iPod Apple needs to focus on iPods again

BillyMatt87

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With the current POS music app on iOS and bloated mess of iTunes on OS X, the Apple of today seems to be extremely misguided in their current attempts with music. Especially on iOS, the current music app has made the traditional experience of loading up and listening to your music collection an aggravating and miserable experience, not what you'd expect from the people who made the iPod.

That is why Apple needs to realize why they became so successful again, because of the iPod and its seamless integration with a non-bloated iTunes, not streaming. The iPod lineup has not gotten a decent overhaul since 2012 with the 6th gen touch and 7th gen nano. They've had minor updates here and there but Apple has seemingly abandoned the iPod line in favor of an extremely flawed streaming service based in a poorly designed and convoluted stock app.

The iPhone, iPad and iPod touch are not devices that I consider to be efficient and viable music players in the way that they used to be. The iPod shuffle is decent and while the current nano is great and all plus it still retains an iOS 6-esque interface, only having a 16GB option is extremely limiting.

Apple recently betrayed long-time fans and people who prefer to locally store their music by discontinuing the iPod classic. An iconic and fantastic device that does nothing more than what it's supposed to. The classic may have been a legacy product but it's needed back now more than ever.

Just because iPods aren't what they used to be doesn't mean there isn't still a market for them. Considering Apple's current strategy with music, it would be really smart of them to reinvest in the iPod line because they've already alienated a lot of people, including me, with the dreadful music app on iOS and the current messy iTunes. The initial idea of the iPhone doubling as an iPod was a big draw for me, like most, but that premise has been mostly eschewed to push a streaming service that had no real need to exist other than to compete with superior alternatives such as Spotify. Apple, please just leave the streaming stuff to others, focus on making great iPod devices again and overhaul iTunes and iOS music.
 

Mr. Buzzcut

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Things change but I think the introduction of the iPhone ended iPod development. There may be a new mini player here and there but they will continue to suck. Honestly, the Nano is an embarrassment to a company like Apple. I don't get it. The touch is too big for many uses. It would be cool if they reimagined the iPod but with all the people who have given in and strapped a 6 plus to their arm, I don't see it.
 
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GoCubsGo

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I really don't see the iPod going far. The iPhone, at least for me, replaced the need for an iPod mostly. I do have a number of iPods and I do use them in my truck; however, if I decide to replace my stock system for a new one that has BT, the need for me to use iPods would be completely pointless.

Unfortunately, I don't care to carry around an iPod and an iPhone. Even if I didn't have an iPhone, any other smart phone I carry would give me exactly the same music. I use Amazon music and Spotify mostly. Amazon is where I buy the majority of my music. I can't recall the last time I bought iTunes music.
 
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BillyMatt87

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Things change but I think the introduction of the iPhone ended iPod development. There may be a new mini player here and there but they will continue to suck. Honestly, the Nano is an embarrassment to a company like Apple. I don't get it. The touch is too big for many uses. It would be cool if they reimagined the iPod but with all the people who have given in and strapped a 6 plus to their arm, I don't see it.
For the majority of its existence, the iPhone has been an adequate replacement for a standalone iPod. However, with the introduction of Apple Music and its extremely convoluted and poorly thought-out design, the original 'iPod with touch controls' tentpole feature has essentially been reduced to a single tab within the music app. That's the issue with the current app, it can only be used to the fullest if you pay a subscription fee. That would be fine in a separate app, but the music app should've continued to be a traditional iPod player. As a non-subscriber, I feel sidelined and I want my local music collection to be front and center as it should.

Because of the unnecessary focus on streaming, I think the need for simple music playing devices should be met. Apple, of all companies should acknowledge this concern. They after all, popularized the MP3 player industry, they're not exactly having the same level of success in the streaming market so why not go back to what works and what customers loved about Apple in the first place?

Basically, if Apple is gonna continue to have a terrible and overstuffed music app for iOS, the least they could is remedy that by giving the iPods some TLC and attention again.
 

Mr. Buzzcut

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It can be done. Zune software was quite good, IMO. It offered your own music as well as Zune pass and purchase options, which didn't marginalize the former.
 

rgarjr

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Smartphones has pretty much cannibalized the iPods as well as other music players and made them a niche market. Majority of people nowadays use their phones as their music player because they mostly take them with them all the time and don't like lugging around another device. Also, people tend to upgrade their phones often, so when do upgrade they also upgrade their player.

