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No foresight whatsoever

Too much dependence on rumors based off of products from other companies instead of recognizing patterns based on Apple's products.

Apple keyboards on notebook and desktop computers have become thinner and need less pushing on their buttons. The trackpad has been getting bigger, and before that the button has been optional in use with secondary click, scrolling, and dragging possible without it. The iPhone has no buttons for keyboard use and is essentially a forward experiment of a touchboard instead of a keyboard. Anybody remember Steve Jobs comment about Star Trek:TNG at D5 (when appearing with Bill Gates)? Come on people, make the connections, wake up and smell the solder on the wafer boards.

A usable full-size keyboard has been touted time and again as a reason for not making smaller notebooks, along with desire for a usable screen size. Combining the screen and keyboard reduces viewing and makes applications not as usable. Imagine using iLife, iWork, or developing with Xcode and Interface builder. The interface elements would need to be bigger for receiving the touches, not to mention the interface would be partially obscured when using your hand to touch the screen, so a larger screen would be nice for both situations. It's unfeasible, dare I say inconceivable, except as a bold social experiment as has been done by other companies with their tablets and such.

Another angle on Apple weening us off of the keyboard, away from buttons, can be seen with their mouse nowadays. Even that has signs of increasing usability while maintaining simplicity. If you don't want more mouse buttons, you won't see them so there's no confusion about which button to press because the whole thing will appear to be singular. Easier troubleshooting and tech support. The experienced user will expect otherwise and have the expectations met with secondary click and middle click working as expected. One of many examples of Apple's experiments and their coordination of the masses mindset with their own. The touchboard could eliminate the need for a mouse, not to mention can be smaller since the numeric keypad can be a software layout instead.

To prevent tiredness in people's arms, either the view screen needs to lay flat on the desk or the keyboard needs to become a touchboard, essentially an extra large trackpad like the iPhone's screen. The former would still be more effort since it'd would be a greater area for moving ones arms than a smaller touchboard with command areas (simulated keys). The latter maintains a small footprint on the desktop and no need to strain the neck holding the head at an angle for looking downward all of the time. The touchboard is also much more usable than a trackpad since it can give a visual representation. Even though a keyboard layout may be visible, swiping gestures could be interpreted as cursor movements without having to switch the keyboard layout off. The keyboard layout can be sized to people's hands, small or large, missing a finger or a hand (key chording, like Twiddler could be set up). Like the iPhone, different languages no longer need a different set of hardware keys. Again, refer to Star Trek:TNG and other science fiction stories in books and video. Nothing new here.

What's that? How do you touch type? Easy, though a little different. You leave all of your fingers (or most of them, or more than one) on the touchboard. Then move your fingers as usual. For key areas under the finger tips, a simple lift and setting down of the finger will indicate that area should be acknowledged. So, yes, you can still rest your hands, when typing the computer will just ignore the static input and instead pay attention to the dynamic input. Wasn't that what you worried about, the computer getting confused by the extra touching? Well, the computer just needs to be told not to be confused by that. Duh. :)

So, no, netbooks and tablets just aren't that great for the masses even they are admired by geeks and small groups of specialists. Life is big, and so the interface shouldn't be tiny. Consulting information is fine for a device like the iPhone, but is too limiting for manipulation, creation, and editing major portions of life. Lighter weight and holographic would be the path since the usable size is so important.

One more thing from science fiction: reduction of moving parts. That leads to longevity and ease of maintenance, such as could be obtained with no keys or buttons.

Oh, and of course, the connection of the roughly 10" screen. Measure your full-size notebook keyboard. It's roughly 10" by 4", which by the Pythagorean theorem would be less than 11" diagonal. Removing some excess space of extra large keys and allowing for hands to sit naturally angled, the width and length can be adjusted smaller and lead closer to the roughly 10" screens.

This is what Apple has been doing with their products, constantly adding one more thing, a gradual introduction to a different interface, one with less effort and more informative. Apple doesn't make products to sell to everyone, instead they make the best products they can make, and in particular ones the old fogies at the company (and hence very experienced and sensible about not wanting needless effort) can enjoy using the products, too. Reduction and greater ease in tech support is a result of that, as well as avoiding unsustainable growth. Ecologically, constant growth is unstable and leads to collapse if nothing is done about stabilizing it. Essentially, Apple's computers have evolved the way computers were expected to evolve according to science fiction: self maintaining and self adjusting to the user. The mass of devices referred to as computers are actually an older, less capable species. As such, other companies make computers, Apple makes Macs.

