iPhone 12 Pro Max Apple needs to give us the 80% max charge option on the iphone!

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

Just like the Ultra where you can set to only charge to 80% and not 100% unless you wish.

I only use about 20-30% of my battery everyday and do not need my battery pushed to 100% every day.

The difference this would make for battery life is minuscule.

Plus, Apple already does the charging management thing where it slows significantly when you get above 80%.

And batteries just age anyway as time goes by.

You’re not going to get 20% more capacity 2-4 years down the line simply because you only charge it to 80% instead of 100%. It’s not that simple as batteries age every single day no matter what you do.

Yes, it does make some difference. But not to a point where it’s worth never going above 80%.

A 3000mAh battery is 3000mAh, not 2400mAh.

You have to evaluate this in terms of cost

-There’s no way you’re mitigating so much wear on your battery by never going above 80% that it’s worth living with 20% less charge for the 1-4 years it takes for you to wear it down from 100% to <80% capacity. Not when the cost of a new battery is $69 or less.

The idea of spending $799+ for an iPhone every 1-3 years but not wanting to pay $69 for a new battery 1-4 year mark is utterly ridiculous.

If you can’t afford that then you shouldn’t be buying iPhones altogether.

 

[boak]

I really don’t get the point behind micromanaging and willingly using half of the battery capacity.

So let’s say that we charge up to 80% and use it until 20%. You are using 60% of the capacity with a brand new phone.

1. The battery is still aging
2. You are already using only 60% of the battery, that is equivalent to a 5-6 year old phone
3. Since the battery ages anyway, the “60%” that you are using is going to be less actual use time every month/year

I can write much more, but there’s no point. Batteries are consumable parts and cost 100 to replace every 2-3 years if you want peak performance.
And if you are fine with 60% of the original capacity to begin with, why bother? The battery will reach that point after 5-6 years anyway, but at least you enjoyed 100-90-80% for quite a few years.

Huge flaw in your original argument and hence the consequences you claim.

Battery aging is not uniform across the level of charge held.

 

[Jackbequickly]

The difference this would make for battery life is minuscule.

Plus, Apple already does the charging management thing where it slows significantly when you get above 80%.

And batteries just age anyway as time goes by.

You’re not going to get 20% more capacity 2-4 years down the line simply because you only charge it to 80% instead of 100%. It’s not that simple as batteries age every single day no matter what you do.

Yes, it does make some difference. But not to a point where it’s worth never going above 80%.

A 3000mAh battery is 3000mAh, not 2400mAh.

You have to evaluate this in terms of cost

-There’s no way you’re mitigating so much wear on your battery by never going above 80% that it’s worth living with 20% less charge for the 1-4 years it takes for you to wear it down from 100% to <80% capacity. Not when the cost of a new battery is $69 or less.

The idea of spending $799+ for an iPhone every 1-3 years but not wanting to pay $69 for a new battery 1-4 year mark is utterly ridiculous.

If you can’t afford that then you shouldn’t be buying iPhones altogether.

‘How hard would it be for Apple to give us choice! They seem to think it is a good idea as they incorporated it into the Ultra!

 

[Jackbequickly]

Is anybody’s Ultra self-limiting to 80% yet?

Mine arrived on launch day. I think I’ve only charged it to 100% a single time. I charge once per day, when I shower; I don’t think it’s ever been below 25% (with 40%-ish typical), and it’s generally between 80% and 95% when I put it back on.

But it still wants to charge to 100%.

By any reasonable statistical measure, it should know damn well by now that an 80% limit is perfectly fine.

Are Apple programmers just that paranoid? Or am I missing something? Or … ?

b&

‘Mine does! It did not a first but now charges to 80% with the option of 100% if you touch the charge ring when you put it on the charger.

‘’Why are some people against having choice?

 

[saintmac]

Is anybody’s Ultra self-limiting to 80% yet?

Mine arrived on launch day. I think I’ve only charged it to 100% a single time. I charge once per day, when I shower; I don’t think it’s ever been below 25% (with 40%-ish typical), and it’s generally between 80% and 95% when I put it back on.

But it still wants to charge to 100%.

By any reasonable statistical measure, it should know damn well by now that an 80% limit is perfectly fine.

Are Apple programmers just that paranoid? Or am I missing something? Or … ?

b&

Thanks for the data point. This is how I’m planning to use my ultra as well if I get one so I can use it to track my sleep. I wasn’t sure if charging it only when I’m in the shower is enough.

3 questions if you don’t mind sharing

1. How long do you charge it for ?
2. Do you use the fast charger included or an older slower one ?
3. Do you ever use your watch to track an outside activity without your phone (so gps + cellular)
4. Do you keep the always in display on ?

Thanks !!

 

[iFone88]

I really don’t get the point behind micromanaging and willingly using half of the battery capacity.

