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Wait till you absolutely need to get or place a call... in an area where the coverage only gives you -113 dBm.

Worth it to me? Absolutely.

I suppose. Of course you'll have to put it on the table and use speakerphone in that situation. I haven't found anyplace where i could not make a call on my 3gs's where i can make a call on my 4's - I have found the reverse, however (my house, for one). I'm sure my experience isn't the same as everyone's. I'm also sure that in the real world the difference may not be as big as it is in controlled laboratory settings.
 
just learn how to hold it

Great point!

Wait...no it's not:


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I acknowledge that I can't take photos with my hand, OR EVEN A SINGLE FINGER, near the upper left back of my iPhone (landscape). But I'll just go around that, BY MOVING MY #^&%$ FINGER!"
:p
But a design flaw camera analogous to the antenna design flaw would be a camera where the lenses was right where you had to press to take the picture or some such else.

Having the lens where it can easily be avoided is good design, having an antenna where it can't be and normally hold the phone is a bad design.

See the difference? :p
 
No, my statement is true regardless. There is ALWAYS an antenna detuning. Often it's not enough to affect call quality. It always affects data speed, though not always enough to matter to the user. That's why it's called a "trade off." As I said, the tradeoff is not worth it to me (because I lose calls). It may be worth it to everyone else.

True. There is always antenna detuning in all cell phones. The external antenna made Apple vulnerable to the hysteria surrounding the iPhone 4, but did not make the phone itself deficient. Out of sight, out of mind. With the antenna exposed people began to look at it as a problem. Whether or not it is becomes debatable when so many people do not have problems with their iphones. I do appreciate that you allow people to decide whether the trade off is good for them.
 
Apple has these options.

1) FIX THE DAMN THING
2) TAKE IT BACK AND PAY COMPENSATION FOR CAUSING STRESS TO PEOPLE AND MISLEADING
3) STEVE APOLOGIZES AND TAKES BACK HIS WORDS THAT HE MADE ON ANNOUNCEMENT '"BEAUTIFUL, MAGICAL, CRAP CRAP CRAP"
4) RECALL ALL IPHONE 4s

Welcome to the internet. Typing in caps means you are yelling. Thanks. :rolleyes:
 
I still don't understand how others don't think this is a hardware issue. If you "Physically" touch an area of the phone, and the signal decreases to "Searching" and the call is dropped, then commons sense would tell you that it is a physical hardware issue. Apple HAS admitted this already by Steve Jobs stating "Don't touch it there".

If I physically touch the upper left back of my iPhone (in landscape), the photo picture quality decreases to "Pink Splotch". It's a physical hardware issue. Common sense tells me that.

And it never ever happened with my 35mm SLR when holding it firmly by the left side.

I haven't emailed Steve about this... but I can guess what the possible replies might be.
 
what a CROCK !!!

I really think this is a lot of BS

:apple: says: Ok...here we are sending you a software fix....LOL...we are making the bars taller, but if that doesnt work we will send you another software fix....

Dear :apple: ...I think the problem is with ATT <duh>... I cant wait to have another carrier ie Verizon take over the IPhone

I had great coverage in my home , 4 months ago it dropped from 4-5 bars to 0-1...called ATT and was told it was probably my Iphone, got it exchanged, and same thing...we have 5 cellphones in my home and all were the same way....

So ATT's fix: Please wait 4-5 months, then buy a Microcell, install it at home and you'll get your 5 bars back ...so $160 later :mad:and 4 months later I have 5 bars and I am paying for something I shouldn't be... (it works great though!!!)
 
Posts like this drive me crazy. You're drawing a conclusion based on partial data. That doesn't mean you're wrong but neither can you say you are absolutely correct.

None of the so called 'tests' done so far are anywhere near conclusive. There simply has not been time to design and execute a full engineering study of this issue.

Sure, it appears that some users are experiencing signal attenuation by contacting the antenna with their skin and this is a 'hardware' issue. That in no way precludes the possibility of software fix. The way in which the baseband code deals with this attenuation can be tweaked (it was moving from OS 3.1.3 to OS4).