Back in 2003, I'm certain there was a few phones that could possibly play music but their storage were certainly limited on how small the NAND flash capacity was. So it made sense to carry around an iPod with 30/40 GB that you can store thousand of tracks in your pocket.

So Apple has pretty much said it with the discontinued Classic, because of this low interested in it now, they aren't going to focus on it anymore.
 
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machenryr

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I agree completely. I was lucky enough to buy the Classic a few weeks before it was discontinued. I like having practical my entire music library on iPod. I don't like having it in my iPhone because my library is too big and I have no idea what I might want to listen to. I tend to put podcasts on my phone - Both really. But I'm not interested in bloating my phone.
 

noodles5666

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Which is why I am happy with my modded Classic. Upgraded it to 1TB of storage and a 2,000mAh battery. Also have a 256GB back-up iPod Video. If Apple won't give it to the masses I, along with others in the modding community will do it for people. I am one of the ones that prefer to have all my music owned and operated by myself. Mind you I have all my music uploaded to Google Music for my phone. I prefer to curate my playlists as I see fit, don't want to have to "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" for a few weeks to get what I want on a "radio station".
 

pika2000

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I agree that the music app on iOS9 is crap. I mean it crashes on my 6S. Seriously, Apple cannot make a stable music app on the 9th release of the supposedly most advance mobile OS? I blame it on Apple music.

But focusing on the iPod? I rather Apple focusses on making iOS (and the music app) great again. Let's face it, we now at the point of the phone being the music player, as standard. Some people are looking for a separate player, but majority of people have been using their phones as their music player for years. That's one of the main selling of the iPhone, to consolidate your iPod, phone, camera, etc into one device. So instead going backwards, I rather have Apple making sure the convergence device to be great, ie. fixing iOS.

Besides, if there are people looking to buy a separate music player, the current iPod lineup fits most of those needs. Let the likes of Sony create expensive high-end MP3 players.
 

machenryr

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I don't care what anyone says. I'm not giving up my iPod. I think there's something to be said for having a device that's designed to do one thing and do it well. I don't need it to take pictures or make calls or check my stocks or look up Facebook. And my music library is TOO BIG for that. I just want an music library player. iCloud is was a cool idea. I don't really use it. Whatever.
 

Todor

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It's cool that one device just made for one particular solution and make a great performance, hence iPod comes out. While iPhone grows fast and manages iPod thing, and now only one problem that need to be worried: music library is TOO BIG to put into iPhone...IMO, it will no longer be a problem with iPhone rapid development and if with nothing new and advanced for new iPod, then I don't see that iPod will last long.
 

machenryr

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It depends how big your music library is doesn't it? With apps and photos, videos all also competing for space, for now iPhone + music is not a workable solution.
 

Apple fanboy

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Exactly the point.
For most people who carry an iPhone or stream music, the need for a seperate iPod is reduced. Plus they last for years. I have a couple of shuffles and a nano and even a touch somewhere. Just don't use them. I use my iPhone, but then I have a relatively small library.
Can't see :apple: putting the effort in when this revenue stream has pretty much dried up. Especially as they want you to pay a subscription (which I don't btw).
 

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Pakaku

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iPods aren't a thing anymore, at least not the ones that are wifi-free, because they want the App Store and Apple Music to be a thing.

They realize what is making them successful now, which is the iPhone. So they focus on that line accordingly.
 

venomgt95

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I don't care what anyone says. I'm not giving up my iPod. I think there's something to be said for having a device that's designed to do one thing and do it well. I don't need it to take pictures or make calls or check my stocks or look up Facebook. And my music library is TOO BIG for that. I just want an music library player. iCloud is was a cool idea. I don't really use it. Whatever.

THIS. Yes. I just recently picked up a 120GB Classic off ebay. Cosmetically, its not the modt beautiful thing out there, but the hard drive is perfect.


That's depressing.
 

BillyMatt87

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iPods aren't a thing anymore, at least not the ones that are wifi-free, because they want the App Store and Apple Music to be a thing.

They realize what is making them successful now, which is the iPhone. So they focus on that line accordingly.
While at the same time forgetting what made them successful to begin with. There needs to be some sort of balance!
 
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