So, get out of the present of rumors based on other companies shenanigans and get into the future with Apple's mindset and their actually product line over the decades. Pattern recognition guys.
 
Too much dependence on rumors based off of products from other companies instead of recognizing patterns based on Apple's products.
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Are you suggesting that Apple is creating a new multitouch input device on top of these 10" screens?

If so, that's an interesting thought, and you have some good insights re: the development pattern of Apple's products.

It's definitely something I've hoped for in the past and I'm sure Apple has at least considered the possibility given that they acquired Fingerworks and all that. But do you think the time is ripe for Apple to release such a product? There is still a lot of skepticism about touch screens in general, let alone touch keyboards. (Then again, I'd totally buy it)

Is it Sony that have a keyboard/mouse combo on the PS/2 controllers? You pass your hand over the keys and it acts like a trackpad, if I remember correctly. Apple keyboards would be perfect for that.
 
Apple will not make a touchscreen netbook because netbook = cheap and touchscreen netbook does not = cheap.

I think the quoted post has hit the nail on the head. I think that the folks expecting this to be an affordable (read: sub $700) item may be due for some disappointment.
 
Here's what I think it will have:

  • Single piece tablet, one screen
  • Multi-touch screen with digital keyboard
  • Bonus features: pressure sensitive screen and haptic feedback for typing
  • Emphasis on multimedia, photos, maps, watching videos, hand-writing notes, sketching
  • Optimized for HD video playback
  • Mono speaker
  • Line in, Line Out, one USB port, one display port, no ethernet jack
  • New smaller bluetooth keyboard sold separately for more intense typing.
  • $799 for the base model: 1GB RAM, 64GB SSD, wi-fi, bluetooth
  • $999 for better model: 2GB RAM, 128GB SSD, wi-fi, bluetooth, 3G
  • No cell phone function
  • 7 to 8 hr battery life
  • Battery non-removable
  • Low-power 64-bit CPU built just for Apple
  • Ships with Snow Leopard, but can use iPhone apps
  • Wireless docking
  • Accelerometer that reorients screen like the iPod Touch does
  • Will be called the iFondle (just kidding) most likely MacPad or iPad
 
Applezon

Also funny is that Amazon just introduced the Kindle app and when this tablet comes out that runs it, they are really going to be kicking themselves haha!

I'd imagine they'd be thinking....
"SSShhhweeet...."

That way kindle only ever has to be a book reader. No pressure to spread the R&D outside what really interests them. If people want book reader with more features they can sell them what ever Apple is offering up. I mean they get the customers into their store sell them eBooks and a Reader. They even get a better return selling people this new device over a kindle.

I'm wondering if the reason kindle app does allow direct buying is that there will be a Kindle Store app. in the iPhoneSL update as well as the new device.

Another one of those merger with merging things Apple likes working with companies that like to focus.
 
I don't think it'll just be a screen. That would be hard to use and the ergonomics would be uncomfortable for long periods of time. What would be more logical is having no touchpad, but only touchscreen AND a keyboard. It would still be small, but really there's no need for a touchpad if you make the touchscreen good enough.


Hm. I can see making a case that a touch screen netbook doesn't need a trackpad. I can also see in my mind a design where the hinge can go almost 360 degrees, so that you can fold it closed (keyboard and screen facing each other, like a normal netbook or laptop), open 90-135 degrees for regular typing, or open 360 degrees (for use as a tablet, with the keyboard disabled).

Maybe add a 3rd panel that is also hinged on the screen (opposite the keyboard) ... in "open laptop" mode, it can be used to brace the screen. In tablet mode, it protects the keyboard. And perhaps you can put it into a triangle configuration, like a kiosk. But that's just me brain storming... I doubt it'd make a completely useful, or aesthetic, design.

But a trackpad-less netbook, with touch screen, and 360 degree hinge... that could be interesting.
 
I think the quoted post has hit the nail on the head. I think that the folks expecting this to be an affordable (read: sub $700) item may be due for some disappointment.

it may have hit SOME nail on the head, but not the nail of TRUTH.

There already exist cheap netbooks (under $600) that have touch screens. The CTL 2Go Convertible Tablet Netbook. Gigabyte has a couple that I think are in that same price range.

