Yes. PCI-E is 500MB/s per lane. Thunderbolt's 10Gb/s is transported using the much, much bigger PCI-E bus
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Apple Offers Developers a Closer Look at the New Mac Pro
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Yes. PCI-E is 500MB/s per lane. Thunderbolt's 10Gb/s is transported using the much, much bigger PCI-E bus
I'd like to see how innovative some of these expansion solutions can get. Where do you put them? Will Apple offer their own, with matching design? I have a feeling this could be cool, but kind of a spaghetti mess of wires without the huge tower to hide them. Also, what good is spinning it around if the power cord (or anything else attached) is just going to prohibit movement. I can see myself knocking over everything on my desk. A couple of ports in the front would have been nice. Don't get me wrong, I wanted a new Mac Pro, and I'm not disappointed - just as long as it is powerful!
I can't wait to see the keyboard for this either! I don't care if it's wireless only, but I hope Apple offers it in a full sized version too.
I can't wait to see the keyboard for this either! I don't care if it's wireless only, but I hope Apple offers it in a full sized version too.
It's kind of baffling to see so many people embrace this flawed design and claim it as technological progress. Sure it's a faster machine than the current Mac Pro. Not really a hard thing to do when the former Mac Pro hasn't seen a reasonable update in 3yrs.
Today's announcement simply gave us a new Mac Pro with a shorter life span and vastly more expensive upgrade options. That's what bricking your graphics card** and making every possible upgrade an external option does - I don't see how so many people rationalize that as a win for the consumer.
In fact I'm a bit disappointed that more people that have been waiting so long to spend their money on this aren't more upset that they have to spend it on something that will give them less and more expensive milage than previous Mac Pro models. I guess that's when you can tell if branding works.
**And we all know how fast Apple is at updating the graphics card options on the Mac Pro don't we. Excitement now is surely frustration in 18months time when the next iteration is the same card for the same price only this time there's no way to take it out and replace it with something else.
Today's announcement simply gave us a new Mac Pro with a shorter life span and vastly more expensive upgrade options. That's what bricking your graphics card** and making every possible upgrade an external option does - I don't see how so many people rationalize that as a win for the consumer.
In fact I'm a bit disappointed that more people that have been waiting so long to spend their money on this aren't more upset that they have to spend it on something that will give them less and more expensive milage than previous Mac Pro models. I guess that's when you can tell if branding works.
**And we all know how fast Apple is at updating the graphics card options on the Mac Pro don't we. Excitement now is surely frustration in 18months time when the next iteration is the same card for the same price only this time there's no way to take it out and replace it with something else.
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I used to bulls-eye wamprats back home, they weren't much bigger than two meters...
This GPU isn't going to be upgraded for a while since the monitors it drives isn't a price point for the masses to use. NONE of the existing video cards that you can buy at Micro Center, Fry's or even Best Buys can support a 4K monitor and for that matter, none of these retailers sell a 4K monitor or TV.
I don't see the need to be worried about upgrading a GPU at this point. Had this been another incremental upgrade then I would absolutely agree with you on demanding to know what the upgrade path is for video cards.
But really, support for 3 simultaneous 4K monitors straight out of the box and you want to DOA it for an apparent lack of upgrade because you'll need a more powerful video card in the future? Do you forsee an 8K monitor? Are there video games that can generate 3D graphics at 4K right now?
LOL. Welcome to MacRumors, where the kool-aid flows like wine. Lots of kool-aid drinkers here.
Tim Cook could put a tissue box on stage with some fishing line and a parallel-ATA cable stuffed inside and there would be people on here claiming it was the best thing in the world because it has gnome dust sprinkled on it, and would argue that you don't know what you're talking about because it is clearly the combination of tissue box, fishing line, PATA cable, and gnome dust that makes it "insanely great".
This design shape doesn't make sense.
Smaller, great, but cylinder shape, makes no sense.
Apple needs to explain the benefits of this shape to me, for me. I have enough cords coming out of my tower to inhibit turning it around, no way you will be able to turn this smaller footprint around with attachments without holding it.
Smaller, great, but cylinder shape, makes no sense.
Apple needs to explain the benefits of this shape to me, for me. I have enough cords coming out of my tower to inhibit turning it around, no way you will be able to turn this smaller footprint around with attachments without holding it.
I wasn't bemoaning 4K displays - I was mocking the fact that the new Mac 'Pro' will be used primarily by high school kids cutting Youtube videos and there's no way they're going to need to run THREE 4K displays to cut iPhone video.
Black iCan?
It does seem that they should have just called it "Mac Mini Pro". That's nice that it will have fast processors and a workstation-class dual video card. However, with it's lack of internal expandability it is more like a "Mac Mini Pro" than a "Mac Pro".
With that said, you might as well get a Mac Mini unless the video card or 8+ CPU cores is really that important to you...after all with either machine you're going to need an external Hard Drive array for extra space.
I suspect that except for a very select group of professionals, a beefed up iMac would be sufficient and much more cost effective.
My main disappointment is that Apple still doesn't have any computers which are any good for gaming. Sure the iMac with the 680 card is nice, but ultimately it's still a laptop-class graphics processor.
It does seem that they should have just called it "Mac Mini Pro". That's nice that it will have fast processors and a workstation-class dual video card. However, with it's lack of internal expandability it is more like a "Mac Mini Pro" than a "Mac Pro".
