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JosephAW

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Not only special APIs but devs kept out of store from using special machine level code that can be much faster than some of Apple’s APIs.
 
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MobiusStrip

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Think what you might about Apple's app-store policies, but Apple is not a monopoly. Cable companies are far closer to being a monopoly than Apple. TicketMaster is a nearly textbook example of a monopoly, and a consumer-harming one at that... yet the government has ignored them for decades.

Suing Apple for wasting developers' time (and money) with nebulous or false statements and underhanded secret deals might be viable, but attacking them for generally exercising control of their own app store is bull****.
 

MobiusStrip

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Not only special APIs but devs kept out of store from using special machine level code that can be much faster than some of Apple’s APIs.
Which can break on a moment's notice because they're not supposed to be public. So that complaint is dumb. A better complaint would be how developers are blocked from accessing the I/O port and from accessing telephony functions.
 

cyb3rdud3

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I really like Apple hardware. I hate their attitude, their hypocrisy, their we know best mindset. It constantly amazes me at the lengths their fanboys go to defend the indefensible.
And what is indefensible here? Do you give access to all your apis to all your partners/developers?
 
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Yes, developers are treated equally if they simply go sign up for a developer account, pay your $99/year, create an app, and start selling on the App Store. However, if a larger more influential developer goes to speak with Apple directly than it is possible a different deal can be made.
I guess it all depends on how you define "are". 🤣
 

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When you take the expression to an extreme, there are definitely always “lies” in it. Is it really possible for a developer in Iran or China to get the same privilege as the developers in the US.?
No one took the expression to the extreme. That is a direct quote.
 
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So far, Epic is absolutely bombing this case big time.

that being said, after Apple wins this case, expect another congressional hearing after this case, and this time, I think Justice Department may get involved into anti-trust case.
More popcorn!
 

CthuluLemon

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It’s another one of those tough positions for Apple to be in. There are certain companies that Apple wants / needs to have on the App Store because they do in fact drive a lot of traffic and potentially revenue, so Apple has to offer some special consideration in order to get the benefit of having that app in the system. Can anyone imagine not having the Amazon app on iOS - the relationship has to be great for both companies.

For Epic, it’s sad that they couldn’t get some kind of exception from Apple, but it doesn’t sound like they were getting exceptions from other stores either, so Apple wasn’t acting outside the norm, and you have to believe Apple knew this.

It’s much like when you sell a product to Walmart, you have to sign an agreement that you will not sell to anyone else at a lower rate than what you’re charging Walmart, which most companies sign without thinking about it, given the volume that Walmart does. You’re not going to sell your widgit to Bob’s General Store at a lower rate, or even at the same rate, as what you’re selling to Walmart at, because Bob just isn’t going to generate the same kind of revenue that Walmart does.

As someone who sells to Walmart, that demand is not as common as you think. Walmart isn't going to tell us how we do business with Target or Amazon, and we do our best to hide our pricing so they can't pull crap like this. Sure there are fights over discounts/promos/etc. and they'll get all up in arms when they see CVS has a BOGO deal one week or something, but ultimately Walmart doesn't get to set our prices unless it's on Walmart's shelf. Costs of doing business vary depending on which retailer we sell to, and our pricing has to reflect those differences. At most, they ask to shave a couple pennies off of our MSRP.

Target tried to get us to stop selling to Amazon a decade back, threatening not to buy anything we also sold to Amazon; we all but laughed in their faces. Big Box retailers don't have that kind of power anymore.
 
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The_Gream

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My goodness- some people just never learn. People get all upset because some developers have access to whitelisted APIs that others don’t have. Yes, Apple says they treat all developers the same. YET!!!! Apple is notorious for developing products for years and years. Apple has a history of restricting features for both their software and hardware. It’s the massive pink elephant in the room and always has been and always will be. Just relax and breath.

And why do they restrict stuff? To hopefully get it right before it hits the masses who will foam at the mouth looking and tweeting and FBing all the problems.
 
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DblHelix

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Today is the fourth day of the Epic Games v. Apple legal battle, and documents shared in the trial continue to give us insight into the App Store and Apple's business practices.

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App Store Vice President Matt Fischer is on the stand answering questions from Apple and Epic lawyers, and one of the emails shared as evidence confirms that Apple has established special deals with major app developers like Hulu.

In 2018, a tweet from developer David Barnard commented about App Store subscriptions being automatically cancelled through the StoreKit API, questioning why there hadn't been more offers to swap billing away from the App Store.

Matt Fischer asked Cindy Lin about it, and she explained that Hulu is a developer with special access to a subscription cancel/refund API.Apple does not further detail who other developers with special access might have been in the correspondence, but these are not features that all developers have access to.

Apple has long said that the App Store provides a "level playing field" that treats all apps in the App Store the same with one set of rules for everybody and no special deals or special terms, but it's clear that some apps are indeed provided with special privileges.


Fischer was asked specifically whether Apple has given some developers special access to allow them to do things that other developers don't get to do, and Fischer said no, but he said that Apple sometimes wants to test a feature with a small group before providing it to all developers.


Prior to when Epic Games implemented its own purchase options and kicked off this entire legal battle, Epic CEO Tim Sweeney asked Apple for a special deal that would allow it to bypass the in-app purchase system, which Apple denied. Just this week Sweeney also said that he would have accepted special terms from Apple for lower App Store commission.

Article Link: Apple Offered Special App Store API Access to Hulu and Other Developers
So, basic data sharing agreement. Nothing to see here.
 

smulji

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Disagree. I think a lot more people now see what is really going on.
Yes they do but it isn’t as bad as a handful of developers make it out to be. Apple will probably have to make some concessions but definitely not opening up iOS or iPadOS to 3rd party app stores.
 
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Graphikos

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Disagree. I think a lot more people now see what is really going on.
Overall the general public has no idea what is "really going on" or even a single clue, nor do they care. Go ask people on the street and see if they've even heard of the Apple vs Epic trail or what it's about or what Phil Schiller said in 2012. Not much will change unless Apple is forced to.. and even then most people still won't care.

PS. Did you know you can quote multiple posts and respond to them all without making 6 separate posts?
 
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bb9

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I really find Sweeney to be really whiny.
lf you do not like the rental price tag, go somewhere else.
Games are not songs or movies.
 

dwaite

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I feel like whether Apple wins or loses the Epic case, they’re still going to have to make major changes to the App Store based on the info coming out.
Unfortunately, anticipated regulatory pressure will limit their desire to make their own changes before talking to regulators.
 
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