Apple must license iOS to 2ed party developers.

Discussion in 'iPad' started by PracticalMac, Jun 23, 2011.

  1. PracticalMac macrumors 68030


    Jan 22, 2009
    Houston, TX
    FOR SPECIAL PURPOSE DEVICES, not general consumer units

    For example:
    • Rugged, water proof devices
    • Embedded systems, such as hospital or industrial monitoring equipment
    • Car information/entertainment (Microsoft is doing it with Ford)
    • Military specialized devices.
    • Low cost minimal/stripped version for poor/developing country education.
    • other..?

    As long as Apple only focuses on consumer, the competition will outflank and conquer.
    Already there are a dozen Android developers, and they are turning out new devices at (seemingly via massive ad campaigns) breakneck speed, makes Apple look like it is a snail.
  2. Antaios macrumors regular

    Jun 18, 2007
    New York City
    ummm...did you see today's post?? The iPad has 89% of the world's tablet web usage and 97% of the U.S. tablet web usage...

    So, please explain, with facts how the competition is "outflanking and conquering" iOS...:apple:
  3. h00ligan macrumors 68030

    Apr 10, 2003
    A hot desert
    Must according to whom? In your opinion? The competition isn't even close yet, though that will change.
  4. RossMc macrumors 65816


    Apr 30, 2010
    Newcastle, UK
    Yeah then Doctors, Soldiers and people driving cars can play Angry Birds. Goodtimes!
  5. GabooN macrumors regular

    Mar 31, 2008
    Windsor, Ontario
    I understand what you are saying, but the iPad can already be used in these special circumstances using cases/enclosures and the dock connector can be used to add various tools for different applications. It seems to be doing just fine.

    Need a impact resistant enclosure? The current iPad can be put into one, no need to build the internal components into a different body.
  6. Yumunum macrumors 65816


    Apr 24, 2011

    Pretty much the only choice. And it's easy.
    Apple's not gonna license iOS to other developers/manufactures/hospitals/whatever.
  7. seajay96 macrumors 6502

    Jun 26, 2010
    That will never happen, it runs counter to Apple's core philosophy. They control the hardware and the software so they can provide the user experience that they want....Apple has never been about dominating any specific market at the cost of that core value. Licensing iOS to non-Apple developers would relinquish that control.

    And, really, you think Apple would want a "stripped-down version" anywhere on the market that doesn't perform at the same level as they are known for?

    Frankly, the markets that you are talking about are mere fractions of there current market share. And, as a stockholder, I prefer they continue to focus on building "limited" numbers of high quality products than to allow that reputation to diluted just to make a couple of niche market products.
  8. porcupine8 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 2, 2011
    You definitely sound like someone who understands Apple's corporate strategy. This sounds exactly like something they would do.
  9. Mac.World macrumors 68000


    Jan 9, 2011
    In front of uranus
    • Rugged, water proof devices - Done with case enclosure
    • Embedded systems, such as hospital or industrial monitoring equipment - Done already being used in hospitals, homes and health industry
    • Car information/entertainment (Microsoft is doing it with Ford) - Done. iDevices can plug into OBDII ports, are GPS devices, can play movies for the kids. What more do you want?
    • Military specialized devices. - Done big time. Navy, Marines and Army using iPhones and iPads for various specialized purposes in aviation and infantry.
    • Low cost minimal/stripped version for poor/developing country education. - You do realize Apple has been giving away and giving huge discounts on computers since the 80's for educational purposes, plus every year they have the student discount deal. But for the poorest of countries; remember the $100 cheapo laptop that was going to be Windows based and go to every kid in the dirt poor areas of the world. Yeah, that didn't work out, yet you think Apple can make a computer or iLaptop that will meet their hgih specs and still sell for $100 or less. Not gonna happen.
    • other..?
  10. nwcs macrumors 68000


    Sep 21, 2009
    Actually I agree. My company produces software for hospitals and a significant part of hospitals (ER, Admitting, Patient Registration) are wary of any mobile device because of ruggedness (the device must be able to handle bleach and other chemical cleaning), theft (things disappear often in hospitals), and abuse.