Cheap does not contradict touch screen. Anyone who says it does hasn't done their homework.
 
it seems to me like a lot of Apple's recent GUI choices in Mac OS X have been geared towards the eventual introduction of a touch screen device using the full blown version of OS X. Things like the spring loaded stacks, almost completely useless if using a mouse, but I can imagine they might work quite well for a touch screen device. Also, coverflow appearing almost everywhere. Perfect for a less accurate touch based interface. There are others I've noticed but can't think of them off the top of my head right now

excellent observations. agree.
 
Here's what I think it will have:

  • Single piece tablet, one screen
  • Multi-touch screen with digital keyboard
  • Bonus features: pressure sensitive screen and haptic feedback for typing
  • Emphasis on multimedia, photos, maps, watching videos, hand-writing notes, sketching
  • Optimized for HD video playback
  • Mono speaker
  • Line in, Line Out, one USB port, one display port, no ethernet jack
  • New smaller bluetooth keyboard sold separately for more intense typing.
  • $799 for the base model: 1GB RAM, 64GB SSD, wi-fi, bluetooth
  • $999 for better model: 2GB RAM, 128GB SSD, wi-fi, bluetooth, 3G
  • No cell phone function
  • 7 to 8 hr battery life
  • Battery non-removable
  • Low-power 64-bit CPU built just for Apple
  • Ships with Snow Leopard, but can use iPhone apps
  • Wireless docking
  • Accelerometer that reorients screen like the iPod Touch does
  • Will be called the iFondle (just kidding) most likely MacPad or iPad

pretty good guess. i'm with you. or.. i'm hoping at least. i want something just like this. get rid of this annoying ibook i've had chained to the coffee table for three years! :D
 
it may have hit SOME nail on the head, but not the nail of TRUTH.

There already exist cheap netbooks (under $600) that have touch screens. The CTL 2Go Convertible Tablet Netbook. Gigabyte has a couple that I think are in that same price range.

Cheap does not contradict touch screen. Anyone who says it does hasn't done their homework.

And capacitive multi-touch screen..................??????? Very very very different than touch screen! :rolleyes:
 
I think the quoted post has hit the nail on the head. I think that the folks expecting this to be an affordable (read: sub $700) item may be due for some disappointment.

I think you may be wrong, but only if it has some built-in 3G connection and a subsidized rate. Otherwise, history says you're right. Apple took the MacBook, compressed it, slowed it down, zapped most of the ports, took out the optical drive, put the word "Air" after it, added $800 to the price and people flocked to it (apparently). I don't know what marketers figured that wizard idea out, but if there's a touchscreen device coming, they'll probably figure out how to get a few more schmucks to pay more for less. I'm hoping such a touchscreen netbook might actually be cheaper than a MacBook, but I doubt it.
 
pretty good guess. i'm with you. or.. i'm hoping at least. i want something just like this. get rid of this annoying ibook i've had chained to the coffee table for three years! :D

You both really think there will be a display port? of any sort? That doesn't seem like the function of a tablet type device. Just my guess.
 
It's for women

All the male geeks are thinking that devices have to be either pocket sized, or backpack/briefcase sized. That ignores the fact that a sizable demographic of iphone/touch customers are women. They have purses and handbags... something that can fit an object the size of a romance pocket novel. A 10" screen slate would be about an inch taller, but if thin enough, would still fit in that handbag. Pen tablets for men failed as products. Giant iPod Touch's for women will sell much better. No need for the older women to put on bifocals and squint at their iPhones.

Guys will still buy them, but let them rattle around in an oversized backpack and complain about the lack of a full-sized keyboard, because that's more "manly".

random ascii musings.
 
I have yet to see any explanation as to why people want a 10" tablet. Strikes me as people have been bitten by the touch screen bug and just think its what they need. I can't see, personally, how one would be that usable, especially if it ran a full blown OS X UI.
 
You guys should really stop with the rumor mill and start listening/thinking more. If Jobs says there is not going to be a netbook from Apple there is a very very slim chance that the company will go back on his word.
It also makes very little sense for Apple to introduce a small touchscreen computer. It does not fit into the product lineup and most of all the last time that Apple tried to enter the touchscreen business they got burned very bad ( newton was one of the worst Apple products of all times ).

The only thing that does make sense ( give all the recent changes in the lineup ) is that Apple is working on a multi touch/mouse replacement device. I am not really sure why they would go for an actual screen but I suppose that when you are working with a 10" surface and a 24" screen a plain touchpad is not a good idea since it'll make you feel kinda blind. Anyway, a touchscreen replacement for the mouse makes perfect sense especially considering the latest reduction of the keyboard footprint. Only time will tell but I personally expect Apple to come out with a new peripheral device that will bring multitouch to the desktop lineup.
 
