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By using the phrases global and 100% in a single sentence, the author commits himself to assessment on a worldwide scale. In that respect, singular attention for brown power in a particular single office in Brazil is micro assessment. Nice but incomplete.
And misleading, as thousands of premises in classical buildings and shopping malls all over the World all consume to brown energy for heating, so a true global assessment shouldn’t be Brazil-only.
Apple employees in cars worldwide also use brown energy, employees flying across the world use brown energy (T. Cook as a frequent flyer should know that...), employees eating meat for lunch do.
Apple compensates that, which is the best they can do, but the fact that they trade those brown energy units for solar in another part of the world implies that they practice compensation (which does NOT have a negative connotation for me, because I couldn’t figure how to do that any different)
On the other hand, when denying that compensation as it happens in the single headline, this becomes greenwashing which is misleading.
Adding the word “equivalence” could repair that - which is just as elementary as necessary as an addition in such a comprehensive statement.
This is not my personal assessment, this is how the ECN in the Netherlands and int’l energy agencies consider it.

Nope. Please find a single instance where the electricity or certificate Apple is claiming against hasn’t come from a renewable source that Apple does not own or have long term investment in.

Greenwashing implies they are less environmentally-friendly than claimed. Recall 1) Apple’s article is only about electricity and makes no other claim otherwise (talk of meat, flights, etc are therefore irrelevant), and 2) the title on Fast Company does not constitute a claim by Apple, and is most likely written by somebody other than even the author of the article. If there is equivalency, then the fungability of electricity combined with Apple’s pursuit of additionality makes this no less green, and hence not greenwashing.

Where’s this classification from the Netherlands that you keep alluding to?
 
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Thx for yr support.
Be welcome to participate...

I don't know if I can, after all that's been said. Yeah may be the easy button but I have to work this weekend so... :/ not as free as I'd like to be to offer intelligent discussion to what you two are already doing. Hence the thanks for doing the heavy lifting.

I just know the world loves to celebrate the "Green" when in reality, it's hardly green as it should be. 100% solar is never 100% solar - yet. Until we have batteries collecting the excess of megawatts of solar/wind so we can truly be 100% green, then, we are not 100% green - coal, natural gas, etc... will keep homes / businesses running after the sun goes down and always be hooked up as primary means of powering important things like data centers, even if there are megawatts of solar outside dumping power into the grid.

Educating people about how there are higher load times - http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx --- if we all did our washer/dryers in the morning and charged our phones/tablets in the morning or with solar ($50+ on Amazon) - we could all make a noticeable dent in being "green" - heck just putting a bucket in your shower to flush the toilet once a day x 100+ million people would make a huge difference, yet people can't be bothered.
 
Nope. Please find a single instance where the electricity or certificate Apple is claiming against hasn’t come from a renewable source that Apple does not own or have long term investment in.
Greenwashing implies they are less environmentally-friendly than claimed. Recall 1) Apple’s article is only about electricity and makes no other claim otherwise (talk of meat, flights, etc are therefore irrelevant), and 2) the title on Fast Company does not constitute a claim by Apple, and is most likely written by somebody other than even the author of the article. If there is equivalency, then the fungability of electricity combined with Apple’s pursuit of additionality makes this no less green, and hence not greenwashing.
Where’s this classification from the Netherlands that you keep alluding to?
That was made by their tech. assessement Dept. cross-referencing the Fast article and the Apple Responsibility report. I am not asking them to make a report for the purpose of a MR discussion but they will follow Apple closely in the NL.
The Fast report references the word energy 82 times and there is no single reference nor restriction to electricity-only. That distinction is uncommon, and makes it a sinister claim - as so many companies are green in that respect (e.g. by just selecting green electricity providers)
Coincidentally, you’re quite alone it that interpretation.
Whether right or not, that electricity-only distinction should have been referenced in the title.
Nobody believes such an elementary nomenclature mismatch to happen - even in a lunchroom publication - as they interviewed and listened to Lisa Jackson in such detailed way
Whether it’s is an anomaly, or a PR-reverberation, using this title makes it either verbal greenwashing or an outright falsification, formally.
 
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I don't know if I can, after all that's been said. Yeah may be the easy button but I have to work this weekend so... :/ not as free as I'd like to be to offer intelligent discussion to what you two are already doing. Hence the thanks for doing the heavy lifting.

I just know the world loves to celebrate the "Green" when in reality, it's hardly green as it should be. 100% solar is never 100% solar - yet. Until we have batteries collecting the excess of megawatts of solar/wind so we can truly be 100% green, then, we are not 100% green - coal, natural gas, etc... will keep homes / businesses running after the sun goes down and always be hooked up as primary means of powering important things like data centers, even if there are megawatts of solar outside dumping power into the grid.

