need is Apple Music.

If, however, in my case, you want to add music to your collection for physical syncing to an iPod (shuffle, nano, classic, etc) then iTunes Match is worth keeping because you can upload your own mp3s in pretty much any quality, then match the music across all your devices and sync the matched/downloaded files to a non-iOS iPod.

Others are posting that iTunes Match is fully integrated within Apple Music, which would make syncing songs to iPod still possible.
 

Blujelly

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Brilliant. Canceling iTunes Match.



That's what I meant, but it seems that others have found that not to be the case, and that iTunes Match is fully included in Apple Music.


right ok so i guess its a case of i could cancel my iTunes match and just use Apple Music, but there is a chance that after time music i may like, may get taken off Apple Music for what ever reason, then resulting into me have to actually upload the music to that certain device.
 

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If you cancel iTunes Match, just keeping Apple Music. Any album you add to your iTunes collection will not sync to non-iOS devices. This to me is something to consider. If you only use your iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch and other devices that can stream like iTunes and Apple TV, then yes, all you need is Apple Music.

If, however, in my case, you want to add music to your collection for physical syncing to an iPod (shuffle, nano, classic, etc) then iTunes Match is worth keeping because you can upload your own mp3s in pretty much any quality, then match the music across all your devices and sync the matched/downloaded files to a non-iOS iPod.

My understanding after reading Apple's site is that you will be able to do exactly that with an Apple music subscription only. I guess once the iTunes update is available we'll be able to find out for sure :)
 

mpayne2k

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Others are posting that iTunes Match is fully integrated within Apple Music, which would make syncing songs to iPod still possible.

10-4, today is hella confusing. I guess I'm looking at the perspective of someone wanting either/or, vs keeping both. Apple hasn't come out and clarified exactly why anyone should keep both services right now.
 

mpayne2k

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My understanding after reading Apple's site is that you will be able to do exactly that with an Apple music subscription only. I guess once the iTunes update is available we'll be able to find out for sure :)

Are you referring to the ability for offline syncing to iPods? Because Apple has been very up front in saying that Apple Music will not sync to non-iOS iPods!?

Or maybe you're saying cancelling iTunes Match and just keeping Apple Music won't stop the ability to add your own collection to the cloud and still sync your mp3s to an iPod?
 

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Well... here is another oddity... in iOS 8.4, when subscribed to Apple Music, and have the ability to access your music library, if you go to Settings>Music The option to subscribe to iTunes Match is still there for $24.99.

I think I need to see how iTunes 12.2 behaves with an Apple Music subscribed iPhone.
 

Blujelly

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so to round-up iTunes match is good for if you want all your music regardless if its on Apple Music or not to uploaded to your iCloud and then streamed across all iOS devices.

Apple music to just stream all the music they have available

and both for if you really want to make sure you have a wide access to all music of your own and Apple Music

sound about right?
 

Rigby

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Brilliant. Canceling iTunes Match.

That's what I meant, but it seems that others have found that not to be the case, and that iTunes Match is fully included in Apple Music.
I think it is still an open question whether Apple Music will allow you to download DRM-free copies of music it has matched from your library (e.g. if you want to "upgrade" a low-bitrate MP3).
 

Phil A.

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Are you referring to the ability for offline syncing to iPods? Because Apple has been very up front in saying that Apple Music will not sync to non-iOS iPods!?

Or maybe you're saying cancelling iTunes Match and just keeping Apple Music won't stop the ability to add your own collection to the cloud and still sync your mp3s to an iPod?
No, what I'm saying is that music you own will be uploaded to the iCloud music library and tagged as owned by you so you can sync it to non iOS iPods (i.e. exactly what iTunes Match does now). What you won't be able to do is sync non-owned music to them.

There is definitely a difference in the iCloud music library between music that's been uploaded and music that's just been added - I can still play my previously purchased music from my iPhone to my Sonos devices using "my iPhone" as a source but if I try and do that with something I've just added from Apple Music I get an error that it is DRM protected and can't be played

As I said, I don't know for sure but we'll find out once iTunes is updated because you'll be able to download the songs and see if they're DRMd or not - if they're not then you can sync them to a non-iOS device :)
 

cmChimera

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I think it is still an open question whether Apple Music will allow you to download DRM-free copies of music it has matched from your library (e.g. if you want to "upgrade" a low-bitrate MP3).
Guess we'll all find out for sure in a few hours.
 

Dingo Dave 69

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Wondering what the need is for iTunes Match if you have apple music? Don't need all your music available because you can get it straight from apple music, what am I missing?
 

Blujelly

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sorry to add a spanner to the works, but i have requested a call back from Apple.

As you can see these are my current subscriptions from Apple, I do currently have an active iTunes Match which for some reason doesn't show there, it only shows Apple Music so i'll need to ask them what's it all about
 

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