I think the quoted post has hit the nail on the head. I think that the folks expecting this to be an affordable (read: sub $700) item may be due for some disappointment.
Yep. And apple products are usually more expensive than "comparable" PCs. The only way I see a sub-$700 device is if it runs some form (even an extended version) of iPhone OS.

You guys should really stop with the rumor mill and start listening/thinking more. If Jobs says there is not going to be a netbook from Apple there is a very very slim chance that the company will go back on his word.
Apple/Jobs also said there wouldn't be video on the iPod, there wouldn't be an Apple phone, Leopard wouldn't be delayed (from spring 2007), …
 
I think people need to stop calling this a netbook. The word netbook instills the idea of a small computer with a price tag of around £300-500. What the rumors point to is more of a tablet than a netbook and if people start expecting netbook prices they will be sorely disappointed.
 
All the male geeks are thinking that devices have to be either pocket sized, or backpack/briefcase sized.

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Guys will still buy them, but let them rattle around in an oversized backpack and complain about the lack of a full-sized keyboard, because that's more "manly".


Uh... I'm a male geek, and I've been arguing in favor of a middle size device (between pocketable and laptop) for ... 2 years (go look, I've made posts on these forums about it going back to 2 - 2.5 years, referencing the Samsung Q1 and Q1 Ultra tablets). A 7" to 10" screen Apple device is exactly what I've been arguing for.

And, not to put it in a full size laptop bag. To put it in a smaller gadget bag (I'm particularly fond of the Maxpedition "Gearslinger" and "Versipack" lines; I have the Collosus bag, which will hold a 7" or 9" device, but I just had to buy the Sitka bag to fit the 10" netbook I just bought).

In the same way that I don't want to lug around a dinosaur sized laptop, I also don't want to lug around a gear bag that's that huge either. I do OWN a laptop case that big, I just don't want to lug it around. I want something more nimble (before anyone makes a crack about not being strong enought to carry around something laptop size, it's entirely about volume, and not mass ... and it's not about me being a small guy, as I'm 6'3").
 
You both really think there will be a display port? of any sort? That doesn't seem like the function of a tablet type device. Just my guess.

A display port maybe not, but they will have video out to get presentations or video onto larger screens. iPT does it, why not Maxi-pod?
I think people need to stop calling this a netbook. The word netbook instills the idea of a small computer with a price tag of around £300-500. What the rumors point to is more of a tablet than a netbook and if people start expecting netbook prices they will be sorely disappointed.

This post is made of Lose and Bad. First, we don't have any idea what Apple is turning out, just major speculation. It could still turn out to be a mini-notebook meant to fit in the netbook range. Second, netbook as a word only encourages people's bias. A netbook could be $10,000 and it would still be a netbook. If Apple makes a netbook it will almost certainly be more than most all other netbooks on the market.

All we know is that this device has a 10" screen. Most likely it is a tablet due to the other rumors floating around for years, but Apple never fails to disappoint on expectations while delighting via the unexpected.
 
More of a classic netbook design

I reckon this design would be fantastic. You retain your keyboard, albeit a pathetically small one, you retain a touchpad (although, same deal). However, how would the touchscreen work on such a device?

Does anyone else think that the new wired keyboard bundled with the new iMacs could possibly be a sign of things to come in the netbook?

Then, there are the other suggestions saying that it's going to be like the iphone design wise: Just a flat screen with no keyboard. You would think, if they're going for the whole netbook market, there would have to be usb ports, and things like that. Would they still use the ipod-connector thing, or will it be a standalone machine? Will it be the full OS, or will it be a reduced version, like the iPhone?

All these questions and more, that I would love to see some replies to by the time I check back! :apple::apple::apple:
 
A netbook could be $10,000 and it would still be a netbook.

I don't agree. Netbooks have TWO constraints:

1) size (7" to 10ish" screen)
2) price ($300-$1000, and $1000 is really pushing it)

For example, the Fujitsu Lifebook U810 and U820 both fit the size category, but not the price category ... and no one really calls them "netbooks". They are definitely in the UMPC category, but not in the netbook category. Netbooks are minimalist designs, and have price tags that go with that.

A $10,000 tiny laptop is not a netbook.
 
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