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It still doesn’t sound very much for the artists!!!!
Say you have a hit song. A million people are playing it once a day. This lasts for about half a year. That’s nearly two million dollars. For one song. And those estimates for a hit song are probably low.

Being a musician is hardly a get rich quick scheme, but if you’re good enough to get a reasonable amount of play over time it sounds like you could do quite well for yourself.
 
It sucks artists are paid so little for their music and as a result need to rely on shows for income when they can't really play shows right now. A band I really enjoy has had to start a Patreon for support since the start of the pandemic :confused:
They should travel to places with less restrictions.
 
With these rates, Musicians are an endangered species. Music is an art on the verge of extinction...
Never. The threshold for making music is so low there will always be music. And lots of it. It will not always all be Beethoven but there are so many choices. Musicians can self publish on Apple Music and YouTube. Will musicians get rich. Not many but most musicians do it for a hobby and fun just like most basketball players do it for fun.
 
I don’t like music streaming anymore. I have started downloading music from iTunes again. I miss owning music.
I don’t like how I find a song I love and then one day is disappears from streaming and I can never get it back. If I owned it things might be different.
 
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This statement is meaningless. It doesn’t say how much Apple paid out in total per year and doesn’t say how much of that goes to the artist.
 
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do some math. If you bought an Album and played it only 30 times with an average of 15 songs, that is $4.50 directly to artist. In traditional CD sales "Artists can receive 10% – 15% of suggested album retail minus packaging costs." https://www.recordingconnection.com...epreneurs/how-do-record-labels-turn-a-profit/

So that is $1.50 on a $15 Album

Um.... It is $4.5 to Music Right Holder. Not Artist

ksec is correct. Comparing a signed artist that receives 10-15% royalties from a record label to a self-signed artist who owns the recordings is a fallacy. Also, most people only stream a few songs from the album - not the entire album.
 
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How come a person that works at Apple or Spotify from 9-5 job earns more than a song than streamed over 100 million times...?

We are seeing music becoming a casualty of tech ecosystems, where music streaming is increasingly being bundled with other content and services so that consumers don’t even associate music with a cost.

This leads to music being valued less. I don’t know how much tech blog writers are paid, but it’s clear that selling music direct to listeners is becoming less and less sustainable over time.
 
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Spotify is the dishonest failed monopoly that actively exploits and harms musicians, while Tidal is the other extreme being musician-owned and runs fake stats to defraud their investors so artists can hit the jackpot. Apple Music is a happy medium I'm happy to be subscribed to.
 
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I think that the true power of Apple Music and Spotify is that it allows users to find more music that otherwise they would not regularly purchase, which drives more money to artists in general.
I am sure that I am not the only one that randomly finds an interesting song (maybe heard it on tv etc.) by someone I don't even know, starts listening to it, then listens to more songs by the same artist and then just moves to similar artists for a while.
Seconding this. I look forward now to Fridays not only because it’s the weekend but because it’s when the “New Music Mix” AM playlist gets updated. It’s very hit or miss at times but for sure there’s ALWAYS a song or two that will snowball into new songs for the rest of the week or month... sometimes it hits home so greatly that about 80% of the playlist rocks on.
+1 for the discoverability that otherwise wouldn’t happen so easily before the streaming world arrived.
 
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Wow this is a terrible take lol. “I’m giving you an audience so just be grateful for the crumbs I throw your way.”

Sometimes I think we forget that musician is a job for some, and not everyone is a huge artist that this doesn’t affect. Especially now. Audience can mainly convert to money when they’re touring, and when you’re in the middle of a panorama...
More than that, Spotify would not exist with our their music.
 
Spotify is the dishonest failed monopoly that actively exploits and harms musicians, while Tidal is the other extreme being musician-owned and runs fake stats to defraud their investors so artists can hit the jackpot. Apple Music is a happy medium I'm happy to be subscribed to.
Didn’t Tital just sell out to Square?
 
Is it out of the realm of possibilities that worldwide, top songs are played 1,000,000 times a day? That's $10,000 per day @ 1 cent, $5,000 @ 1/2 cent. PER DAY. I don't feel too sad for artists.
Same people applauding family subscriptions for Apple music with like 5 ppl are moaning here artists aren't getting payed enough... Ie, artists should be payed more but they are not ready to do it themselves.

I listen to hundreds of different artists every month, wouldn't be able to that without streaming. On top of that I can purchase merch, support the ones needing it directly with Patreon or similar. Also the larger amount of artists i know about means I am way more likely to a concert/play if it happens to be my town.
 
Didn’t Tital just sell out to Square?

You've got to give Jay-Z credit, he's scammed Masayoshi Son (buy in through Sprint) and now Jack Dorsey. If you think about how much he bought and sold Tidal in total for he made out pretty well for himself...
 
To be fair to Spotify, Apple use these services to entice people to buy $1000 phones.
Ultimately Apple services can be seen as additional marketing spend to get people into iOS hardware.
I dont believe Spotify have ever made a profit have they?
A lot of Spotify's money is now being spent on wooing podcasters in the hope of actually streaming content that they dont have to pay the record companies so much money for. Lets see how that works out...
 
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To be fair to Spotify, Apple use these services to entice people to buy $1000 phones.
Ultimately Apple services can be seen as additional marketing spend to get people into iOS hardware.
I don't think that's true for Apple Music or TV+, given that they are available on non-Apple platforms.
I dont believe Spotify have ever made a profit have they?
They've been making profits since 2019. In this business it's a matter of scale.
 
look on the bright side, its more profitable than people going back to torrenting all human made music over torrent 😂
 
I don't think that's true for Apple Music or TV+, given that they are available on non-Apple platforms.

They've been making profits since 2019. In this business it's a matter of scale.

They made a couple of quarterly profit reports, I think one in 2018 and one and 2019, but I don’t think they’ve posted a profit for a whole year. So I think we can say they aren’t a profitable company. Especially now as they’ve spent a lot of money on deals with podcasters etc.

Apple Music and tv are available on other platforms but that feels more like more about giving Apple customers more options than a real push for their services. i doubt it makes up much of their market share or earning at the moment. I could be wrong.
 
Apple Music and tv are available on other platforms but that feels more like more about giving Apple customers more options than a real push for their services. i doubt it makes up much of their market share or earning at the moment. I could be wrong.
I think Apple is doing this because they have no chance of catching up to Spotify and video subscription services like Netflix if they are limited to Apple devices.
 
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