Educating people about how there are higher load times - http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx --- if we all did our washer/dryers in the morning and charged our phones/tablets in the morning or with solar ($50+ on Amazon) - we could all make a noticeable dent in being "green" - heck just putting a bucket in your shower to flush the toilet once a day x 100+ million people would make a huge difference, yet people can't be bothered.

For sure, 100% renewables for the grid as a whole is a long way off. But with green power, it doesn't matter when you generate the power and when you use it. Putting electricity into the grid isn't un-green. Electricity grids are closed systems, and by-and-large anything put in gets used by somebody. Other generators will then need to put less into the system than they otherwise would have.
The round-trip efficiency of batteries is around 80%, which would be less efficient than having your neighbours use your solar power. Batteries themselves are also not very green.
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That was made by their tech. assessement Dept. cross-referencing the Fast article and the Apple Responsibility report. I am not asking them to make a report for the purpose of a MR discussion but they will follow Apple closely in the NL.
The Fast report references the word energy 82 times and there is no single reference nor restriction to electricity-only. That distinction is uncommon, and makes it a sinister claim - as so many companies are green in that respect (e.g. by just selecting green electricity providers)
Coincidentally, you’re quite alone it that interpretation.
Whether right or not, that electricity-only distinction should have been referenced in the title.
Nobody believes such an elementary nomenclature mismatch to happen - even in a lunchroom publication - as they interviewed and listened to Lisa Jackson in such detailed way
Whether it’s is an anomaly, or a PR-reverberation, using this title makes it either verbal greenwashing or an outright falsification, formally.

As said several times, The Fast Company does not represent Apple. They are not Apple. So anything that could be construed as misleading, is completely irrelevant to Apple's claims (and not that there's much there for you to go on anway - a wrong word in a title, woopdidoo. In context of the whole article it is obvious that this is a mistake to any reasonable person). Reference Apple's report only if you want to pursue false claims on energy as a whole. As I've already pointed out in painstakingly simple terms, there is no way you could interpret Apple's story as being about anything but electricity.

Here goes, an analysis of the term 'energy' in the Fast Company article, with frequency and context for where the meaning isn't clear without it. The only usage in the entire article that could be construed to apply to energy other than electricity is in the title.

1 energy-wonk jargon
1 sun's energy
1 solar energy
8 green energy
4 green-energy
10 clean energy
30 renewable energy
3 NV Energy
15 energy projects

" to build new solar or wind farms that pump new green power onto the public grid. Jackson told me Apple especially likes to do this in markets where the majority of the existing energy comes from ecologically unfriendly sources like coal or oil. “It’s an approach that’s really important because you’re growing the clean energy market around you,” she says."

"reducing their energy costs"

"energy industry"

"After looking to local energy providers for renewable sources"

"made it possible for big power consumers to buy energy directly from a third-party renewable energy provider"

"increase energy prices for all power customers"

"While Apple is playing a leading role in building out green-energy infrastructure, in the end it’s a maker of computing hardware, software, and services, not an energy company."

"Now that renewable energies are more mainstream and the cost of the energy is far lower"

"green-energy companies are willing to take on greater roles and risk in building new energy projects"

"gives Apple low and predictable energy rates for years into the future"

"And it’s only going to need more of that energy. Apple’s services business is growing quickly, and so will the number and size of its data centers."

"It’s more complicated than that, because of the nature of today’s energy markets"

"It turns out RECs (like carbon credits) can be sold independent of the energy itself"

"floating solar farm that will generate more energy than the company uses for Apple manufacturing"

"keeping its RECs closely associated with actual energy"

"more dependent on internet services than Apple’s, they buy far more energy than Apple does"

"Institute for Energy and the Environment"

"Foxconn, which uses more energy than any other Apple supplier"

"prepare for a time when coal and oil are no longer tolerable (or even available) energy sources"

"optimistic about energy’s renewable future"

"I don’t see anything that’s going to stop the trajectory toward lower-carbon energy worldwide"​

I'm completely bored of this conversation. I have nothing else to add.
 
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I don't know if I can, after all that's been said. Yeah may be the easy button but I have to work this weekend so... :/ not as free as I'd like to be to offer intelligent discussion to what you two are already doing. Hence the thanks for doing the heavy lifting.

I just know the world loves to celebrate the "Green" when in reality, it's hardly green as it should be. 100% solar is never 100% solar - yet. Until we have batteries collecting the excess of megawatts of solar/wind so we can truly be 100% green, then, we are not 100% green - coal, natural gas, etc... will keep homes / businesses running after the sun goes down and always be hooked up as primary means of powering important things like data centers, even if there are megawatts of solar outside dumping power into the grid.

