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Apple Nears Completion of WWDC Decorations at Moscone Center

proline said:
I can tell you are at least trying to think things through so I will throw you a bone. You just need to learn to deepen your analysis.

The shapes option from 7.1 does not foreshadow a return of button shapes. Rather, it is the proof that button shapes will NEVER return. That option has allowed Apple to do two very important things:

1) Gauge how many people actually care about button shapes enough to turn it on, rather than just how many people whine on the internet. In all likelihood, the number of people who turned it on is about 0.01%.

2) Apple can continue to leave buttons borderless as the critics are now silenced. If they whine, Apple can just say "go turn on the button shapes in settings, bitch".

Get used to it, button borders are over.
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I never said it was foreshadowing anything, so perhaps closer reading might be in order. What I did say is that they did being about something that people didn't expect (in relation to this very thing). Factoring that in or even not, no one can honestly say it will never happen because no one knows. Design approach can and will change down the line (as it did with iOS 7) and no one can say that at that time some sort of borders might not be back in the mix for one reason or another. To essentially rule it out completely is pretty much baseless unless one accurately knows what the future holds.

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bluespark said:
Button shapes are in fact not coming back.
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Except that they were in fact already brought back in a rough form (mostly for accessibility purposes). Even Apple doesn't know what might or might not be back in some form in the future, and even of they actually come out and rule something out as a fact of some sort doesn't mean that it can't or won't change at some point in the future.

These statements of absolutes are rather silly when it comes to practically anything let alone to something fluid like visual design and essentially aesthetics which almost constantly change and often go back to olde things while bringing new things as well.
 
C DM said:
I never said it was foreshadowing anything, so perhaps closer reading might be in order. What I did say is that they did being about something that people didn't expect (in relation to this very thing). Factoring that in or even not, no one can honestly say it will never happen because no one knows. Design approach can and will change down the line (as it did with iOS 7) and no one can say that at that time some sort of borders might not be back in the mix for one reason or another. To essentially rule it out completely is pretty much baseless unless one accurately knows what the future holds.
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I take it back, you aren't trying to reason things through. You're assumption that Apple's design choices are based on fashion or 'trends' as you put it means you will never understand Apple well enough to predict what it will do in the future. The button borders were removed for a reason that had nothing to do with 'trends'- they distract from the content. For as long as that holds true, which is the foreseeable future, the borders will stay gone.

You can also see this by looking at the flip side, the borders themselves- they were there for a purpose. Namely, to teach new users how to use a smartphone. Now everybody knows how so the situation is different and they have no function. For as long as that holds true, which is the foreseeable future, the borders will stay gone.

Now by all means, live in your own little fairy tale world of 'nobody knows what the future holds'. However, those of us who understand and can predict the future will have a huge advantage over you at most aspects of life.
 
proline said:
I take it back, you aren't trying to reason things through. You're assumption that Apple's design choices are based on fashion or 'trends' as you put it means you will never understand Apple well enough to predict what it will do in the future. The button borders were removed for a reason that had nothing to do with 'trends'- they distract from the content. For as long as that holds true, which is the foreseeable future, the borders will stay gone.

You can also see this by looking at the flip side, the borders themselves- they were there for a purpose. Namely, to teach new users how to use a smartphone. Now everybody knows how so the situation is different and they have no function. For as long as that holds true, which is the foreseeable future, the borders will stay gone.

Now by all means, live in your own little fairy tale world of 'nobody knows what the future holds'. However, those of us who understand and can predict the future will have a huge advantage over you at most aspects of life.
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You can keep on trying to justify it and pretend that that somehow means something as far as predicting the future, because clearly it's been established that people can predict the future, in particular when it comes to things that are fairly subjective like design and aesthetics.
 
The apple looks like an ass... and the leaf like an... Banana! I GOT YOU IN THERE! XD
 
C DM said:
You can keep on trying to justify it and pretend that that somehow means something as far as predicting the future, because clearly it's been established that people can predict the future, in particular when it comes to things that are fairly subjective like design and aesthetics.
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Keep hoping my friend. When iOS 8 comes out on Monday you will be disappointed.
 
So I wonder if Mark Gurman has been sitting on some WWDC stuff and will be posting it today or Monday morning? I'm a little surprised more hasn't leaked. Like some screen shots or mockups of what OSX 10.10 will look like. Even iOS 8 is still a bit of a mystery. On the hardware side Gurman say as he expects new hardware to be announced but CNET says not to expect any, that it's all about software this year. I kind of like that there's a lot we don't know, but it is a bit weird because not many things in the last few years have been surprises.
 
What I am looking for to most....

Okay, so follow my flawless logic in this....

We've seen OS X upgrades drop in price to $25

Then they were free...