So let’s say that we charge up to 80% and use it until 20%. You are using 60% of the capacity with a brand new phone.

1. The battery is still aging
2. You are already using only 60% of the battery, that is equivalent to a 5-6 year old phone
3. Since the battery ages anyway, the “60%” that you are using is going to be less actual use time every month/year

I can write much more, but there’s no point. Batteries are consumable parts and cost 100 to replace every 2-3 years if you want peak performance.
And if you are fine with 60% of the original capacity to begin with, why bother? The battery will reach that point after 5-6 years anyway, but at least you enjoyed 100-90-80% for quite a few years.

I personally dont understand the need to micromanage and obsess over battery health - 99% of us won't even have the device they're babying by the time the battery health becomes a real world issue

 

[Ifti]

Optimised charging is only good for those who have a charging routine - those who leave their phones to charge overnight for instance, since the handset can 'learn' your charging routine and push to that 100% mark before you usually remove from charge.

For those who top up every now and then, at different times of the day depending upon when you are at your desk, for instance, optimised charging can't kick in as there is no routine to learn....

 

[sunking101]

I really don’t get the point behind micromanaging and willingly using half of the battery capacity.

So let’s say that we charge up to 80% and use it until 20%. You are using 60% of the capacity with a brand new phone.

1. The battery is still aging
2. You are already using only 60% of the battery, that is equivalent to a 5-6 year old phone
3. Since the battery ages anyway, the “60%” that you are using is going to be less actual use time every month/year

I can write much more, but there’s no point. Batteries are consumable parts and cost 100 to replace every 2-3 years if you want peak performance.
And if you are fine with 60% of the original capacity to begin with, why bother? The battery will reach that point after 5-6 years anyway, but at least you enjoyed 100-90-80% for quite a few years.

Exactly. People who don't want their batteries to wear are using them as if they're worn out from the off. They never get to experience a nice, healthy battery.

 

[IsaacM]

Just spend the $99 to replace it in 18-24 months and free yourself.

 

[Dealmans]

Just like the Ultra where you can set to only charge to 80% and not 100% unless you wish.

I only use about 20-30% of my battery everyday and do not need my battery pushed to 100% every day.

What for, I have charged my 13 max for a year to 100% daily with MagSafe charger, and it’s on 99% battery health.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

If that's the case, why Apple put that feature for the Apple Watch Ultra?

Exactly, people need to realize that once you go past 80% it stresses the battery and generates heat. That shortens the life of a battery. That's not me saying it but the battery experts. One of the benefits of owning an iPhone is that you can take it to an Apple Store or Best Buy and get it replaced. However you can maintain the health of a battery by not exceeding 80% or letting it drop to less than 30%.

If a person changes their phone every year then none of this really matters but if a person likes to keep their phones for at least 3 yrs then it is something worth considering.

 

[Alex Cai]

For Mac I can at least use Aldente
Optimized charging on iPhone and Apple Watch is not smart at all. When I unplug the iPhone and plug it in again, it will push it self back to 100 and break the charging habit that it leaned previously. Also, the iPhone gets to 100 at 4am but I wake up at 7.
My proposed solution is to use the sleep time in health app and make the iPhone get to 100% 10minutes before you wake up

 

[Khemsmtl]

That would be great! I manually don’t exceed 80% +/- but it requires attention.

I got a HomeKit outlet and created a shortcut automation to only charge when the phone goes below 30% and stop after 80%. Doing this kept my iPhone 12 battery's health at 100%.

 

[Jackbequickly]

What for, I have charged my 13 max for a year to 100% daily with MagSafe charger, and it’s on 99% battery health.

Because some might want the option!

From the number of likes on my original post, I would say I am not alone in this!

 

[boak]

If that's the case, why Apple put that feature for the Apple Watch Ultra?

Exactly. Apple probably put it on the watch because they replace the entire device for battery replacements and it costs them way more than battery replacement for iPhones.

 

[Jackbequickly]

It's an actual option to stop charging and not Optimise charging? Has anyone pics of this option on their Ultra's?

Go to settings, battery, battery health, then select “Optimized Charge Limit”.

Mind did not start doing this for a while but now it does it every night. Wish they had the same for the iPhone!

 

[Paddle1]

Edit: Nvm.

 

[imnotthewalrus]

feedback.apple.com

simple and quick. make your voice heard.

 

[A Hobo]

Reading this forum often makes me feel like one of the few sane old men on the planet. The crotchety attitudes about a feature that essentially doesn’t need to exist makes me laugh so hard.

We can all agree thateven if Apple did it you’d still complain about its implementation.

Batteries are and will always be a wear and tear part, apple will swap that sucker out after 2-3 years of use for about fiddy bux, which is a negligible price to keep your $1000 pocket-supercomputer or more likely: “Instagram post watching accessory” battery fresh for a few more years.

