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Apple Now Ranked as Fifth Largest Global PC Vendor Due to Price Cuts, Improved Demand
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Well, iPad has much more power and software tools than my original mac, LC630. It has display, CPU and GPU, OS and can have keyboard, use stylus and have video and audio output.
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I would say not Windows-based, but PC-based CPU as any Intel can work with Linux and increasingly with Macs.
I've always had this feeling too. I know Apple has shifted it's focus towards mobile devices, but I think that deep down, it's still all about the Mac.
So you are correlating someone's opinion on the usefulness of the iPad to whether the iPad was included in the sales figures for Apple computers. Sounds like you are making a incorrect assumption or reading too much into the response made to the original poster. Maybe you need not try so hard to read between the lines to find an answer that does not exist.
No thanks - i wouldn't want to buy windows - its something I wouldn't use ( I already have Windows 8 on a VM ) and adds extra cost.
Maybe Apple should give Windows as an option extra when buying from the on line store.
The significance of this news is that Apple climbed to 5th place in global (not just USA) PC market position.
That's a big deal, because it implies that Macs (from desktop iMacs to laptops) are increasingly being purchased by customers and nations outside the USA.
My theory? This is a delayed iPhone halo effect for non-US customers. (i.e. the idea that iPhone is the gateway drug, etc) For example, we could say that the increased popularity of iPhones in a country like China . has resulted in the Chinese people warming up to the idea that they should also buy their first Mac computers.
That's a big deal, because it implies that Macs (from desktop iMacs to laptops) are increasingly being purchased by customers and nations outside the USA.
My theory? This is a delayed iPhone halo effect for non-US customers. (i.e. the idea that iPhone is the gateway drug, etc) For example, we could say that the increased popularity of iPhones in a country like China . has resulted in the Chinese people warming up to the idea that they should also buy their first Mac computers.
When Microsoft finally makes a new Office 2015, Macs will sell even more 'cause they're great. The software is way less expensive on Macs, but the quality is higher at the same time, thanks to OS X' frameworks... as more businesses realize that, the more bucks they will save.
It's more about profit margins than sheer volume. If you are shifting 3 times as many but only make $1 a unit apposed to $100 then you aren't really in fith place....
Land Rover didn't used to sell all that many Range Rovers in the early 2000's but the markup was described to me as "astonishing".
Land Rover didn't used to sell all that many Range Rovers in the early 2000's but the markup was described to me as "astonishing".
I teach at a state university in Pennsylvania, and my casual observation suggests Apple has made major gains in the education market. When I started teaching at my current institution (2008), I'd say 1 out of 10 computers I saw students using was a MacBook (the white unibody). This year, I see about five MacBooks (Airs/Pros) for every one PC. Granted, my observations are limited to student common areas and the classroom, but it still represents a drastic shift in education penetration over the last 6 years.
Still, Macs (iMacs) are not cost-effective at the university-level. Our computer replacement cycle is every four years, which negates any long-term savings that a Mac's higher reliability may generate. I believe the university pays around $600 for the standard Lenovo All-in-One PC (Intel Core i3 8GB 240GB Win7) that faculty receive and is placed in the majority of labs. I believe the base iMac costs the university $1000, which is why it requires a special request for faculty to get Macs in their offices.
As an aside, the university deferred our computer replacement for an additional year to skip over Windows 8.
Still, Macs (iMacs) are not cost-effective at the university-level. Our computer replacement cycle is every four years, which negates any long-term savings that a Mac's higher reliability may generate. I believe the university pays around $600 for the standard Lenovo All-in-One PC (Intel Core i3 8GB 240GB Win7) that faculty receive and is placed in the majority of labs. I believe the base iMac costs the university $1000, which is why it requires a special request for faculty to get Macs in their offices.
As an aside, the university deferred our computer replacement for an additional year to skip over Windows 8.
if it was not obvious.... The title of this thread includes "PC Vendor"
since ipad is a toy, NOT PC, hence not included. this should be clear now?
Conversely, Apple's year-on-year growth was less than that of three of the four manufacturers ahead of them.
The most interesting thing about the global sales figures is the collapse of 'others'. From 31.7m units to 26.0m units in the course of a single year is spectacular.
Lenovo holds number 1 Globally thanks to their "ties" to IBM in the PC/Portable Market. Now that they have acquired the rest of IBM hardware's business (Servers, etc.) they will take a further lead.
In the U.S. things are different. HP has a better reputation (Still!!! Thank Compaq for that), Dell stealing positions to reach first place.
Considering that we live in a "PC" society, for Apple to be in the third place in the U.S. and Fifth Place Globally is a huge milestone. Thank you for this goes to Windows 8 and the popularity of iOS Devices.
Basically, iOS has made OS X more popular.
In the U.S. things are different. HP has a better reputation (Still!!! Thank Compaq for that), Dell stealing positions to reach first place.
Considering that we live in a "PC" society, for Apple to be in the third place in the U.S. and Fifth Place Globally is a huge milestone. Thank you for this goes to Windows 8 and the popularity of iOS Devices.
Basically, iOS has made OS X more popular.
The average person isn't building a computer. They're looking for something economical to do their task and not sell their soul doing it. I'm not taking away from Apple as I have an IP6+, ipad2, Apple tv, and iPod nano. The MacPro may not have the "best" but it surely can probably do soo much more than the average PC which is costly.
Economical if they have money to burn--or no choice.
Macs cost less in the long run: they last longer (so you buy fewer), stay fast and stable longer, have lower support costs, and great resale value. These are concrete, measurable facts, and they save you big bucks.
Add up the TCO of Macs and Windows PCs, and you'll find you can get nicely-spec'd Macs for cheaper than low-end PCs that will bog down next year.
And if you compare ALL specs without cherry-picking, Macs haven't been more expensive than PCs for years. Sometimes they're much cheaper, sometimes a little more, but generally right in the same ballpark as other name-brand PCs of similar specs. Apple simply has no low-end "throwaway" machines in the lineup, making the average price higher. (The iPad is a great PC in that low-end price category--but a different kind of PC obviously. Suitable for many people, all the same!)
I've recommended those throwaway PCs (low-end Dells) to friends who had no choice: out of work, need something to send resumes from, whatever the case may be. I regret it. They got what they paid for
So you're suggesting that the average person just dig in their pocket juuuust a lil bit deeper to get the product that will be more cost effective in the long run. Good luck on trying to convince the masses on that. People are watching their pennies, bills and everything else. Some people just don't have it.
The average Mac is over 1K while the average PC is under 1K. I have a PC and it has been with and going strong since 2009/2010 or so. I'll probably get a Mac next but it ONLY out of desire and not the need for such high performance.
You're living in the past, my friend. I work in one of those giant corporations. Five years ago it was Windows-only; now all the corporate applications live in the Cloud, IT barely cares what kind of PC you have, and half of the desktops are MacOS-- and IT approves new OS X versions within a couple of weeks of release. And as far as the low end PC market is concerned, that's being eroded, rapidly, by tablets-- why do you think the MS Surface suddenly grabbed 10% of the tablet space?
I did the math out of curiousity. Macs make up about 11.33% of global spending on PCs.. So a bit over 10%, but far from 20%. 17.8% of US spending on PCs.
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Total include Apple, and others are all the rest that didn't get their own slot.
