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lcs101

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Respectfully, you’ve been able to connect your iPhone via Bluetooth since Rivian released their first vehicles 👍🏻
I would hope so, given that has been a standard feature in cars now for years... But that is not at all the same as having access to the Apple Music app.
 

jwsf28

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I already said I don't need CarPlay...just access to an Apple Music app (without having to pay a subscription). So you're not talking about me here...
You’re running around in circles here… You said you don’t need CarPlay, you just want Apple Music (on the Rivian you don’t own), but it’s not included in the OS, and refuse to use Siri to control Apple Music, so you want CarPlay… but Rivian doesn’t have CarPlay, so…

Anyway, this interaction has run its course. Hope you have a good day, sir :)
 
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lcs101

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You’re running around in circles here… You said you don’t need CarPlay, you just want Apple Music (on the Rivian you don’t own), but it’s not included in the OS, and refuse to use Siri to control Apple Music, so you want CarPlay… but Rivian doesn’t have CarPlay, so…

Anyway, this interaction has run its course. Hope you have a good day, sir :)
I like how you end with misrepresenting my argument (and the news that started this entire thread). Clearly you are correct that the interaction has run its course...
 
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Plerf

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My next car purchase will be from a brand that makes great cars.

I won't subscribe to anything in the car, the car doesn't spy on me and isn't envious on my iPhone where I have all contacts, music, mobile internet, maps, etc.

What brand could that be?
In ten years the answer will be “no one”
 

Velli

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An LTE plan for your car is useful in other ways. I can check on my phone to make sure my windows are rolled up, or can see exactly where I parked the thing on a map (when Siri forgets to drop a pin for me).
Sure, but this can be done with very little data, at very low cost. I have this on my current car, at about 15 bucks a year.
 

tennisproha

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Wow $150 per month? Add a couple more hundred dollars to the monthly payment and you can buy an entirely different car! What a grift
 

Velli

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1. The main reason they’re offering this subscription option is because every Rivian has an LTE connection that the company is paying AT&T $15 every month for every customer’s truck. This optional subscription will help offset that cost for the company.
Nothing is wrong with the price of the subscription. But it's a subscription I don't need, so it doesn't really matter what the price is (outside of a few dollars for a low capacity connection for connected services)
2. Everyone whining about how Rivian doesn’t offer CarPlay… the Rivian interface is FAR superior to anything CarPlay offers, hands down. Not to mention the fact that CarPlay in 2024 looks like a child’s toy from 1992.
Subjective opinion, and the look of the interface is irrelevant if the service I am using is not supported.
3. You can use Apple Music in a Rivian via a Bluetooth connection.
Did you even read the article?

And seriously, you are touting the superior in-car experience of the car, then asking me to use bluetooth? Quit smoking, please.
 
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SpecialJ

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There's a lot of people that don't even own Rivian's getting worked up over nothing in this thread. $15 a month for an unlimited LTE data connection is a good deal. This isn't just for streaming services, but can be a WiFi hotspot in your car as well. My wife's Toyota Sienna has a hotspot and it costs $25 per month. Also, what people are missing is that you can still use Apple Music in your Rivian via Bluetooth, or you can even tether your Rivian to your phone's hotspot and use Apple Music on the car screen natively. Rivian is not forcing anyone to pay for a subscription, and the LTE data costs Rivian money, of course they need to charge for it. They've been paying for it themselves for early adopters up until now, but it was always eventually going to be something they charged for. I own an R1T, and I love CarPlay, but it's not something I really miss. I'd rather have the seamless interface to switch between all the Rivian data and control screens rather than to have to exit CarPlay every time I want to control the A/C or switch driving modes.
 
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Velli

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And I do t see why people are defending CarPlay as if it’s the end all be all when they don’t have any reference point as to the existing, way more superior, RivianOS. It’s like saying “I want a diaper because it’s more convenient than these boxer briefs.”
I, for one, don't think CarPlay is "the end all be all". Plenty of downsides. But, it's what I use, for several reasons. One of them being that I regularly drive three different cars of three different brands, only one of which is my own. Being able to just connect to Carplay and use everything the same way (more or less), is very convenient. This is just one argument, not THE argument.

But no, I haven't tried a Rivian. It's not really the style of car for me. But plenty of people are trying to convince me that Tesla's software is so good I won't miss Carplay - and after driving one, I simply disagree.
 
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Velli

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There's a lot of people that don't even own Rivian's getting worked up over nothing in this thread. $15 a month for an unlimited LTE data connection is a pretty good deal. This isn't just for streaming services, but can be a WiFi hotspot in your car as well. My wife's Toyota Sienna has a hotspot and it costs $25 per month. Also, what people are missing is that you can still use Apple Music in your Rivian via Bluetooth, or you can even tether your Rivian to your phone and use Apple Music on the car screen natively. Rivian is not forcing anyone to pay for a subscription, and the LTE data costs Rivian money, of course they need to charge for it.
Nothing wrong with the price for what you get, but you are getting something that you won't need if you have Carplay. And for the love of god, please stop recommending to use Bluetooth for in-car entertainment in 2024. I could also just ride my bike to work, but I'm not going to do that either.
 
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jwsf28

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I, for one, don't think CarPlay is "the end all be all". Plenty of downsides. But, it's what I use, for several reasons. One of them being that I regularly drive three different cars of three different brands, only one of which is my own. Being able to just connect to Carplay and use everything the same way (more or less), is very convenient. This is just one argument, not THE argument.

But no, I haven't tried a Rivian. It's not really the style of car for me. But plenty of people are trying to convince me that Tesla's software is so good I won't miss Carplay - and after driving one, I simply disagree.
Come back when you have an informed opinion.
 
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Velli

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Well, Rivian’s not adding CarPlay, so this conversation is fruitless. 🤷🏻‍♂️ But I’m sure that won’t stop all the people who don’t own a Rivian from complaining about things that don’t affect them.
It's part of a broader push to keep in-car entertainment proprietary, so even if we don't buy a Rivian, it is going to affect us if this catches on. It's just like complaining about BMW's subscription heated seats. If we don't complain just because we are driving an Audi or a Mercedes and not a BMW, guess who will follow their example.

Also, if you don't want to discuss things, why are you on a discussion forum?
 
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vjl323

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They're not mutually exclusive, you can tether the vehicle to your phone via wifi and use Apple Music without the need of any subscription on the Rivian side
But according to the article, the monthly subscription enables the WiFi hotspot in the vehicle. So without it, how can you tether your phone to the vehicle via WiFi? [honest question!]
 

jwsf28

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It's part of a broader push to keep in-car entertainment proprietary, so even if we don't buy a Rivian, it is going to affect us if this catches on. It's just like complaining about BMW's subscription heated seats. If we don't complain just because we are driving an Audi or a Mercedes and not a BMW, guess who will follow their example.

Also, if you don't want to discuss things, why are you on a discussion forum?
Oh I want to discuss things, yeah… but it’s unproductive to speak with people who have no experience on the very thing they’re discussing.

There’s a reason Rivian is rated number 1 in customer satisfaction. The driving experience, the range, the battery, and that includes the infotainment experience. People saying they wouldn’t buy a Rivian because it doesn’t have CarPlay or Apple Music sound… well, I have to be polite here so I’ll just say that they’re speaking from a place of no experience. The $15/mo is justified, I’ll just leave it at that. Not sure why so many little kids are getting their panties in a bunch about something they won’t be driving, anyway.
 
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