No offense, but you are exactly the type of person I am referring to, absolutely no commons sense. If there is a large majority of people who feel that Apple's press release is a cover-up and lie for their HARDWARE phone design mistake, then common sense would tell you, it's probable that people can see through the smoke to know the truth. My guess is that you buy all those gimmicks on infomercials as well, right? I don't mean to offend you, but wake up and smell the coffee.
 
I acknowledge that I can't take photos with my hand, OR EVEN A SINGLE FINGER, near the upper left back of my iPhone (landscape). But I'll just go around that, BY MOVING MY #^&%$ FINGER!"

:p

No one expects to be able to take a photo with his hand in front of the lens.

Everyone expects to be able to make a call while holding the phone in the position that comes naturally.

If GM made a car where the steering wheel was located on the floor, yeah, you could say that everyone should learn to steer with their toes. Or you can say that it's a design failure, because any good device should adapt to the user, not vice versa.

A better example might be a car that can't exceed 5MPH unless you keep your left foot in the air. But that's not as much fun as talking about toe steering.
 
I still don't understand how others don't think this is a hardware issue. If you "Physically" touch an area of the phone, and the signal decreases to "Searching" and the call is dropped, then commons sense would tell you that it is a physical hardware issue. Apple HAS admitted this already by Steve Jobs stating "Don't touch it there". It's even the joke on the late night shows that commons sense tells everyone, "It's the outside material of the phone that is the problem". Oh, well. Some people are raised to have no common sense, it's like a plague on our country right now.


It's just a Software Bug, People aware of "BIOS" updates to correct hardware Problems on a PC, Same thing here folks.

Apple Built the iPhone completely Programmable "UNDERSTAND THIS", This means that ANY part of the "HARDWARE" can be Corrected by a "SOFTWARE UPDATE".. Just like a Computer Bios Update, Since Apple has designed the iPhone themselves they have complete Hardware Software integration.

Apple uses Software Based Hardware Programing, And yes a "SOFTWARE UPDATE" can fix a "HARDWARE Anomaly" If it is as Bad as "People are Saying".
 
But a design flaw camera analogous to the antenna design flaw would be a camera where the lenses was right where you had to press to take the picture or some such else.

Having the lens where it can easily be avoided is good design, having an antenna where it can't be and normally hold the phone is a bad design.

See the difference? :p

No because the way you hold your phone is personal preference, there is no standard way to hold it, theres only the way you hold it. If the way YOU hold it blocks the antenna then maybe you should get a phone that has a different antenna position, instead of picking up the E-Cross and fighting a E-Crusade against Apple.
 
I believe it is a att signal issue and apple software issue but mostly att issue if you are in a good service area when griping the phone you should only lose a little signal strength. Att can say your area has good 3g service but I don't believe it because att had to change there name from att most 3g reliable network to the fastest network because Verizon took them to court thats is why Verizon name is the most 3g reliable network. The only fault apple has is there software issue is not showing the true signal strength. But only question I have is why isn't the iPhone 4 not switching to edge when losing signal. I haven't owen a iPhone for years but I am a apple fan for years I went to Verizon because of signal issues because of att I am happy with Verizon but hope one day the iPhone will come to Verizon so I can drop my Droid.
 
It's just a Software Bug, People aware of "BIOS" updates to correct hardware Problems on a PC, Same thing here folks.

Apple Built the iPhone completely Programmable "UNDERSTAND THIS", This means that ANY part of the "HARDWARE" can be Corrected by a "SOFTWARE UPDATE".. Just like a Computer Bios Update, Since Apple has designed the iPhone themselves they have complete Hardware Software integration.

Apple uses Software Based Hardware Programing, And yes a "SOFTWARE UPDATE" can fix a "HARDWARE Anomaly" If it is as Bad as "People are Saying".

ANY part of the hardware? Why can't they fix cracked screens through a software update?
 
So what did Apple do, promise him free iPhones for the rest of his life?