With that said, you might as well get a Mac Mini unless the video card or 8+ CPU cores is really that important to you...after all with either machine you're going to need an external Hard Drive array for extra space.
I suspect that except for a very select group of professionals, a beefed up iMac would be sufficient and much more cost effective.
My main disappointment is that Apple still doesn't have any computers which are any good for gaming. Sure the iMac with the 680 card is nice, but ultimately it's still a laptop-class graphics processor.
Yeah. BluRay is stuck in the past. You do realize some people have giant screens and audio systems at home and don't watch things exclusively on a laptop or a iPad? You're probably the same clown that thinks he needs UHD for a 15" retina display.
OMG dude, could you write anything whinier? You weren't in the market for one anyway, just want to bitch and complain about a computer you don't understand or doesn't fit "your" view of what a Professional computer may be. It's not traditional, no. It's not internally expandable, no. It's NOT a PC that has a huge case that you stuff 8 hard drives into.
Believe it or not, there are professionals out there who just need a powerful computer that doesn't take up a ton of room, that doesn't sound like a jet engine taking off when you turn it on, and doesn't need 10 expansion bays. This particular computer isn't for me to be honest, but guess what, so be it.
No innovation there. They already did this with the Mac G4 Cube and we know how well that went.
All they have done here is go backwards. They looked at the G4 Cube and said, "Let's Make it Round and be Innovative".
And there you have it. Instant Mac Pro.
Yes, people have BluRay, and giant screens with enormous home theater systems at home (myself included). It does provide the best picture and sound. Still not a reason to have it built-into a computer when I connect one to it whenever I want (or throw everything, including the hard drive array, blu ray burners, etc. into a closet and connected it via 1 simple little cable).
You seem bitter. Relax a little, it's a computer that you weren't even in the market for to begin with.
This design shape doesn't make sense.
Smaller, great, but cylinder shape, makes no sense.
Apple needs to explain the benefits of this shape to me, for me. I have enough cords coming out of my tower to inhibit turning it around, no way you will be able to turn this smaller footprint around with attachments without holding it.
Smaller, great, but cylinder shape, makes no sense.
Apple needs to explain the benefits of this shape to me, for me. I have enough cords coming out of my tower to inhibit turning it around, no way you will be able to turn this smaller footprint around with attachments without holding it.
Listen up, all good folks and trolls alike:
The new Mac Pro *IS FACT*. The new Mac Pro is GOING to be sold. No amount of complaining about its' shape, size or colour is going to un-create it - it's been done, that's that, and it's hitting shelves soon. Here are the following options, that even dullard simpletons can grasp:
1/ Like it and buy one
2/ Dislike it and don't buy one
Apple won't be "offended" if you dislike their design - they, and MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY more people that like it and will buy it, offset the irrelevant percentage of the earth's computer using population who don't. Do not delusionally ego-trip yourselves into assuming the spotlight is on you, and that the world's audience is simply hanging on every word that you utter in relation to every product designed or sold - it isn't.
Noone really cares what you do with YOUR money. Buy one, don't buy one, you decide and do it silently please, as your purchase decisions aren't quite thrilling enough to warrant reading about.
Now, when you've done making pathetic dustbin JPEGs and stupid whiney comments, there's a life to get on with - may I kindly advise getting on with it, in relative silence, remembering we don't need to know ALL about it?
Remember - the earth existed before you, and will exist after you have passed away. Life does not pivot around you, and doesn't begin or end on your say so... just so you've re-capped on that, lest you forget.
Thank you - have a lovely day
The new Mac Pro *IS FACT*. The new Mac Pro is GOING to be sold. No amount of complaining about its' shape, size or colour is going to un-create it - it's been done, that's that, and it's hitting shelves soon. Here are the following options, that even dullard simpletons can grasp:
1/ Like it and buy one
2/ Dislike it and don't buy one
Apple won't be "offended" if you dislike their design - they, and MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY more people that like it and will buy it, offset the irrelevant percentage of the earth's computer using population who don't. Do not delusionally ego-trip yourselves into assuming the spotlight is on you, and that the world's audience is simply hanging on every word that you utter in relation to every product designed or sold - it isn't.
Noone really cares what you do with YOUR money. Buy one, don't buy one, you decide and do it silently please, as your purchase decisions aren't quite thrilling enough to warrant reading about.
Now, when you've done making pathetic dustbin JPEGs and stupid whiney comments, there's a life to get on with - may I kindly advise getting on with it, in relative silence, remembering we don't need to know ALL about it?
Remember - the earth existed before you, and will exist after you have passed away. Life does not pivot around you, and doesn't begin or end on your say so... just so you've re-capped on that, lest you forget.
Thank you - have a lovely day
About the FLASH, Apple now has "fusion". These will be used as Fusion Drives and they are backed by whatever disk array you might happen to plug-in
They will HAVE to offer a 4K display. Apple has never in the past required you to go out and buy a 3rd party monitor. But today they only have the 27" monitor. Using three of those would be fun, expensive too.
Do you really need a Mac Pro for audio at this point? It seems a high end iMac would be good enough, especially if most storage will be external anyways. Reality shows depicting recording studios often show iMacs right next to the mixers already.
