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Apple Now 'More Flexible', 'Less Arrogant' Reports France Telecom CEO
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Having worked closely with other telcos, I can vouch for Apple being overly strict and unreasonable about certain things. They could get away with that when they had no competition but they clearly have far less bargaining power now other operating systems and hardware providers have become more popular. This is a good thing. Competition should also spur innovation.
Lastly, there's some moronic comments in this thread. When did MacRumors turn into YouTube?
Lastly, there's some moronic comments in this thread. When did MacRumors turn into YouTube?
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Mr.damien
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What's the point ?
1. War has nothing to do with this topic.
2. People making fun of France on this news are unlikely to accept any arguments to stop doing so
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Ho yeah
while its all very interesting reading the replies, quotes etc.
Just a small thing, Im not all that interested in who's won the most wars ?
Whos arrogant? Ive lost track & I couldnt care less about France Telecom, Orange or any of it. Why on earth is this a "story".
As long as a "company" treats its customers the right way, what does it matter.
Just a small thing, Im not all that interested in who's won the most wars ?
Whos arrogant? Ive lost track
& I couldnt care less about France Telecom, Orange or any of it. Why on earth is this a "story".As long as a "company" treats its customers the right way, what does it matter.
I'm curious as to if you actually have personal experience with both, or are just going off of public opinion on one or the other (or both).
The AT&T comments always amuse me. Verizon is just as bad, if not worse. Try upgrading your iPhone 4 to an iPhone 5 on Verizon and keeping your unlimited plan. Hope you have about $700 ready.
If a phone company executive is happier, it only means bad news for everyone else.
Let's go back to the days when the greedy, monopolistic phone companies conspired with the handset manufacturers to make more money and provide hobbled services at the expense of the consumer.
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You say that as if there really is such thing as an unlimited plan on AT&T. And yes, I've had experience with AT&T. Ten+ years of experience, before the blight that is Cingular took them over. Never again.
Let's go back to the days when the greedy, monopolistic phone companies conspired with the handset manufacturers to make more money and provide hobbled services at the expense of the consumer.
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You say that as if there really is such thing as an unlimited plan on AT&T. And yes, I've had experience with AT&T. Ten+ years of experience, before the blight that is Cingular took them over. Never again.
I was going to say; Less arrogant than the French? I guess that's OK.
But yours was better
Is it arrogance in the first place?
Imagine an iPhone with carrier bloatware all over it. Imagine an iOS device forcing you to a carrier's landing page every time you opened up Safari. I think Apple knows what it want's in its products and they stick to their guns. That can be mistaken as arrogance, I think they just know what their product is and they know how to deliver it. They look for partners to help with this, but with some things they will not bend and they are willing to to walk away from those that do not help them promote their product their way.
Look at the release of the iPhone. How many carriers told Apple no they aren't going to carry the iPhone because Apple is asking too much. One carrier, AT&T decided to give Apple what they asked. How well did it work out for AT&T? I think Apple knows how to deliver quality and are confident enough in their products to shoot down the bad ideas of marketers, salesman and partners.
Well here in England we are well used to their favourite world "Non"!
and i always thought the French held the patent on arrogance!
Wha?
WOW, must be French, as most French, Clueless.
Not making fun, just stating fact..ho hum
WOW, must be French, as most French, Clueless.
Not making fun, just stating fact..ho hum
List like a lot of the unnecessary articles posted here. it's all fun to read though. So on that respect both have their place here.
Or be like Australia. Which has never caused a war of it's own. And the only once did the country to go a war not helping others 100%. That was WW2 when the Japanese wanted to invade Australia. That happened after we went in to help the British, US and everyone else.
Started many of them too, so not sure of your point. Of recent history though, they handed Hitler the keys to Paris and pretty much started the Vietnam war and left the mess to the U.S. so there is that.
What a bizarre story. What do I care if some French telecom guy thinks Apple is now less arrogant? Anyone who would go on record with such a back-handed compliment is a bit of a yutz.
Telecom CEOs of any nationality are often quite arrogant themselves. Is someone going to go on record when telecom CEOs suddenly become somewhat less so? Apple should post a web page documenting it.
Telecom CEOs of any nationality are often quite arrogant themselves. Is someone going to go on record when telecom CEOs suddenly become somewhat less so? Apple should post a web page documenting it.
What idiots like him don't understand is that the reason for the success Apple had (FOR HIS COMPANY) is because of how they did things. He thinks Apple is becoming more like everyone else, and he thinks "it's nice?" Well, it means nothing but bad news for his business... he already carries 40 other smartphones that suck and bow to price and consumer demand. He doesn't need another. He needs the one that DOESN'T do that.
Withdrawing the iPhone would probably not be a good idea. Orange is one of the biggest telecom's in the world, and have at least 90 million customers in Europe alone (including EE in the UK).
Apple do have the cash to buy them, although I imagine it would cost them far more than they would be willing to pay.
Jumping in here, I have lots of experience on all the U.S. carriers. Sprint and T-Mobile have always treated me best, by far, compared to Verizon and AT&T. I was very disappointed that Apple initially went with AT&T, then AT&T and Verizon.
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I agree that you do have an important point here. Apple did get what it wanted from AT&T, and, in some ways it did benefit customers. But, not in the pocketbook, not in coverage at the time, not in customer service.
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syd430
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The day apple lets these carriers put their branding and bloatware all over iPhones is the day I'm ditching Apple.
It seems that everyday, apples goals become more and more about the short-term rather than long term profits .
It seems that everyday, apples goals become more and more about the short-term rather than long term profits .
I only had to read the first paragraph for this
Apple isn't supposed to hop on the bandwagon. They're supposed to start it.
And.... Orange. Wonder where they got that idea from
I wonder when someone will start a company called Banana?
And 50 years later, they seem to have learned a lot more from the Vietnam war than we did.