But please, still go ok buddy r-mode and try to micromanage your phones battery better than the software built for the phone battery does.

I’m certain you’ll really notice the few percent of difference in battery chemistry after 26 months of using 3 different hacks to avoid the dreaded oh crap my phone charged to 100% battery at 8am ‘problem’.


Or maybe you’ll have sold or broke that phone by then. 🤷‍♂️

In related news apple will swap out my iPhone mini battery out this weekend as it’s reached 79% life after just over 2 years. and I’ve used the hell out of this phone, I don’t even use the optimum charging stuff. Just set it and fuggetaboutit.

And I’ll keep using that same phone. Maybe for another year, with better battery than I had last week. Such a fool I will feel I’m sure. 😆

Tldr: this is a non issue for modern li-ion batteries. A battery has two things that are its enemy: usage and time 🕰️ and there’s only one you have a factor in. Just use the bloody things folks, and be prepared to put a new battery in there in 2-3 years when you can actually perceive a difference or when that difference will matter to you. And put a power bank somewhere in your house/truck/trailer for those occasions you need more juice than you predicted.

 

[ian87w]

Meh, just use your phones, people. I charged my 13PM whenever I needed, using magsafe 99% of the time, used the phone for a whole year and the battery health was at 100% at the end of that year.

Babying your battery to save it from degrading, by using less of the battery, means you're living as if the battery has already degraded. If you're using 80% of the battery, then you're manufacturing a scenario in which your phone behaves like it is at 80% battery health.

Not exactly what the OP meant. The OP stated that he/she only uses about 20-30% battery daily anyway, so either way, the OP does enjoy the phone as is. But if this feature was available, OP’s phone might have better battery longevity in its second and third year due to reduced time charging in 100%.

 

[JM]

Agreed, you can already do something like that with Shortcuts, but an official option would be great.

The only way I’ve seen that possible is with a iOS connected Home compatible smart plug.

Is there another way?

 

[JM]

Reading this forum often makes me feel like one of the few sane old men on the planet. The crotchety attitudes about a feature that essentially doesn’t need to exist makes me laugh so hard.

We can all agree thateven if Apple did it you’d still complain about its implementation.

Batteries are and will always be a wear and tear part, apple will swap that sucker out after 2-3 years of use for about fiddy bux, which is a negligible price to keep your $1000 pocket-supercomputer or more likely: “Instagram post watching accessory” battery fresh for a few more years.

But please, still go ok buddy r-mode and try to micromanage your phones battery better than the software built for the phone battery does.

I’m certain you’ll really notice the few percent of difference in battery chemistry after 26 months of using 3 different hacks to avoid the dreaded oh crap my phone charged to 100% battery at 8am ‘problem’.


Or maybe you’ll have sold or broke that phone by then. 🤷‍♂️

In related news apple will swap out my iPhone mini battery out this weekend as it’s reached 79% life after just over 2 years. and I’ve used the hell out of this phone, I don’t even use the optimum charging stuff. Just set it and fuggetaboutit.

And I’ll keep using that same phone. Maybe for another year, with better battery than I had last week. Such a fool I will feel I’m sure. 😆

Tldr: this is a non issue for modern li-ion batteries. A battery has two things that are its enemy: usage and time 🕰️ and there’s only one you have a factor in. Just use the bloody things folks, and be prepared to put a new battery in there in 2-3 years when you can actually perceive a difference or when that difference will matter to you. And put a power bank somewhere in your house/truck/trailer for those occasions you need more juice than you predicted.

I don’t know… you sound pretty crotchety yourself. 🤣

 

[antiprotest]

Just like the Ultra where you can set to only charge to 80% and not 100% unless you wish.

I only use about 20-30% of my battery everyday and do not need my battery pushed to 100% every day.

But if you use very little battery every day you don't actual need to maintain battery health. You can abuse the thing all you want and it will still provide enough charge for as long as you own your phone, even for the occasional extra usage. You can abuse it on purpose and it would not make a difference to you since you only need a little charge each day. Make it a challenge to degrade your battery. Turn it into a game. Enjoy.

 

[Jackbequickly]

But if you use very little battery every day you don't actual need to maintain battery health. You can abuse the thing all you want and it will still provide enough charge for as long as you own your phone, even for the occasional extra usage. You can abuse it on purpose and it would not make a difference to you since you only need a little charge each day. Make it a challenge to degrade your battery. Turn it into a game. Enjoy.

‘Well, that’s logical🙄

 

[Jackbequickly]

That would cause so much confusion to the general population.

I don’t get this obsession over micromanaging the battery. The optimized charging feature will manage it for you. Don’t try to outsmart it.

I give the “general population” more credit and think they would like choice!


‘The “optimized charging“ feature still force charges my phone to 100% when it is not needed. I have read from multiple places that charging your battery to 100% is not optimal to battery health.