Sorry, but the antenna issue IS a mountain and NOT a molehill.

Just ask the 100,000's of ppl affected.

Nope. Gave him one of their antennae engineer wanted jobs.
 
Even I, the most ardent of Apple customers, refuses to buy such rubbish.

My iPhone 3G has always had two or three bars on GPRS and could drop calls from time to time.

My wife is also on O2 and uses a Samsung "dumbphone" and also gets two/three bars of signal that drops.

My iPhone 4 has the same signal at home as my iPhone 3G did.

Basically Apple are now saying that my two or three bars was "really" only zero or one bar?

So what about that full strength 3G five bar signal I get in the City Centre that no matter where and how hard I hold the phone, I cannot get the signal to drop one bar?

Utter nonsense.
 
Bs

It's just a Software Bug, People aware of "BIOS" updates to correct hardware Problems on a PC, Same thing here folks.

Apple Built the iPhone completely Programmable "UNDERSTAND THIS", This means that ANY part of the "HARDWARE" can be Corrected by a "SOFTWARE UPDATE".. Just like a Computer Bios Update, Since Apple has designed the iPhone themselves they have complete Hardware Software integration.

Apple uses Software Based Hardware Programing, And yes a "SOFTWARE UPDATE" can fix a "HARDWARE Anomaly" If it is as Bad as "People are Saying".


Yeah, software fix they did three years ago to improve the signal. It worked didn't it? No, it was a fake software fix that gave you illusion of a fix, which they admitted today! Of course they can make the signal look better or worse with Software fixes, whatever.
 
I JUST got off the phone with an Apple service rep for an unrelated iphone issue. When he asked "Is there anything else I canhelp you with?" I commented about the signal drop issue. He said to me, "You didn't hear it from me but 'cough cough' a little nail polish fixed it for me 'cough cough', got it?" ...

I'm going to try the nail polish thing as soon as I get a chance...
 
It's just a Software Bug, People aware of "BIOS" updates to correct hardware Problems on a PC, Same thing here folks.

Apple Built the iPhone completely Programmable "UNDERSTAND THIS", This means that ANY part of the "HARDWARE" can be Corrected by a "SOFTWARE UPDATE".. Just like a Computer Bios Update, Since Apple has designed the iPhone themselves they have complete Hardware Software integration.

Apple uses Software Based Hardware Programing, And yes a "SOFTWARE UPDATE" can fix a "HARDWARE Anomaly" If it is as Bad as "People are Saying".

Actually, no. No software fix can prevent the detuning that occurs when someone touches the external antenna (the severity of which depends on where the touch occurs, and how ohmic the contact is). Now, software may prevent the issue from appearing unduly extreme, or may allow the phone to take action to cope (such as switching cells, boosting power, etc). But no amount of software can overcome the physics. Just like updating my macbook's OS can't double the screen resolution or add a bluray drive.
 
If I physically touch the upper left back of my iPhone (in landscape), the photo picture quality decreases to "Pink Splotch". It's a physical hardware issue. Common sense tells me that.

And it never ever happened with my 35mm SLR when holding it firmly by the left side.

I haven't emailed Steve about this... but I can guess what the possible replies might be.

Turns iPhone 4 to landscape.

Activates camera app.

Holds iPhone 4 by upper left back.

Oh look, my finger is in front of the lens ...

That would be the "pink splotch", no?
 
This is complete bull**** I have 3 iPhone 4 and two of them suffer problems and the otherone dosent so it can't be signal issues. Is hardware issues. Wtf

Helllllooo!!! Comments like the one above, should be the highest rated, and people like juan370Z and the Engadget team who also have some phones with no issue, and phones with the issue, should do some more thorough testing.

If some phone in fact does not have this problem, then it is not a construction error, but a production error on some of the phones. Only people who has more than one iPhone 4, where one has reception issues and one does not should be allowed to talk on this issue, the rest is just noise!

If it in fact should turn out to be a construction error, then I made this hardware upgrade suggestion to Apple:



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Kim Neeper Rasmussen

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