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Apple needs a MID Tower?

I think Apple knows exactly what they are doing regarding the MID Tower. The stock price is back up there around $170. They are pushing their other lines until the market is saturated (iPhone, iPods, iTunes) - and when the goldrush is over in those areas and is squeezed by the competition - out comes the MID Tower. They know how large the PC desktop market is - a market that is ripe to tap into and take customers away. For now these other products are keeping the stock up so they can sell pieces of paper on the stock exchanges (money for nothing).

Again, when the stock needs a boost because all other products are slowing down relative to investor expectations, the MID Tower will arrive amidst the fanfare of sheer brilliance from the all wise, all knowing, Apple corporate leadership. Until then, I think we who want one will have to wait. In my case, I'll just keep buying the previous generation, used, at prices that make sense for a rapidly depreciating piece of equipment and software.

Mike
 
I think the Mac Pro is quite innovative, especially in being clean.

I miss the old IBM PS/2 models because they were so clean and tidy. Everything plugged into something. No rails. No cables. No wires. It was all just really nice.

Looking at the Mac Pro, it reminds me of the...elegance...of the PS/2's innards. And that is what I love about Apple and OS X - it's elegant. Elegant to look at and elegant to work with. Heck, even the old PowerMac G4s were pretty easy to work on, even with their cables everywhere.

I do hope that Apple moves to SATA optical drives in the Mac Pro and makes those bays direct-connect like they do their HDD drives. That way we lose two more sets of cables. Everything is well-organized and easy to access.

And I think the MacBook Pros and MacBooks are innovative. They have built in cameras. The MBP has a backlit keyboard for use in low light conditions. They have real FireWire - not the four-pin un-powered version. They don't need grills everywhere with high-speed fans to keep cool so they generally run much quieter then Wintel laptops I have used (and I have used scores of models from almost a dozen Tier One Wintel OEMs).
Yeah, Apple's engineers are very good at making the puzzle fit together neatly and squeezing an absurd amount of stuff into very small enclosures, and they're not afraid to try new materials.

But sometimes they get carried away and the gamble backfires on them when they release stuff that hasn't undergone proper real world tests. Sometimes the products crack (iPhone 3G, Mac Cube), sometimes they break easily (original PB G4 hinges), sometimes there are heating problems (MBA)... and they also tend to use materials that are very scratch prone and sensitive to wear and tear. The chrome back on iPods always looks like crap after a couple of days. The alu on MBA is extremely easy to scratch. And then there's... I don't know, I don't have any stats on it, but our company has a user base of about 50,000 (a mixed bag of PC and Mac users) and I often talk to them on the forum, and one thing I've noticed about the Mac camp is an excessive amount of hard drive crashes, particularly on iBooks, PowerBooks and MacBooks. Some have had their drives replaced up to 3 times. I'm starting to wonder if the Mac portables are built too thin and cramped for their own good, if the drives get too hot or if there's too little protecting them. The hard drive on my Dell notebook is suspended in some kind of shock absorbing thingamabob, I'm on my 4th Dell and I've never had a hard drive failure even though these machines have all taken a hard beating... the may be uglier, heavier and thicker than Macs, but the conservative better-safe-than-sorry approach on the part of the Wintel engineers has paid off for me so far.

Anyway... a mid tower doesn't have to be a plain, boring brick á la Wintel. The 'Mac Midi' could be considerably smaller, halfway between the Mini and the Pro. Nifty but still large enough to hold more USB ports, couple of 3.5" drives, dualhead video and a full sized PCI card or two.
 
Well, Guess what it's not happening, That's just what you get when you go apple you have to pay more and get limited selection.

Yeah, just go build a hackintosh. If you get the right hardware it's essentially problem free and you'll only need to spend around 800.
 
Could it be just a major part of the Wintel market?

