No. It’s not. It’s their network. No one owes you the right to use it. This is working without you paying for WiFi. It is not a net neutrality issue in any shape or form.
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Apple Music Subscribers Can Stream Songs Without Buying Wi-Fi on American Airlines Flights in U.S. Starting Friday
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No. It’s not. It’s their network. No one owes you the right to use it. This is working without you paying for WiFi. It is not a net neutrality issue in any shape or form.
It does treat all data the same. Identically. American Airlines is not an ISP. This isn’t difficult.
Thank you for sharing your negative narrative with us. So why didn’t Spotify do this first and when will they follow Apple’s lead on this? And what does Spotify’s user base have to do with this arrangement? Why didn’t American Airlines make this deal with Spotify if it is, as you claim, so superior to Apple Music in both function and subscribers? Please enlighten us.
For me and my family this is a welcome service. I’m a big user of iCloud for my music library and have almost nothing downloaded to my iPhone 8. Last week I paid Southwest $8 for Internet access during a 3 hour flight to Phoenix. We usually fly either Southwest or American and this will definitely steer us toward American more often.
Data is data.... when the heck are people going to realize this.
Same applies for extra-fee tethering on some carriers.
The only way this would be a net neutrality issue is if you paid for WiFi and then they only let you use Apple Music. This is just saying if you have Apple Music, you can use our network for free. If not, you can pay for WiFi and use other services. Like if you’re a frequent flyer you can use the airport lounge if you have a club membership or credit card with access to it.
Well then, let ISP's create independent companies, who they license their network to (or simply license their network to third parties). You as a consumer can only buy contracts with these independent companies not with the ISP directly. The companies sell you internet for a fixed amount of 50 per month. Netflix is included, Amazon is another 50. No breach in net neutrality. Or is it.
That’s a completely different scenario. You’re not paying for access to their network first in this scenario.
You’re just gaslighting now because you’re wrong.
American Airlines isn’t an ISP and never will be one. This is not and never will be a Net Neutrality issue. Pushing this narrative doesn’t help the cause of those that want Net Neutrality back, because this confuses the matter in a very stupid way. You’re asking for free internet, when you boil it down to basics. You didn’t pay an ISP for this internet access, and you’re now mad that the person/entity that did won’t give you access to it for free. Do you give your WiFi password out to your neighbors to use at their own discretion?
Sorry, it is not. First, it never applied to situations where bandwidth was as constrained as on an airplane, just as it initially did not apply to mobile data. That is why American, Delta and United were never restricted from preventing customers from using video streaming services.
Second, Net Neutrality, is/was about your interaction as a customer with the ISP from whom you purchase/purchased service. You are not purchasing service from American (or via sat), Apple is. As such, Apple can restrict how you use the service it has purchased. This is the equivalent of purchasing a device with a dedicated machine to machine back channel. Net Neutrality does not require that you be able to run your generic internet traffic over the cellular modem from your alarm central station provider.
Finally, it is reactions like yours that make me happy that Title II regulation no longer applies. The idea that Apple (or anyone else) should not be able to bundle IP delivery with a service for which it pays (whether that is cash or just an in-kind marketing exchange) is exactly the kind of regulation that limits competition, not enhances it.
Does Apple Music not let you listen while offline?
I have all my playlists on Spotify set to download for offline listening... generally by the third time I'm listening to a track, I've determined I like it and want to add it to one of my playlists.
I have all my playlists on Spotify set to download for offline listening... generally by the third time I'm listening to a track, I've determined I like it and want to add it to one of my playlists.
Yes, you can download for offline listening. I’ve not done so without internet access for long enough to truly know how long you have before you need to phone-home on it to verify an active subscription... but it’s definitely there.
Which features does Spotify have that Apple Music doesn’t that really make a big difference?
None. Just your standard irrational fanboy war, like Sony vs Microsoft.
This has nothing to do with net neutrality whatsoever. That meme is fading fast now that the world didn't end, time to give it the funeral it deserves.
In the U.S., Apple Music has had more customers than Spotify since July of last year and, as its growth curve is quite a bit steeper than Spotify’s, it is increasing its lead. It is also ahead in Canada and Japan.
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None, although Apple Music is available in more countries and has a larger catalog. Despite those advantages, music streaming is pretty well a commoditized service/product, which means there is little to distinguish the product among competitors such that customers will choose largely on price, and to a certain extent on convenience. This is why Spotify is hemorrhaging money as they can't raise their prices, and why most of Spotify customers are using it for free with the ad supported tier. Their only hope is to be bought out, which is what the venture capitalists funding it have had as their plan all along.
You're about as wrong as wrong gets. That's like saying because I let people use my wi-fi that telling them they can't use it to download porn is a net neutrality issue. Or that a restaurant that plays music for their customers can't decide what music to play for those customers.
Net neutrality concerns the network layer, which is the layer that forms the backbone for internet communications.
"Provide internet service" has never been how that layer is defined even by the most ardent proponents of net neutrality.
You're free to dislike American and Apple Music, and opine that what they've done here sucks. But you can't recast your personal beliefs that as a net neutrality violation to shore up your credibility.
Interesting! I did not know that U.S is the only country that matters in the world
I am being hypocritical, but it isn't really worth trying to discuss net neutrality with folks as it is simply a rallying cry for folks in a tribal war, and you can't get people to accept even basic facts about it, starting with the what was repealed was the regulation of it by the FCC of a regulation that had only been in place a little over a year when it was withdrawn.
Data that you pay for is data. If you sign up for the WiFi, you can use any of the others to stream.
Data that is free, let's you use Apple Music.
Darn that lack of net neutrality and the...benefits that come from its absence.
Yeah, I understand that... it’s become this monolith of whatever-the-hell-you-want-it-to-be rather than something based in the facts of what it actually was and/or intends to be.
Doing that, though, tears away any real credibility it has - and quick. The argument against it is that “nothing changes”... which is also the strongest argument in favor of it, because if nothing changes because they’re all complying then it’s just there to keep them honest and make me sleep better at night, no?
In a discussion of a service that primarily deals with U.S. customers (in-flight WiFi on American Airlines), it seems to be a relevant statistic.
Interesting! I didn’t know that in discussing an article covering American Airlines, who primarily serves Americans domestically and internationally, that this wouldn’t be important data to note.
It’s also available in 59 more countries than Spotify is, so there’s that too.