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More privacy is just a even bigger green flag to criminals and other nefarious gang/groups/individuals to use Apple devices because Apple is basically saying 'Come criminals one and all, use Apple devices/services because we will protect your privacy and security'.
I sincerely doubt that the average criminal would make that decision just because the title is clear. They're usually very good at masking their meaning. So it wouldn't be "Break Johnny's kneecaps". It would be "Visit Johnny." :)
 
Apple designed and operates the icloud so why would they need to make this extra round of security on peoples own voice memo's? because only the person who uploaded the voice memo to the icloud has access to that account so why do they need to see their voice memo encrypted to such extreme levels? (yes is extreme in my opinion)

Is Apple basically saying to it's users that Apple does not have confidence in keeping it's own icloud secure from hacks so to keep their users data safe they are adding extra levels of encryption. With all this high level of encryption, who is Apple protecting it's users from? It's own employees? hackers?
 
Apple designed and operates the icloud so why would they need to make this extra round of security on peoples own voice memo's? because only the person who uploaded the voice memo to the icloud has access to that account so why do they need to see their voice memo encrypted to such extreme levels? (yes is extreme in my opinion)

Is Apple basically saying to it's users that Apple does not have confidence in keeping it's own icloud secure from hacks so to keep their users data safe they are adding extra levels of encryption. With all this high level of encryption, who is Apple protecting it's users from? It's own employees? hackers?
I think the point is that if Apple is presented with a subpoena for the recordings Apple will have that much less clear info that they can give up. It's a small tweak but significant.
 
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I think the point is that if Apple is presented with a subpoena for the recordings Apple will have that much less clear info that they can give up. It's a small tweak but significant.
that's a very very dodgy case if Apple are implementing the extra encryption so they thwart the wheels of justice (any country).
 
that's a very very dodgy case if Apple are implementing the extra encryption so they thwart the wheels of justice (any country).
I don't see it as being different from encrypting the recording in the first place. You seem to be looking at this from the perspective of a democracy doing "justice". But lots of journalists use the iPhone as a recorder for their work and keeping their data safe could be the difference between life and death in a less free country. Criminality is just one aspect of the debate.
 
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I don't see it as being different from encrypting the recording in the first place. You seem to be looking at this from the perspective of a democracy doing "justice". But lots of journalists use the iPhone as a recorder for their work and keeping their data safe could be the difference between life and death in a less free country. Criminality is just one aspect of the debate.
If journalists need to have their voice recordings protected then they, as with others who are in a profession that need voice communications protected, should use a device specifically built for that purpose. Companies that build products specifically for the consumer market and to be used by consumers should not be introducing privacy and security measures for the purpose of protecting those who are in a profession where voice communications need to be protected.
 
Unfortunately, if you are running a Mac with Monterey (and no ability to upgrade past it,) you end up with no way to view your memos by the file names created by the user any longer. Terribly frustrating and surprising to see a change with no ability to bypass or reset based on OS. Fortunately the version on iPad OS 17.0 shows the existing file names, but all around poor form on the part of the developers.
 
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If journalists need to have their voice recordings protected then they, as with others who are in a profession that need voice communications protected, should use a device specifically built for that purpose. Companies that build products specifically for the consumer market and to be used by consumers should not be introducing privacy and security measures for the purpose of protecting those who are in a profession where voice communications need to be protected.
Agreed. But hardened devices can be a lot pricier than an iPhone. If it's OK for the journalist to have encrypted everything then I don't see why I couldn't. Nobody wants to make being a criminal easier but the balance always has to tilt to protection for the average person.
 
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Unfortunately, if you are running a Mac with Monterey (and no ability to upgrade past it,) you end up with no way to view your memos by the file names created by the user any longer. Terribly frustrating and surprising to see a change with no ability to bypass or reset based on OS. Fortunately the version on iPad OS 17.0 shows the existing file names, but all around poor form on the part of the developers.
Oops. I think they forgot something.:oops:
 
Agreed. But hardened devices can be a lot pricier than an iPhone. If it's OK for the journalist to have encrypted everything then I don't see why I couldn't. Nobody wants to make being a criminal easier but the balance always has to tilt to protection for the average person.
If you are the only one that has access to your icloud account, why would you need your own voice memos encrypted if you are the only one capable of accessing them on icloud. It seems daft to me.
 
If you are the only one that has access to your icloud account, why would you need your own voice memos encrypted if you are the only one capable of accessing them on icloud. It seems daft to me.
I'm not talking about me in particular. Isn't the issue about bad actors getting access to a phones voice memos?
 
I'm not talking about me in particular. Isn't the issue about bad actors getting access to a phones voice memos?
You said if journalists can have then why couldn't you. I need this explored because I want to know why you want your own voice memos encrypted once they are uploaded to icloud given that you are the only one who has access to your icloud account. Asking the question is relevant because there is no real justification for consumers to have their voice memo's encrypted once they are on the icloud when it is only them that have access to their icloud account. Apple say they are doing it for privacy. If you and other consumers are the only ones with access to your icloud account, what is there to be private about you accessing your own voice memo's.

Apple is doing this for as reason and in my opinion there is no justification for it. If I was to make voice memo's, give them titles and are time and date stamped then decide I want them backed up to icloud, why do I need Apple to encrypt the voice memo so it removes the memo title on an account I am the only one that has access to? The answer is I don't. So my question is, why do you?
 
You said if journalists can have then why couldn't you. I need this explored because I want to know why you want your own voice memos encrypted once they are uploaded to icloud given that you are the only one who has access to your icloud account. Asking the question is relevant because there is no real justification for consumers to have their voice memo's encrypted once they are on the icloud when it is only them that have access to their icloud account. Apple say they are doing it for privacy. If you and other consumers are the only ones with access to your icloud account, what is there to be private about you accessing your own voice memo's.

Apple is doing this for as reason and in my opinion there is no justification for it. If I was to make voice memo's, give them titles and are time and date stamped then decide I want them backed up to icloud, why do I need Apple to encrypt the voice memo so it removes the memo title on an account I am the only one that has access to? The answer is I don't. So my question is, why do you?
I really think you're reading too much into my responses. I guess my point is that Apple simply should have encrypted everything for everybody. Leaving the filenames visible (probably easier for the filesystem to deal with) and then encrypting them later made people suspicious. For the record, I don't use the voice recorder so I don't have a dog in this hunt.
 
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