After all, if Apple is seeing 40% growth in both desktops and laptops, their desktop offerings must not be as poor as is claimed by some? Especially since Apple's strongest retail growth is in machines that cost more then $2000 - a retail market they currently control two-thirds of?

A common argument is that Apple must offer a mid-tower because Windows users predominately have mid-tower models and therefore Apple must have one too in order to appeal to them to switch.

And yet what is the model Apple created specifically to attract Windows users? The Mac Mini. And Apple has done very little to it since they created it. About the only product Apple gets more stick about then the mid-tower is the Mini. A large number of Windows mid-tower owners evidently seem to want to use the Mini to become introduced to OS X and the entire Apple experience, even though it's small and it cannot be expanded. All they want is something newer then technology that wasn't cutting edge 24 months ago inside of it.

Even in the Wintel world, mid-towers are starting to fall by the wayside - especially amongst corporate customers. More and more companies are moving to small form factor PCs because they take up less space, draw less power and more then meet the needs of their users. Even retail Wintel boxes are getting progressively smaller over time. I travel a good bit for work and all my suppliers (and these are big companies with thousands of desktops) are all either using SFF machines or are replacing their towers with SFF machines to a very heavy extent.

The biggest market going forward for mid-towers will be the enthusiast market who either build them themselves or want them for very narrowly-focused purposes - like gaming or media center rigs. Those who build it themselves do so for both the challenge and the labor savings, so an Apple mid-tower would not appeal to them since Apple builds it for them and therefore no labor savings can be obtained. And those who want a gaming or media-center rig will be disappointed both by the lack of high-performance gaming cards available and Apple's desire to serve media content from the web - not a big box of disks in the closet.

If Apple is seeing 40% growth in its desktop products, that doesn't mean the offerings aren't bad. There could be bigger growth figures if Apple directly appealed to its switchers with a MID.

The small computers businesses are migrating to are often thin-clients. Yes, I know this isn't the 90s, but thin clients are still becoming more popular. This is due to more applications being web-based, and businesses centralising processing. So you could have a cheap client with a powerful server, and use terminal services to use the server's power remotely.

Power consumption isn't a major concern. The biggest savings would be in changing their air-conditioned servers. Those things take massive amounts of power, are often on 24/7, and require large amounts of energy just to cool them down.

The Mac Mini is a poor offering and doesn't generate many sales. That's the reason Apple haven't updated it. There's no reason to - not because it isn't selling well, but because it's a product with no clear target market, and refreshing it wouldn't help change that. Families don't buy small macs to experiment with them. When they buy a new computer, they buy something they're going to keep. It's also psychological - the mini is so small, people don't believe it'll give them the performance they need. They don't know it's way powerful enough to browse the web and make home movies. They've been told for years by Dell that the towers are necessary for performance. Bigger = better. It's not correct, but that's what lots of people believe.

Apple work by providing limited functionality, but doing whatever they do implement really well. Microsoft do the opposite - they try and do everything, and end up not being very good at doing anything. People are used to Microsoft's way of doing things. It's a huge mentality shift. It's the reason people don't like Apple products that can't open up, even though they've never tried to do it with their PC. You can't sell an MS-Mentality person the idea that they don't have the option to do something they won't do anyway. They're used to lots of options.

The mentality shift is one of the reasons Apple products have a 'halo effect'. As people use the iPod and iPhone, they like the product's focus on quality, and realise the lack of options isn't a problem. A MID would help bridge the gap even further.
 
There is really no constructive argument for a computer like this.

I disagree. My problem is that I can't get a mac with a dedicated graphics card and a matte screen unless I go for a mac pro. The imac is plenty of power. I don't need to upgrade. I just want a matte screen and dedicated graphics.
 
This is the problem, most people don't understand Steve's vision for the personal computer. It's designed to be an all in one box that doesn't need to be upgraded or tinkered with. It's supposed to just work and I don't think people get that :rolleyes:

"Okay, where did the computer go" I think just about sums it up. The key is in that message and Apple defines itself by being different to the competition in challenging the way people normally think about computers by making the form factor different and inspiring, with a simple to use operating system that runs on hardware complementing the whole package.