    Ruggedized android tablets are coming out now and some that can be bolted to carts. Those will end up being adopted most likely. iPads are being used in hospitals right now where those are not issues (Doctors primarily, face to face encounters). But if Apple produced, or allowed to produce, robust and rugged designs of the iPad they will maintain domination.

    Having an enclosure like an otter box just won't cut it in the end.
  11. hcho3 macrumors 68030

    May 13, 2010

    License iOS to 2nd party?

    Just like apple will not allow flash on their devices.
  12. vvswarup, Jun 24, 2011
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    vvswarup macrumors 6502a

    Jul 21, 2010
    For example:
    Why not use a case meant for just that.
    Why not make a peripheral device.

    Why not build an iPad fixture?

    Again, why can't they build a peripheral device or make a case?

    In other words, give them junk.

    You do know right that Apple has so far sold 20 million since it was released in 2010. It hit the 1 million mark in 3 months. Name an Android device that has done that.

    It's a known fact that iPads and other iOS devices can't be everything to everyone. Apple knows this better than anyone else, so I doubt they'll even try.
  13. xraytech macrumors 68030

    Mar 24, 2010

    It's pile on the OP.

    Please continue XD
  14. Piggie macrumors G3


    Feb 23, 2010
    On the military devices. I would not think they would ever have anything as fragile as an iPad actually on the field. they would need something build much more substantial, Can't be out in the field and say, oh hand on it's overheated.
    Like the way your car and it's electronics work in anything from way below freezing to standing in blazing hot sun all day.
    Cheap home electronic devices are not suitable for real tasks like this.
  15. PracticalMac, Jun 24, 2011
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 28, 2011

    PracticalMac thread starter macrumors 68030


    Jan 22, 2009
    Houston, TX
    In the said article, it said (example)"In Singapore, where non-computer devices comprise nearly 6 percent of total traffic, the iPad accounts for 26.2 percent of this traffic."

    Basically, iPad accounts of less then 2% of all internet usage in Singapore

    Without certification for special uses, iPad's can be used.
    Their are dozens of situations that iPad's cannot be used unless they have been certified for that use.

    Even the best full enclosures do not protect from moderate G impacts, or water spray, or low flash point highly flammable fluids.

    Every electronic device used in the petrochemical industry require testing and certification for numerous hazards. Industrial rated computers start at $1200 for 1.6 Ghz Atom, 1GB RAM system, basically a very low end PC (and yes, they are slloooowww!). High end units start around $2000+.
    World wide their is a need for tens of thousands of rugged industrial monitoring and control systems, so while it is a nitch, it does represent tens of millions in profits.

    Due to "security" reasons, iOS devices cannot be used in Federal government agencies (yet?). My guess for that to happen Apple must let the NSA or whom ever the ability of modify or add to the code.

    IOW, putting an iPad in some care will not work in many situations.

    Funny you say that.

    iOS is a stripped down version of Mac OS X

    The iPad has Pages, Keynote, iMovie, Pages, etc, it does just about everything OS X does (one at a time)

    iPhone is a special version of iOS to handle cellular network (data and voice)

    iPod Touch is the simplest of them all.

    iPod Nano look very much like a very simple version of iOS.

    SO, it does look like Apple IS trying to make the basic OS X core do everything!
  16. Ungibbed, Jun 24, 2011
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    Ungibbed macrumors 6502


    Dec 13, 2010
    Actually the iPod nano does not use iOS at all. It is a original OS design for that iPod that mimmcks the look and feel, but shares nothing of the iOS aside from the built-in wallpaper and touch function. Apple did pull off some great "smoke & mirrors" for that little gadget.
  17. Night Spring, Jun 24, 2011
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    Night Spring macrumors G5

    Night Spring

    Jul 17, 2008
    Just because Apple makes several variations of iOS devices plus Mac OS X, that's a far cry from trying to make them do *everything*. We are talking at most a dozen devices, I think, even if you count all the variations of the Mac computer? Heck, Apple isn't even using Macs to power their own data center! So no, I don't agree that Apple is trying to make Macs and iOS be everything for everybody.
  18. Nightarchaon macrumors 65816


    Sep 1, 2010
    No, they really really dont, im sure if the US military went to apple and said "we want a special unit" apple would happily supply it, for a cost.