This years announcement...

"OS X 10.10 is better than free. It's already based on OpenSource, so we wanted to add free as in beer too. It will come with a code that credits you $25 in your iTunes account to use as you wish, we recommend getting MS Office to support Redmond...."

Hey, it could happen....
 
proline said:
Keep hoping my friend. When iOS 8 comes out on Monday you will be disappointed.
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Clearly closer reading would be a great idea. I haven't been hoping for anything and nothing in relation to iOS 8 either. I was simply stating that it's not rationally sound to completely rule something out forever essentially just because when no one knows what might happen in the future (no matter how much someone might believe that they somehow can predict it).
 
C DM said:
Yeah, after the fact people will get their brain to find something that sort can resemble something related to what they heard and they then attribute it to being there as a hidden meaning type of thing.

"The logo had colors and then the phones were released in different colors!"...we can discount the fact that some previous logos had colors too, which carried no meaning except well to simply be colorful logos as practically most in the world are and have been for a long time. Or "You can sort of make out a left leaning 5 in the middle somewhere", because, you know, no one would have suspected iPhone 5 to come out that year and so it was "hidden" because it would be unexpected...and then it wasn't even mentioned at WWDC anyway.

If anything the article makes more of an obvious point that there simply isn't any sort of hidden meaning in most cases, just some related imagery at best (which wouldn't really be hidden anyway).
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Last year very few people guessed the Mavericks reference in the banner till Apple pointed it out. There is a reason Apple have designed the banners this way this year. It will relate to what's in the keynote somehow. Exactly how though? We will find out soon.
 
goobot said:
Apple has listened to feedback before very often. So to say it won't be coming back is quite humorous. Not saying it defiantly will but the fact you are so sure is what is humorous.
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Defiantly: characterized by defiance; boldly resistant or challenging: a defiant attitude.

Definitely: in a clear and definite manner; unambiguously.


I assume you meant definitely.
 
the8thark said:
Last year very few people guessed the Mavericks reference in the banner till Apple pointed it out. There is a reason Apple have designed the banners this way this year. It will relate to what's in the keynote somehow. Exactly how though? We will find out soon.
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Like I said, it's related but not some hidden thing. The waves were obvious last year people just didn't know exactly what the actual name would be in relation to them. Nothing especially hidden about that.
 
I've lost hope in Apple. I expect the useful releases to come from Computex next week.
 
C DM said:
Like I said, it's related but not some hidden thing. The waves were obvious last year people just didn't know exactly what the actual name would be in relation to them. Nothing especially hidden about that.
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I agree 100%. We know what the relation is this year. We just don't know exactly how it's related.
 
Where are pics of the indoor banners? Doubling down this year? I don't remember when it was we saw the iOS and OS X banners last year....

I've got a fever....and the only prescription is more WWDC news!
 
jrswizzle said:
Where are pics of the indoor banners? Doubling down this year? I don't remember when it was we saw the iOS and OS X banners last year....

I've got a fever....and the only prescription is more WWDC news!
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It was 3 days before WWDC, so we should see iOS and OSX banners today
 
Just saw this pic on Twitter, first ios 8 that I've seen :D

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proline said:
They listen to good feedback, like all good companies. They don't listen to whiners who can't handle change. They are no more likely to listen to the button border crowd than to the people who want the old Mac Pro updated.
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That is a beyond horrible comparison. They gave us the ability to remove OTA downloads, they gave us a ton of accessibility options including boarders. The only reason iOS 7 looks different is because people wanted it to. :rolleyes:
 
you would never have known this was WWDC if you walked inside...

Look just like a massive hotel....

(oh right... i'm in the wrong place again)
 
C DM said:
Clearly closer reading would be a great idea. I haven't been hoping for anything and nothing in relation to iOS 8 either. I was simply stating that it's not rationally sound to completely rule something out forever essentially just because when no one knows what might happen in the future (no matter how much someone might believe that they somehow can predict it).
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You would do well to read closer. Nowhere did I rule it out forever. I did rule it out until there is a fundamental change change in how humans interact with technology and I ruled it out for iOS 8. Both are 100% correct.

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goobot said:
That is a beyond horrible comparison. They gave us the ability to remove OTA downloads, they gave us a ton of accessibility options including boarders. The only reason iOS 7 looks different is because people wanted it to. :rolleyes:
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How does that contradict what I have said? They listened to people with rational concerns, but not to whiners. The whiners who want to go back to pre-retina fonts, obsolete computer designs, etc. have no influence over Apple. The ability to judge feedback as constructive vs. whining gives Apple a huge advantage over other focus-group based companies like MS and Samsung, both of which make a lot less of what counts- profit.
 
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