So the iMac is the Mid-Tower...for now! but if Apple's market share grows substantially who knows what we might see. The Mini hasn't been updated in a long time :eek:
 
You would not see more sales of Macs. No one gives a rats ass about this computer except a few geeks who know nothing about how Apples product strategy works.

There are a lot of VFX/Animation studios and studios that edit that buy computers in bulk that have overlooked Apple, not because they didn't like the hardware or the OS, but because there was no flexibility in pricing based on the lack of hardware configuration options. I've heard more than one studio executive say that they were going to switch to Apple/Final Cut, but decided to go with Avid because of a better price that they got by form fitting hardware configurations to what each department really needed. I suspect that there are a lot of enterprises in the same boat that are just unwilling to pay iMac prices to stock their floors when better configuration options can get them better pricing for performance. Core i& mid Towers from Apple, or a "Microbrew" style OEM that they could acquire would be just what the doctor ordered.
 
There are a lot of VFX/Animation studios and studios that edit that buy computers in bulk that have overlooked Apple, not because they didn't like the hardware or the OS, but because there was no flexibility in pricing based on the lack of hardware configuration options. I've heard more than one studio executive say that they were going to switch to Apple/Final Cut, but decided to go with Avid because of a better price that they got by form fitting hardware configurations to what each department really needed. I suspect that there are a lot of enterprises in the same boat that are just unwilling to pay iMac prices to stock their floors when better configuration options can get them better pricing for performance. Core i& mid Towers from Apple, or a "Microbrew" style OEM that they could acquire would be just what the doctor ordered.

I'm pretty sure Apple gives volume discounts and a iMac/Mac Pro's hardware is pretty flexible.
 
Glossy hin, Glossy her, the iMac AL Screens are crap, especially the 24in versions. It´s good for youtube and iChild apps but gets squashed by any 400 USD screen and totally useless for more demanding tasks.
The only place this is disputed is here by the acolytes of the Apple.
Apple as a green company is of course a marketing joke.
Potent desktop cpus can be had with a 65W TDP. The Mac Pro has a >1KW PSU but idles at around 176 W. A toned down midi version would come in at 120-130W idle. So where are the few hundred W w/o the 280GTX at full blast?
Certainly, there is a huge gap between the iToy and the Mac Pro.
A lot of people would like processing power in between and not pay premium for server hardware in the 1 CPU MP configuration.

The 24" ALU iMacs have IPS screens, the best there is. Whether you like glossy or not is your choice, but the panels themselves are excellent.

Also you can't run dual 65W TDP desktop CPUs side by side. Also the 1KW PSU doesn't draw as much power from the wall if it's not required, please go read up on PSUs and how they work. If you really want power now, get a PC with i7 and not wait for the Xeon (Nehalem) Mac Pros..
 
I'm pretty sure Apple gives volume discounts and a iMac/Mac Pro's hardware is pretty flexible.
They do if you order large quantities.

However, their discount is minimal overall.

As for a Midtower Mac, don't see a need for it unless Apple did away with their Mac Pro form factor and made it smaller.

In the 90's, Apple had too many models. It was confusing for the customer and geeks as well. When SJ returned, one of the first things he did was simplify the lineup via cutting products and the clones and focusing Apple's efforts on the iMac (All-in-One) concept

Basically, Apple maintains a Pro desktop (Mac Pro) & laptop (MBP) and a consumer desktop (iMac) and laptop (MB). In addition, they offer the MBA and the Mac Mini. A decent lineup overall IMHO.
 
Not historically...:confused:

Flexible in use, not in upgrading.

There is a discount in volume purchases, you're looking at 5-10% depending on the number.

Also the example the person gave was regarding purchasing different configs and not upgrading.
 
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