    No way Mr Jobs is going to let anyone else play with HIS toys
  19. innominato5090 macrumors 6502


    Sep 4, 2009
    I think the rugged electronic's market is well covered by rugged PCs. software that you might need in wet or muddy places exists for windows platform and I don't think it's a big enough market to justify an iPad port.
    i think the point of the iPad is its portability. it's the same reason why they have implemented wireless mirroring on iOS5 to apple TV and avoided launching an Apple TV market.
    Developers might eventually take advantage of airplays capabilities and create an embedded monitor that retrieve data from its sensors and communicate with the iPad.
    apple's control on its system is very tight. military platforms should be open enough to let military-custom software to be installed.
    cheapest hardware would kill the iOS experience. not likely
  20. Ungibbed macrumors 6502


    Dec 13, 2010
    Most computers used in the field are still running Windows NT or Win 2K. Others are proprietary code to the likes of the average consumer will never see. :eek:

    The US government doesn't much like change and slowly is adopting iOS devices in place of BlackBerry but it all won't happen overnight. It's security must be proven for DOD use (where the BlackBerry holds strong) and tablet or notebook PC's that can boot from a terminal server. A feature iOS currently lacks.
  21. NT1440 macrumors G4


    May 18, 2008
    Uh, they've been able to develop products which interface with the 30 pin connector for years now....

    Do you actually know anything about Apple and the products other companies have used? Ever hear of the Peel? How about the blood pressure monitor?
  22. shandyman Suspended

    Apr 24, 2010
    Dublin, Ireland
    This post is the perfect response and the OP seems to have ignored it cos it validly challenges his post and he can't disagree with it without facts...
  23. NT1440 macrumors G4


    May 18, 2008
    To busy complaining about low market Singapore. :rolleyes:
  24. PracticalMac thread starter macrumors 68030


    Jan 22, 2009
    Houston, TX
    30 pin connector does not make a product great,
    Its just something on a great product.

    Been using Apple (later PC DOS) since 1981.
    I am no expert but am no spring rooster.

    Because those answers are not ideal solutions.
    Since you are so interested, I will shoot them down.

    The irony is, the LAST thing you want in most muddy, dusty, wet situations is a big heavy rugged bulletproof PC.
    I know because our company has them, and for all their Schwarzeneggerness, they are a hindrance. Oh, their are certainly times you need a powerful laptop, but how often do building drafters do major design work on site? Usually its pictures and notes at location, or call the drafter at office.

    Example of rugged iPad:
    Japan's 2011 9.0 quake and devastating tsunami.
    Three times more iPad's can be carried to the disaster area then laptop (even more if use desktops), long battery life means they can be used more often, built in camera to take photo of survivors with simple information (name, age, address), built-in cell network (few laptops have that), light weight and size makes it very portable.

    I doubt an iPad would have lasted long in the rough conditions of the disaster zone.

    As to last issue, "cheapest hardware"
    iPad is made from milled and polished Aluminum and a fine polished glass surface. That is 3 to 5 times what a damage proof plastic enclosure costs.
    >Reduce tolerances of manufacturing (less reject parts because they do not fit)
    >Remove some of lesser used features, like TV/HDMI out, earphone jack, cameras (one or both), WiFI and/or cellular only, 8GB Ram, less battery.
    >Service by local organization, that is no App Store as it is meant for education and information, so EduTainment software for most part. Service and support is a chunk of any hardware cost.
    >A4 chip, cheaper but sill powerful for a smooth experience.

    So it is possible to make a really low cost good iPad for much less then what it is now. Also I never said less then $100 or cheap, just inexpensive.
    A child in Africa would rather have a sub-par iPad then no iPad at all, and what would they if it is sub par, they would not know what is par, let alone Golf (golf, par, get it? ;) )

    Apple has made Tablets a reality, but like many companies before, if they do not explore other potential markets (no matter how small) they could lose out in long run.
  25. haruhiko macrumors 601


    Sep 29, 2009
    Apple's business goal is not to conquer EVERY category of devices.

    Apple does not need to conquer the whole world. Just like they won't make canned food for dogs.

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