Educating people about how there are higher load times - http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx --- if we all did our washer/dryers in the morning and charged our phones/tablets in the morning or with solar ($50+ on Amazon) - we could all make a noticeable dent in being "green" - heck just putting a bucket in your shower to flush the toilet once a day x 100+ million people would make a huge difference, yet people can't be bothered.
Of course you can and I agree towards the trendy aspect that leads to “green pretension” as a side effect.
I am not saying that relates to Apple but under the Cook leadership there is a tendency to flood the world with good news-only (whether about sociability, the environment, economic exploitation) where sometimes they aren’t even half-way. But with their commercial success they can buy the word and certainly the PR to fade out bad news and second thoughts.
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For sure, 100% renewables for the grid as a whole is a long way off. But with green power, it doesn't matter when you generate the power and when you use it. Putting electricity into the grid isn't un-green. Electricity grids are closed systems, and by-and-large anything put in gets used by somebody. Other generators will then need to put less into the system than they otherwise would have.
The round-trip efficiency of batteries is around 80%, which would be less efficient than having your neighbours use your solar power. Batteries themselves are also not very green.
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As said several times, The Fast Company does not represent Apple. They are not Apple. So anything that could be construed as misleading, is completely irrelevant to Apple's claims (and not that there's much there for you to go on anway - a wrong word in a title, woopdidoo. In context of the whole article it is obvious that this is a mistake to any reasonable person). Reference Apple's report only if you want to pursue false claims on energy as a whole. As I've already pointed out in painstakingly simple terms, there is no way you could interpret Apple's story as being about anything but electricity.

Here goes, an analysis of the term 'energy' in the Fast Company article, with frequency and context for where the meaning isn't clear without it. The only usage in the entire article that could be construed to apply to energy other than electricity is in the title.

1 energy-wonk jargon
1 sun's energy
1 solar energy
8 green energy
4 green-energy
10 clean energy
30 renewable energy
3 NV Energy
15 energy projects

" to build new solar or wind farms that pump new green power onto the public grid. Jackson told me Apple especially likes to do this in markets where the majority of the existing energy comes from ecologically unfriendly sources like coal or oil. “It’s an approach that’s really important because you’re growing the clean energy market around you,” she says."

"reducing their energy costs"

"energy industry"

"After looking to local energy providers for renewable sources"

"made it possible for big power consumers to buy energy directly from a third-party renewable energy provider"

"increase energy prices for all power customers"

"While Apple is playing a leading role in building out green-energy infrastructure, in the end it’s a maker of computing hardware, software, and services, not an energy company."

"Now that renewable energies are more mainstream and the cost of the energy is far lower"

"green-energy companies are willing to take on greater roles and risk in building new energy projects"

"gives Apple low and predictable energy rates for years into the future"

"And it’s only going to need more of that energy. Apple’s services business is growing quickly, and so will the number and size of its data centers."

"It’s more complicated than that, because of the nature of today’s energy markets"

"It turns out RECs (like carbon credits) can be sold independent of the energy itself"

"floating solar farm that will generate more energy than the company uses for Apple manufacturing"

"keeping its RECs closely associated with actual energy"

"more dependent on internet services than Apple’s, they buy far more energy than Apple does"

"Institute for Energy and the Environment"

"Foxconn, which uses more energy than any other Apple supplier"

"prepare for a time when coal and oil are no longer tolerable (or even available) energy sources"

"optimistic about energy’s renewable future"

"I don’t see anything that’s going to stop the trajectory toward lower-carbon energy worldwide"​

I'm completely bored of this conversation. I have nothing else to add.

I don’t claim that Fast = Apple.
Fast is whatever it is but if it can’t use the right nomenclature it shouldn’t make these normative claims or do these publications. Your citations only add to the notion that they refer to multi-modal energy in a broader sense than just electricity:

“It’s more complicated than that, because of the nature of today’s energy markets" => for just electricity that would be less complicated: just add more solar overcapacity, as they already have.
"It turns out RECs (like carbon credits) can be sold independent of the energy itself" => RECs refer to brown energy compensation - hence a more comprehensive energy perspective than electricity-only (which doesn’t need to be compensated when 100% green)
"floating solar farm that will generate more energy than the company uses for Apple manufacturing" => that inclusion makes electricity-only unrealistic as manufacturing requires better 24/7 contingency than wind & solar can offer.
"keeping its RECs closely associated with actual energy" => same as RECs above
"Institute for Energy and the Environment" => certainly more comprehensive than electr-only
"prepare for a time when coal and oil are no longer tolerable (or even available) energy sources" => refers to fossil energy and RECs => that inclusion means not electricity-only
"optimistic about energy’s renewable future" "I don’t see anything that’s going to stop the trajectory toward lower-carbon energy worldwide" => in analysis that is electricity-only with full greenification achieved, there would be nothing left to improve (at 100% green). Inconsistent with improvement expectancy.

Your analysis seems to prove exactly the opposite of what you’re saying, unfortunately.
There isn’t single ocurrence/indication of “electricity only” in anything you brought up to date.
If you have nothing to add, we better leave it to what it is: a headline that went wrong and became misleading - in an article that’s hardly better...
 
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